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  1. LakeSnake

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  2. LeeD

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    If you're the guy with the cool long hair, you're much too athletic and coordinated to play with that old fart on the other side.
    If you got a decent hitting partner, you will improve my leaps and bounds.
     
  3. mawashi

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    LakeSnake you already have pretty decent basics.

    The few things that I can see you need some work are:

    1. Footwork (needs more knee bend) and split step.
    2. More follow through, most of your swings end too soon.
    3. Learn to shift your weight into the shot, right now you are just using your arms to hit the ball.

    Check out fuzzyyellowballs.com for some great tips.
     
  4. mightyrick

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    At this level of progression, it all looks good to me. This kind of rallying is great for developing your strokes and you will get better and better.

    I disagree with Lee. I actually like the old guy on the other side. He is just an easy-hitting wall. That is exactly what you need.

    The only real criticism I have is to stop letting the short-balls bounce twice or three times when practicing. You need to get the feel for having to come forward to take a ball. You took everything else on first bounce and even ran back to take deep balls. Great job.

    Stop cheating on the short ones. Move your feet, run up there and get them. You're clearly fit enough to do it.
     
  5. LeeD

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    You become the level with your competition.
    There is no good to be had for me, a 4.0 now, but much better in the past, to hit with 3.5's.
     
  6. spun_out

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    I think this is a good example of why learning tennis is so difficult. A child learning to hit or throw a baseball will try to do it as hard as possible. Even an adult learning to hit a baseball for a first time will swing a bat with a swing speed relative to their athletic ability. But somehow, when a person is given a racquet to swing, everything becomes measured.

    The bottom line is you can swing harder. Swing is probably the wrong word. Perhaps try to throw the racquet as you might do if you are trying to skip a stone across water. Getting racquet head speed is easy. What is hard is connecting with a ball and keeping it in with good racquet speed. I think that many do injustice by starting to learn tennis with a focus on hitting the ball in. This, I think, is why we see so many hitchy strokes. I would suggest that you do the opposite: start by learning to swing the racquet fast (see lockandrolltennis and do shadow swings). Once you get the feel of swinging hard, try drop feeds (sometimes with left arm holding the right arm at the upper elbow a la Coach Kryil's video). Then play the guy you are hitting with in a match. You can dink the serves in if you want or better yet, you can use your topspin forehands as serves. He will probably show you the nuances of tennis, the dinks and the slices, that make it difficult for you to swing as hard as you want, but try not to compromise too much.

    I think that if you do this (and if leed's assessment of your athletic ability and coordination is correct), you should get to 3.5 level hitting (not match play) before too long.
     
  7. LeeD

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    When I first started, my bud and I would hit around 80 %, anything not hitting the fence on a fly was fine. We could sometimes return each other's misses.
    Gotta find the limit first, in a non injury risk free sport.
     
  8. loosegroove

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    I AM the old fart!:oops:


















    Just kidding, I'm not even the OP.
     
  9. Topspin Shot

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    Your strokes are stunted and need a lot of work if you want to hit quality balls and set up points. That being said, this is one of the most impressive beginner hitting videos I've ever seen. You have the gift of racket control, which is one of the most important aspects toward becoming a good player. I see players who have high level-looking strokes but can't control the racket all the time. But I almost never see someone like you who hasn't learned the reference points but controls the racket well enough to keep the ball in play consistently without pushing underneath the ball (which doesn't count). If you want to progress, my recommendation is to find a coach (big qualification: has he coached college or open level players?) who can teach you how to maximize your body's potential to hit a good ball.
     
  10. Cheetah

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    OP,
    very nice for 2.5. You make very good contact and are using your body to hit the ball. That's going to serve you well as you progress.
    Just keep doing what you're doing. I think you'll have a nice strokes some day.
     
  11. LakeSnake

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    Thanks for the help!

