2-Players, 1-racquet between them

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  1. luvn10is

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    I saw the oddest thing yesterday. I was at the courts playing USTA and some 4.0 guys were on a back court playing a flex league doubles match.

    They were deep in the second set when one of the guys popped the strings on his demo racquet. Apparently, he'd walked out of his house thinking his old sticks were in his car. Just his luck, his partner had busted the strings on his spare racquet the day before so the guy asked the opponents if they had a racquet he could use. They laughed and said, 'Uh, no!'. But there was no quit in this these guys. They still had 1 racquet between them so they improvised, exchanging the racquet after taking their turn at serve and playing 1 against 2. While one guy would play singles, the other stood out of the way (sometimes on the court, others on the sidelines) coaching and cheering his partner on.

    They put up a valiant fight but got waxed anyway. Still, it was the darndest thing I've seen in a while and they are both warriors in my book. So, in the same situation, what would you have done?
     
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  2. arche3

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    The opponents were lame for not letting them borrow a racket.
     
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  3. luvn10is

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    Agreed! If we'd known we would've loaned them one but we had no idea what they were doing. One of my teammates asked why they didn't ask us. Between 6 teams there were almost 50 women out there playing. They said, technically, they couldn't leave the court to ask and being we were playing quarterfinal playoff matches, they weren't going to yell through the fence. One joked he was married to a 4.5 player and knew better than to pi$$ off a bunch of fiercely competitive women. But I agree the opponents were woosies for not loaning them a racquet.
     
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  4. JRstriker12

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    Players were lame for not bringing a back-up. Not the opponent's responsibility to supply equipment for the opposing team.

    I'll lend a racket to a friend who I know will take care of it and avoid abusing it, but if it's USTA, where I've seen a few people break a stick in frustration, those guys would be SOL.
     
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  5. Alchemy-Z

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    if I was the guy without the racquet I would have stayed in the net guys face the whole time blocking his view of my partners shots.
     
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    Playing a "competitive" match with a demo racket--he can't be serious--serves him right. If it's serious tennis you should always carry at least three identical rackets to a tournament. The other team, who wouldn't lend them a stick, sounds like they wanted to get to the beer keg quicker, good strategy.

    I've played for about 30 minutes with a racket that broke a string on several occasions--it can be done and amuses on lookers. You use a center court strategy, the ball trampolines more, just keep it down the middle, 3/4 deep. By the end the strings looked like a bowl of macaroni but I could still hit with it. I wouldn't recommend it for a grand slam final but for rec play sure.

    This one broad was so dumb, she never noticed during a 45 minute hit that my strings were broke--there were rumors she fell off her bike and hit her head when she was young but she was hot looking.

    I played a full set recently with a broke string and finally borrowed a wood racket a guy carried around to warm-up with.

    No, I've never seen a team share a racket, that's a first--I admire their resourcefulness
     
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    That's just... strange. Admire the no-quit attitude, but:

    1. Neither partner having brought a backup racquet = dumb.
    2. Opponents not lending them a racquet = bad sportsmanship.
    3. Not asking any of the other spectators / participants for a racquet = silly.
    4. Playing with only one racquet = hopeless.

    I would not even try sharing a racquet with a partner. Better would be to have the non-server or non-returner on each point use the racquet with the broken strings, and camp out at the net. You can still make volleys with a broken string.
     
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  8. goober

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    It was flex leauge- a lot of casual players.
     
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    flex league game and the other players don't want to finish it by lending them a racquet? LOL wow. Flex league tennis = serious bidness!!
     
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  10. JRstriker12

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    On #2 - Why?

    From my perspective:

    FWIW - I have three identical rackets.

    1) I don't have a lot of money to spend on rackets and strings. Some players buy new sticks every month or get a new set of rackets every year, but that's not something I can do. I have to make my three sticks last.

    2) If the opponents can't be trusted to bring their own sticks - how can I trust that they will pay for stringing / replace a broken racket if they break or abuse my rackets? It's not like they broke three sets of strings on all their back-ups, on an off night, they plain showed up unprepared.

