1hbh help pls

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  1. KHSOLO

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    I have had a 1hbh for years

    I hit pretty flat and with lots of pace but of late i have been hitting the top white bar of the net very often, like i cant generate enough spin to cross the net and land in the court

    I tried hitting harder but what happens is that the ball hits the net harder or bounces a tad off the baseline

    I use a blx 95 20x18 with prince gut duraflex at 60 pounds and usually break strings every 2 months

    I play twice a week

    I need advice on whether to decrease the amount of string tension or to get a more spinnier raquet like the blx 95 18x16

    Pls any advice is appreciated

    Ty in advance
     
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  2. johndagolfer

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    I had the same problem after I switched over to a 1HB. Two things really helped me hit a ton more topspin and maintain a higher margin of error

    1) For waist high balls be sure you have dropped the racquet enough. I know it feels comfortable to not drop the racquet or it might feel that you are, but after seeing myself on video I wasn't dropping the racquet head nearly far enough below the ball. On top of that be sure you're not coming across the ball too much.

    2) Even with an eastern grip my racquet face would sometimes open up on me. Seeing how you are hitting the top of the net I would think that the problem is more #1. Just be sure that your racquet face is staying square or slightly tilted down and come from below the ball.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  3. aimr75

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    its got nothing to do with your equipment

    visualise your racquet coming underneath the ball in the forward swing. You will generate alot more spin getting more low to high. Just think underneath the ball as you swing
     
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  4. GetBetterer

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    18 x 20 absorbs a lot of energy, so you can't get much power off of that, but it does have potential for creating a lot of spin.

    An 16 x 18 racket would absorb less energy giving the ball more bounce-back potential with less spin potential.

    I would recommend about 57 lbs, or 55 lbs (you might not like 55 though) with the 16 x 18 but 57 lbs with the 18 x 20 might work just fine.
     
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  5. thebuffman

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    GB you sure about that? I was always under the impression that 16x18 pattern promotes more spin than an 18x20. the less strings the more spin. :confused:
     
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  6. aimr75

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    ^ its a moot point, you can generate spin with both patterns, technique is the issue
     
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  7. thebuffman

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    i really recommend checking out this site. it is always good to revisit certain fundamentals from time to time and this guy does an excellent job training the 1hbh especially the aspect of top.
     
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  8. KHSOLO

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    BTW i use a semi western grip
     
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  9. KHSOLO

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    The link doesnt show :(
     
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  10. Zachol82

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    It MAY not have anything to do with your equipment but what kind of strings do you use, what tension and how long have they been on your racquet for?

    Anyhow the BEST way for us to help you is by uploading a video of you hitting a bunch of backhands from the back and side-view.

    For now, I would recommend you to just make sure you swing through your shots. Try to aim it LONG if possible and just avoid hitting the net for now. Once you know how much it takes to get it past the net, then you can fine tune it and have it land inside the court.
     
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  11. GetBetterer

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    aimr75:
    Granted it's the same person (i.e. same muscle) and same technique (basically all non-equipment factors taken out) it should generate more pop from the 16 x 18 racket.

    thebuffman:
    I do believe it's more strings, more spin. The more thrust that is given to the ball generates more spin.

    KHSOLO:
    How tall are you? If you're short then stick with the Semi-Western grip for your backhand, otherwise go with the Eastern Backhand.

    Zachol82:
    Take this advice into consideration. I'm assuming you're actually trying to play tennis instead of just hitting a ball over a net.
     
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  12. thebuffman

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    dense string pattern - definition: A racquet with a dense string pattern is designed to keep the strings close together, which results in more strings contacting the ball. With the ball's impact distributed among more strings, each string compresses less and thus rebounds less. This results in less power and more control. It also creates less spin, because each string bites into the ball less.

    open string pattern - definition: A racquet with an open string pattern is designed to keep the strings relatively far apart, which results in fewer strings contacting the ball. With the ball's impact distributed among fewer strings, each string compresses more and thus rebounds more. This results in modestly increased power and decreased control, although the slightly greater spin created by having each string bite into the ball harder can offer an alternate means of control.
     
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  13. thebuffman

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    tennis
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    not sure why the direct link is banned
    this might be your problem my friend. you are generating TOO MUCH spin and not enough pace. switch to an eastern backhand grip instead.

    ps. however if by "semi western" you mean a grip slightly western from continental (EBH) then disregard my comment.
    pss. here is another great video on the 1hbh
     
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  14. KHSOLO

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    Almost 6 feet
     
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  15. KHSOLO

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    Good assumption, cheers !
     
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  16. 10s talk

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    start your backswing lower to get a higher trajectory
     
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  17. Dreamer

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    95 sq is a difficult racquet in my honest opinion.

    However, to me this sounds more of a mechanical problem. I don't care how flat your balls are, you shouldn't be consistently flying that close to the net. Hitting harder might actually make you grip harder and make your shot even flatter. What you want is to actually loosen your wrist and impart more top spin.

    Power comes from from the shoulders and legs. If you allow your wrist to rotate a brushing motion there's no reason you don't clear the net with a wooden racquet.
     
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  18. Jeffy005

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    Semi western for 1hbh? wow...
     
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    If most of your playing time is dedicated to playing matches, ask your hitting partner if you can spend an hour or two just hitting one day. All you're strokes, especially your back hand will imrpove significantly faster that way.
     
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  20. KHSOLO

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    Pls explain whats so wow about it?
     
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  21. Jeffy005

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    well its just that i can't do semi western..... good job man... i've been using eastern 1hbh for years....
     
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  22. Necroblood

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    the 18x20 is a dream for the one handed backhand! Maybe if your looking for more spin, go towards the low 50's in tension and get a thinner guage string. For me its big banger ace 18g at 52 and I get as much spin as I need.