    LeeD: He was the only person willing to play with me! Plus I have a weird schedule, mornings 9-11 are my best time. I did find someone my own age, just have to convince him to play this "rising 2.5" :)

    mawashi: Thanks, I will definitely try to adjust those.

    mightyrick: I know what you mean, I only do that because my coach has emphasized to let them double bounce (to improve the rhythm of the rally). But it does impair my ability to get those short balls, so I think I will sometimes ignore her and do as you say!

    spunout: That's right, I was swinging very softly. I had just watched the Feeltennis video on minimum effort tennis and done the drill before hitting. I guess I'm going with the philosophy of starting slow and then ramping it up. I have played around with the Lock n Roll and Tennis Oxygen ideas and that laggy stuff is awesome!

    http://www.feeltennis.net/effortless-tennis-strokes/

    loosegroove: you had me for a second!

    Topspin shot: thanks for the kind words, but I have been playing since last July, so not really a beginner, just someone who sucks :) I only get to practice 2X a week, so my progress is slow, and only found the "old fart" practice partner in January, so before that was wallball and a machine. Just judging the ball and getting in position has been a big deal for me, but I never played baseball or even golf for that matter. I do have a coach who has slowly been trying to transition me into a SW grip, "modern" swing and a 2H backhand.

    Cheetah: thanks, I read your posts here and look forward to learning more.
     
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    Dude, he's a 2.5. He's brand new. Do you even need to tell him this?

    It's like telling an 8th grade math student, "Your solving of equations is remedial at best and needs a lot of work if you want to solve differential calculus problems."

    Really?
     
  13. LeeD

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    Morning weekday tennis seems dominated by old farts and gals, yes. Not much you can do about it.
    Weekend morning, after around 10, you get younger, better players, but those might be too good to want to hit with you.
    OP, you have the athletics to get pretty darn good. Give it a go.
     
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    I like the video. Recommend you get the guy to soft toss you a cart of balls and take technically sound, strong swings. Hit the ball out in front and follow through fully.
     
  15. Topspin Shot

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    Come on, the first sentence wasn't the point of my post. 90% of my post was complimenting him on his racket coordination.
     
  16. LakeSnake

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    tennisocd: ha, this is a guy who thinks hitting to corners is part of a gentle rally :) actually, maybe if I feed for him he'll do the same, thanks for the idea.

    topspin and mightyrick: I certainly took no offense and am glad topspin gave his thoughts. My strokes look stunted to me, too! I am working on them for sure.
     
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    Your coordination is pretty hella good for a 2.5 player. Don't be afraid to go for your shots more though
     
  19. spun_out

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    You still need to swing faster. Your arm seems too tight, like you are making sure that your wrist doesn't break (bend) on the follow through. You shouldn't really have control of your arm after contact point (the swing path will dictate your follow through). Maybe you can try to hit drop fed ball from the baseline into the opposing fence on a line drive.
     
  20. LakeSnake

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    maximagq: thanks for taking a look! Well, that's kind of like being the tallest midget, but that's okay :)

    spunout: I do concentrate on keeping that laid back wrist at least until near contact (only been doing that for about 4 months) so it might be contributing to that. My arm certainly does look tight and I'm wondering if my backswing is too small in radius. I was certainly swinging as hard as I thought I could and have a reasonable chance of getting them in.
     
  21. spun_out

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    I would separate practice from matches. In practice (especially when you are hand feeding), I would just let loose. Get the swing speed up even if the shots go out. And while doing hand feeds, I would not focus on keeping the laid back wrist until contact. It might be helpful to feel that you got into the laid back wrist position, but once you pull to contact, don't worry about the wrist. Maybe you can visualize smacking the ball with the meaty part of the thumb base (you may have to adjust the visualization focus based on your grip). Also, I wouldn't worry about the backswing now.

    Try googling Kyril forehand drill and see what he does.
     
  22. LakeSnake

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    Thank you, I did watch some of his forehand videos today.
     

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