    3) I've lent my rackets to people I trust or or in a fun-social situation, but flex league or not, it's a competitive situation. Seen some bad behavior in competition. Don't see why I need to extend the courtesy to someone who indicates that they are careless.
     
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  11. J_R_B

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    In the finals of our county torunament thisi year, one of the guys broke all three strings in the first 6 games of the first set, a guy with clear anger issues who had been yelling at himself from nearly the first point of the match. He turned to the other guy and told him he was out of racquets and had to default. His opponent immediately offered a racquet to use. This was the finals of one of the bigger tournaments in the area. It's just courtesy. People are generally much more careful with other people's stuff than their own.

    In the end, he refused to use the guy's racquet anyway, and the match ended very anti-climactically at 2-3 30-All.
     
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    I think it's poor sportmanship because you and your opponent I presume came to enjoy a game of tennis, not to get a win by default. Sometimes defaults are unavoidable - injury for example. But in this case, if you have a spare racquet, then the default can be avoided and a game of tennis played, were you to lend your opponent the spare. Sure, they should have brought a spare themselves, but that is not the decision before you.

    To address your specific concerns:

    1. This is somewhat valid, but really, how much do you think it's costing you to let an opponent play a set or two with one of your racquets?

    I'm like you in that I have 3 racquets, and I keep them for years. So I probably get 1,000 hours of tennis on each racquet (rough estimate). At $200 for the racquet, that's 20 cents per hour. I also get about 30 hours on a $20 string job, so that's another 66 cents per hour. All in all, we're looking at less than a dollar per hour in regular wear and tear. That seems like a reasonable price to pay for actually playing tennis versus taking a default and not getting to play.

    2. Not bringing spares = lack of planning, forgetfullness, whatever. Not reimbursing you if they damage your racquet (or at least offering to do so) = outright patheticness. Many players fall into the first category but very very few fall into the second in my experience. Have you actually had this happen to you? Perhaps you've had a bad experience and are influenced by that?

    3. Did you come to play, or get a win by default? If you came to play, then see answer for 2. If you came to get a win no matter how and don't care about playing, then sure, that's valid.
     
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  13. sureshs

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    I just don't like others touching my frames.
     
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    If it's casual, I let my friends "demo" my racquets all the time, since I'm always trying different strings/combos (I string my own). If its a league match... no way. They's the enemy. Borrow a stick from one of your team-mates. In a tourney... no. If you didn't come prepared, sucks to be you.

    I was in a tourney, and two young girls were warming up next to us vs two older women. The youngsters were knocking the ball hard during warm-ups, they were both 5'0", about 90 lbs, dressed to match in cute little outfits... I think the older women were a bit intimidated. First point we hear a string pop and its one of the little girls. Her partner doesn't have another racquet, and the ladies won't lend them one of theirs. The girl ends up borrowing a racquet from the tournament director... and they go on to crush the ladies. Moral of the story... don't play against cute little girls with matching outfits who knock the fuzz off the ball! Unless you like that sort of thing.
     
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  15. ChipNCharge

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    Want others to keep their hands off your stick?
     
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  16. smoothtennis

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    A BIG AGREE HERE. Lame.

    Me? I would have planned to post the guy with the broken strings right on the net in an I formation, and played singles from the back and switched rackets with him when he was serving and be the net guy with the broken strings. That would give you a chance.
     
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  17. OrangePower

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    See, I don't get that thinking. Not a criticism of you, since others feel the same way as you also. But I just don't get it. We are all rec players. We play to have fun and get excercise. Getting a win without actually playing just seems completely pointless.

    Let's take an extreme example: You're in a tourney (USTA NTRP - no prize money). Let's say 16 entries / 4 rounds. By some cosmic coincidence, each opponent you are supposed to face ends up defaulting. You win the tourney with 4 defaults. Would you consider this a good / desirable result?
     
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  18. sureshs

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    Yeah...................

    I also don't like anyone asking to drive my car.

    I know that not lending a frame sounds anti-social, but then nothing bad can happen because of it. It is not like a guy is dying of thirst and you won't give him a sip. It is slightly different if you have invited someone for a social hitting session and he forgets his stuff. Then it is you who has initiated the action and it is good to accommodate him. I don't see that applying to a league match situation.
     