    But like people said before I think this is a mechanical issue. If your looking for extra added spin potential you can drive through the ball while at the same time having a clockwise wrist flick at the finish (similar to gasquet and Henin). This will give you a nice bit of topspin on the ball.
     
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  23. thebuffman

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    "wow" because a semi western backhand will naturally produce a lot more spin on the ball whereas a continental grip will produce a flatter hit. most people execute the 1hbh with a eastern grip for the best of both worlds. if your ball is diving early into the net's tape, it is possible that you are producing too much spin as a product of your grip. you might want to try changing your grip to an eastern while maintaining the same stroke OR you might maintain the same grip and change your stroke by dropping the racquet below the ball a little more before making contact.
     
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  24. BevelDevil

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    OP claims he hits the ball flat, so this is contradicting the posters' diagnosis that he's hitting with too much topspin. Perhaps the OP is miscommunicating something. Perhaps it is his grip, or his definition of "flat".

    OP: Grip terminology is not standardized for the 1hbh. What bevel is your index knuckle over? (Bevel 1 is top, bevel 8 is the one behind it, bevel 2 is the one in front of it. Bevel 0.5 is the edge between 8 and 1, etc.)
     
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  25. KHSOLO

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    True, the trayectory of the ball looks very flat but maybe it has a lot of spin, i dont have any videos so i cant really tell

    Trayectory of the ball and rotation of the ball are different things i believe

    Pls feel free to correct me
     
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  26. darthpwner

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    Stick with your semi western grip. It allows you to swing harder and still keep it in than an eastern grip.
     
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  27. Manus Domini

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    bend your legs to get under the ball, hit out in front, go across/through/and up, keep racket head leading. I would say go to EBH though, at least for the moment, as it's easier to work with.
     
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  28. BevelDevil

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    "semi-western" terminology is all messed up for the backhand side.

    Try moving your index knuckle to the edge between bevels 1 and 8. This is the Henin grip, which has been referred to as both the "Extreme Eastern" and the "Semi-Western."

    In other words, the SW backhand is different from the SW forehand.



    try experimenting with changing the contact point, either further in front, or closer to the body.
     
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  29. KHSOLO

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    Ill try that

    When i hit the ball high (shoulder high) i have no problem but i need to get fast and quickly to the ball, usually im slow so i usually hit the ball lower and thats when i hit the net

    Ill try the grip change, seems like my best chance

    Cheers
     
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  30. subz

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    For me three things are important to hit a good 1HBH :

    1. Step towards the ball so u can transfer your weight. Some people when they are approching the ball, the keep on moving sideways, this will result in a an error or a low powered shot or side spin on the ball. 1HBH would require you to be faster so that u reach the ball line and can step forward for weight transfer.

    2. I try to copy Federer, which means that at the extreme point of my back swing my raquet is parallel to the baseline. Watch Federer's backhand to see this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RORTYH588cE

    3. Wrist movement and racquet drop to put spin on the ball.

    I hope this helps you. If you feel that you are hitting low , well u can always aim higher and try to put more spin !
     
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  31. KHSOLO

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    As a follow up i changed my string tension from 60 lb to 59 lb and made a world of a difference

    Had to adjust my forehand a bit but i feel a lot more confident with the bh and the balls and passing consistently over the net again :)

    Ty all for the tips, Cheers !
     
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  32. aimr75

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    1 pound seriously? Don't know that anyone could tell that much difference in tension or have such a drastic effect with one pound... Must have been something else you were doing also
     
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  33. LeeD

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    I'm a johnny come lately, didn't read the previous replies.
    TURN YOUR FRICKEN SHOULDERS MORE CLOSED!
     
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  34. KHSOLO

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    I was wondering the same thing, placebo effect maybe?
     
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  35. LeeD

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    Sure, you can tighten strings 3, go for a less powerful racket, swing more softly, aim lower and keep your posture, roll over supination on your followthru, but what you really need is to close your shoulders more, to give the above ALL effect in your topspin 1hbh.
     
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  36. KHSOLO

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    You mean close your shoulder to your body?

    Pls explain and ty in advance
     
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  37. LeeD

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    Try to point right shoulder blade at your target, if you're right handed in tennis.
    Notice for a given lineup (prep position), the more CC you hit, the lower your ball and the more topspin. That's the effect of a CLOSED shoulder. When you go DTL, your shots tend to sit up higher, go longer, because your shoulders are not closed enough.
     
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  38. KHSOLO

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    Finally fixed the issue

    Had everything to do with not bending and extending my right knee enough and hiting without much support and not much about anything else

    Cheers !
     
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    ^^this^^^^
     
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  41. Bobby Jr

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    KHSOLO - one great GREAT tip for hitting killer 1HBH is to practice the 'throw'.. by this I mean the jerk-off motion of the forearm. (no joke intended.. just easiest to explain that way).

    Try practising that but keeping the whole upper arm still - just rotating around the shoulder joint. This was the 1HBH tip given by the Tony Roche (Lendl's coach at the time) at a clinic when I was a teen and it is one of the best tips for getting a good feel for a 1HBH - especially for returns where you often need a short backswing.. (e.g. Sampras and Federer's punch returns).

    One reason for it is too many people try to hit their 1HBH straight-through the ball but if you look at Sampras', Federer's etc they still hit up quite markedly.

    (ignore the captions but look at the racquet path from #4 to #5...)

    [​IMG]
     
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  42. NLBwell

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    That's pretty hard to use unless the balls coming at your are chest to shoulder-high balls and you are hitting hitting high loopy balls with topspin - which doesn't sound like the case. Check out the fundamentals on your stroke and think about whether you should change your grip.
     
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