2 point or 6 point?

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  1. MuscleWeave

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    I have an Alpha Pioneer DC Plus, that I like a lot. But I'm wondering if I have the best mounting system in a 6 point. I'm not looking to upgrade, just trying to stay current on what's available. Many of the cheaper floating clamp machines have 2 point mounts, so when comparing to my Pioneer I figured that 6 points for $300 more (among other features) would be the way to go. Now I've seen that the Prince Neos is a 2 point at about $1000.

    That got me analyzing the two mount setups. It seems like the 2 point holds the racquet more securely, as it's clamped in. The 6 point pushes and pulls the racquet from 6 directions. It doesn't seem secure at all, now that I think about it.

    There was a post I read where the OP was thinking about changing out his mains and keeping the crosses in the frame. Now I don't want to try this, as in a six point mount, the crosses would collapse the frame, if all of the mains were removed. In a 2 point, The frame would survive this, as the frame is clamped solid.

    Also towers and mounting arms of the 6 point are not in the way while weaving. Is 2 point mounting superior to 6 point? What is good about 6 points that I may not be noticing?

    Thank you
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    I have a Neos 1000, and it does a great job of securing the frame. I personally have never seen the need for a 6-point.

    My wish list machine is a Gamma 5800 and it gives you the choice of 2 or 6. I'd choose 2.
     
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    And the 2 point cost more than the 6. :rolleyes:
     
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    They are both great, and do the job they are designed to do.

    The shop I string at has a Prince 5000 ( 2point). I absolutely love stringing on that frame. Having no mounting arms in the way sure makes weaving easier. Also, mounting/dismoutning is a breeze.
     
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    Direct or indirect support.

    Hi MuscleWeave

    My personal opinion is that the 6-point support is a mechanical design mistake, that was ‘born’ because people saw that the width of the racquet increased during stringing.
    The logical reaction was that designers of stringing machines wanted to avoid this.

    But there is a simple rule that counts here:
    If the racquet does not get shorter it does not get wider either.

    I think that supports should not be divided up in 2 and 6 point but in direct and indirect.

    An inside support (like the 2 point) supports the racquet directly in the direction of the load of the main strings. An indirect support (6 point) supports the racquet in the secondary direction.

    On top of that the outside supports cause extra stress in the racquet because the force of the support has to be transferred to the position of the mains.
    The picture of the beam in the wall shows this, it comes from a seminar of stringing machines that I visited.
    Picture B shows the indirect system which causes stress between A and C, while there is no stress at all there with a support near point C (or without a support).

    [​IMG]

    As you say, the old Ektelons and Princes have direct supports and you never hear problems with them.
    So I would stay with your system and hope this helps to be happy with it.
     
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    Great explanation! Thanks for putting this up!
     
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    Thanks for the explanation. It seems to me that using side supports is like taking a pill to treat the symptoms, where a 2 point stops the deformation before it happens. Anyways, my Pioneer does the job well and I am happy with it. Even though my 90 sq" frame gets very crowded with the mounting aparatus in the way. But I'm not seeking perfection yet. Maybe in a couple of years.

    MW
     
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  8. Technatic

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    Major matter

    Hi guys,

    To make the explanation complete I would like to add the actual major matter of a racquet mounting:

    The major quality of a turntable is the stiffness of the beam.

    When the main strings are tensioned the posts are pulled towards each other with a the total force of all the mains. So 16 strings on 60 lbs makes 960 lbs.
    To minimize the deformation of the racquet it is important that the turntable bends as little as possible.

    You can test this by measuring the distance between the supports before stringing and at the moment that only the mains are in.

    It is important to do this without the outside supports because these support exercise an extra force on the racquet caused by the bending of the main beam.
    IOW, the racquet helps to prevent the beam from bending, but this causes extra stress in the racquet.

    Please understand that a racquet does not break because of deformation but because of stress in the material.
     
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    ok, I'm bagging what you are mowing in general, but having a helluva time interpreting these diagrams. do you have a more "in depth" link to this info.

    thanks alot.
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out what this has to do with a 2-point vs. a 6-point mount. (scratching head)
     
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    Technatic,

    Is a good quality of a 6 point that it allows the racquet some freedom, so it doesn't have to absorb pressures inherent in installing mains? I'm afraid I missed your line of reasoning there.

    MW

    edit: Do 2 point mounts subject the racquet to higher pressures?
     
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  12. Tennisplayer01

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    i honestly dont see a reason for six point
    you get slowed down so much
    takes longer to mount and un mount
    lots of blocked holes really hard to string natural gut especially

    and the 2 point is very stable!
     