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  19. sureshs

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    That is precisely the reason why you should not lend a frame. By doing that, you might lose the match and not get an opportunity to have more fun and exercise which you have already paid for. By your own logic, winning or losing does not matter, only the opportunity to play - therefore you should maximize your opportunity to play more and diverse opponents by seizing this match.
     
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    Huh?!? Whether you take the default or not, you are only guaranteed the opportunity to play one match - either this one, or if you take the default, the next one. The opportunity to actually play more than one match requires you to first win a match by non-default. On the other hand, the maximum number of matches you have the chance to play is reduced by one if you take the default.
     
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  21. Taxvictim

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    No, and something similar happened to me. Bye in the first round, default in the second round, and I lost in the finals 6-0, 6-1. I won only one game, no sets, and no matches, yet came in second place.
     
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    Can't find it at the moment, but isn't there some rule about both doubles players having to essentially be "on the court" (so that the guy "standing on the sidelines" wasn't quite correct)?

    And, I think you can "leave" the court to ask someone else for a racquet...you're just subject to "time penalties" if you take too long (20 sec between points and 90 seconds on changeovers). I think I'd risk making the opponents assess that penalty to ask someone, anyone for another stick.

    But I'm with most of the folks here, if I'd had an extra (and I usually do)...I'd fork it over unless they'd been jerks earlier in the match or on a prior event. Clearly, someone who'd broken their strings/racquet by abuse wouldn't get that courtesy...but an innocent string-break....I doubt I'd give it a second thought.
     
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  23. gmatheis

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    I live my life how I want to live my life and I try not to tell others how to live theirs because I wouldn't want them telling me how to live mine.

    In that spirit I would have gladly offered one of my own sticks to my opponent and I have actually done that in the past, But if I were in this person's situation I would perhaps ask if I could borrow a racket but I wouldn't expect it and certainly wouldn't hold anything against them if they didn't want to lend a racket out.

    You never know their reasoning ... perhaps they lent one out once and the guy broke it, or maybe they really don't want someone else's sweat on their grip. But does it really matter? it's their racket and I would not feel entitled to use it just because I failed to prepare.

    The only thing I agree with this post was the team trying to still play with only one racket ... never give up :)
     
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  24. tenniscasey

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    I bring two rackets to my matches. I wouldn't loan out my backup. And I've never seen a point to bringing three with me... I don't think I'm powerful enough to break two sets of strings in one day!
     
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    honestly, i think it was more poor sportsmanship for the team with the broken strings to have the nerve to ask the other team for a racquet. its like saying a person is wrong for not giving money to a panhandler on the street. series of bad choices that have lead them to their own demise.
     
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  26. tenniscasey

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    Sounds silly probably, but I agree with this. Those overgrips don't stay tacky for terribly long, and they aren't a 5-second operation to replace.
     
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    i keep a wooden racket in my bag for this reason. if they need to use a racket, thats the only one ill lend out.
     
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    Sorry I somehow though this match was almost over before the strings broke.

    In any case, by taking the default, I am putting myself in a better position of winning the next one and playing more matches.
     
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    What would happen if you let an opponent borrow your spare and then you end up popping your string? Curious
     
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  30. North

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    Yeah, would you then have to default cos you didn't have a racquet? Would you take your racquet back & have the opponent default?

    One poster mentioned what I've seen many people do - keep a third racquet to lend that is wood, crappy old thing, very demanding heavy racquet with minuscule sweet spot, etc.
     
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  31. TennisDawg

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    The other team should have offerred up a racquet. So, everybody kinda loses as no real match was played, IMO. I thought flex leagues, where supposed to be ......oh yeah flexible.
     
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    Not a desirable win.
    I understand your point, but I also agree with Brad Gilbert's book and concept- to always be prepared... and this has nothing to do with rec play... but in a league or tourney... be prepared. Extra racquet, hat, sunblock, water, etc.

    Let me be more detailed... if I'm in a league or tourney match and the opponent breaks a racquet/string and does not have a replacement, I am not lending mine.... however, I will give him time to get a replacement (within reason). Even if it takes 5 minutes... I'm ok with that. If it is league or tourney, someone will have an extra to lend him.
     
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    Again, this is meant as conversational, not criticism... so here's a scenario for you...

    Tournament, you're playing doubles. Opponent breaks a string. He uses a light weight racquet. His partner uses a heavy leaded stick. You also use a light racquet. Opponent complains about now having to use an unfamiliar heavy stick. Do you offer your back-up light weight stick? If so, good for you. If not, why not? And if opponent does use an unfamiliar heavy stick, do you "go easy" on him? Why not?

    I think part of it is a mindset... I don't play "win at all costs"... because to me that denotes things like calling close shots out, or delay tactics, etc. But I expect an opponent to be properly prepared to play a match... and bringing just one stick is not being prepared. Not bringing water onto a court in hot weather is not being prepared. I don't appreciate that. Bringing two sticks to a match (which is all I bring) is a common level of readiness IMO.

    Now, guy brings two sticks, breaks strings in both... again, I'll wait. If it is a league, he has 7 other mates... one of them has an extra. At a tourney... there are hundreds of people there, including the organizers... someone has an extra, and I'm not gonna hold him to a 20 second/90 second timeline.'

    You know, I just thought of something else, and here is my defining line... if it is a league or a tourney, and I am playing against a friend... or even a past opponent who I think is a good guy/good opponent.... yes, I will offer my back-up. So for me, I guess the level of relationship with the opponent factors in also.
     
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    HAHAAH That is hilarious. Dont know if youre serious or not but it made me bust out laughing. Make sure that racquet has a wornout overgrip on it as well.
     
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  35. sureshs

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    Do you think if Nadal broke strings on all his frames Federer would lend him one of his frames? I don't think so. Under these conditions, the player has to default.
     
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    I agree with you that opponent should be better prepared, and that if he breaks a string and has no backup, it's up to him to find a replacement, ideally from a partner or teammate.

    So in your scenario, I would expect my opponent to make the adjustment and play with his partner's heavy stick. In this case, he is paying a price for being unprepared, but we still are able to play.

    However, if there is no other alternative and it comes down to either lending my stick or having the opponent default, I would lend my stick. There is a degree of selfishness involved here - I want to play a match after all!
     
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  37. OrangePower

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    Nadal and Federer are playing for their livelihood, not for recreation.

    Not a good analogy - unless you are a professional player yourself?
     
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  38. sureshs

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    I know ... I was exploring the extremes :)
     
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  39. anubis

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    If its a friendly match, I'd give them one of my backups. If it's a USTA or ladder match, I think I'd also lend them one of mine.

    But if it was a tournament, I don't think I would. Tournaments imply future games, and therefore the need for reliable equipment. If I go deep in a tournament, I may play two or three matches in a two day period. I have to consider my future needs.
     
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    LOL, funny you should mention this - I own a nice Men's Open consolation piece of hardware that I won this way - first round loss, and defaults all the way to the trophy. Not a good result. But the picture frame is cool.
     
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  41. tennis tom

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    This scenario is highly unlikely to ever occur--but, knowing Roger, he might want to loan Rafa his Wilson--but Babolat might not let Rafa aceept it.
     
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  42. JRstriker12

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    Didn't Goran or Safin have to default a match because they broke all their rackets?

    Granted, even a non-racket sharing person like myself would not put my match on the same level of seriousness as an Pro match.
     
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  43. tennis tom

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    I use Tournagrip and beg to differ, in rec play I can go a week playing a couple hours a day without changing one, but my hands don't sweat much. In order to get some extra mileage out of them I reverse them from top to bottom and back to front. If it's a tournament, I'll put new ones on. I've never timed myself but can easily change an over-grip on the 90 second change-over or even between games.

    I carry three rackets, two with gut, one with nylon in case it's damp. Extra sets of strings in bag. With gut it lets you know well in advance when it's going. If it's on it's last thread, you can play around that spot. It impresses the peanut gallery to call the shot you are going to break your string on.
     
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    a thumbs up to these guys. great humor.
     
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