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  13. jim e

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    I use to string on a 2 point years ago, and now use a suspension mount 6 point ( 6 point / 10 position mounting) .
    A 6 point in reality does not slow you down, as I used both.
    I can mount my 6 point very fast, a fraction of a second may be a difference between mounting a 6 and 2, insignificant.
    With a suspension mounted 6 point there are no blocked holes even if you mount it with the side arms directly on the grommet hole, And I string a lot of nat. gut, so I really can't follow what you are saying, as it is no problem at all..
    6 point is very stable as well.
    Each one of your reasons are really invalid!
    Really no reason to put one over another, they both work.
    Bottom line is to use what you have the way it was intended.
    Each type works, and time has proven that, since 2 and 6 points have been around a while, so take each as they are, as both do the job it is intended to do.
    A solid 2 point mounting system will maintain the integrity of a frame as well as a 6 , 8, or 10 point mounting system.There are differences in how a racquet is mounted on a 2 point versus a six point machine.
     
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  14. ATP100

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    If used properly, both work, is used improperly, both don't work, simple.
     
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  15. Tennisplayer01

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    dude you serious?

    I bet anyone can string faster on a 2 point vs a 6 point are you joking man? Im not trying to argue but seriously just review what you just said..... No hard feelings intended
     
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  16. jim e

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    Yes dude I am serious!
    Review your reasons that you posted.
    You said it takes longer to mount and unmount. That time would be so slight it is insignificant. On a quality suspension 6 point both arms move simultaneously, and the racquet mount very fast. 2 point over 6 on mounting is in reality no difference that matters as far as time is.
    Blocked holes and harder to string gut,. on a suspension mounting there really are no blocked holes with the side supports.And stringing gut makes no difference on a 6 point, I string a lot of gut and typically keep a large inventory on hand becauseof the # of gut racquets I string. I have used both 2 and 6 points.
    Have you ever strung extensively on a 2 point and a 6 point machine??If you have, I don't think you would have posted what you did!!
    Once you get use to a six point, you really don't even think of those side arms there, and time is really no factor.
    No hard feelings dude!

    It really is futile to argue on one system over another, as they both do the job it is intended to do as long as each is used the way it is intended.Time should be no issue as well.
     
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    Great post. Agree.

    I think where "time" really makes a big difference is when one strings more than one of the same frame. Say 3 of the same frames. In this case, mounting/dismounting is much faster on a 2 vs, a 6.

    Other than that, your post is really spot on. Both moutning systems are fantastic, and once you get use to either, everything is really negligible.

    I have a Star 4, have used the Neos 1000, and string on a Prince 5000 at work. Although I am most likely faster on the Neos 1000 than the other machines, it is most-likely only a few seconds. However, when I do 15-20 frames in a day, I become much slower on the Neos, Vs. the other two. One has to work much harder on the neos.
     
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    if i'm not mistaken, the 6 point machine that tennisplayer01 has experience on is the alpha axis pro which requires the user to adjust each tower individually and then the billiard post and then each individual arm separately. this would absolutely take alot longer to mount the racquet than the 2 pt mount of his prince neos 1500.

    i've used the eagnas 6 pt mount similar to the axis, the neos 1000, the gamma 6004 6 pt mount and the babolat sensor 6 pt mount. the eagnas indeed took alot longer. for the other 3 machines, mounting took about the same amount of time.

    having strung on the eagnas which did obstruct access to holes, i found the 6 pt mounts of the gamma & the babolat to offer very easy access to nearly all the holes when i upgraded.
     
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  19. dancraig

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    Here we go.:rolleyes:
     
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    i have the eagnas 910 and i'm guessing i could mount any "normal" racket about 1.5 minutes (less if i was rushing). if i don't need to move the towers it will be alot quicker of course. i take my time and double check/confidence.

    still, not as quick as the ektelon/etc "crush" mounts (haha ;).
    they are fine as well.

    and i do have to move around the arms abit, no big deal, but yes a touch slower at times.

    i string for me and a few others, no worries.
     
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    As Il Mostro used to say, "this is gonna be a swell train wreck".:rolleyes:
     
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    What he said.

    With all things equal, this would be true but it's usually not the case. Of all the machines that I've used (various tabletops, neos, p200, star 3 and 5), my best time was on the star 3. Now if they made a machine like that with a 2pt system that you could mount a racquet just as fast, it would have shaved a few seconds.
     
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  23. Technatic

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    I think it is the other way around, the direct support allows the racquet get wider gradually by spreading the stress over the length.

    Hereby more text out of the document that I have, which explains more:

    The racquet support:It is the prime task is to keep the stress in the racquet as low as possible during stringing. When the stress during stringing is too high this will result in micro cracks in the racquet material that could lead to racquets breaking during play.
    It is very important to understand that minimum deformation during stringing does not mean minimum stress in the racquet material. (Proof needed?)

    We compare the racquet with a beam in a wall:
    Fig 1A shows the beam with the weight hanging in position C. There is no stress between point C and A.
    The weight is too heavy so we have to support the beam.
    There are 2 ways to support the beam:
    - Fig 1B shows an indirect support in position A. The support causes a high stress between point A and point C.
    - Fig 1C shows a direct support close to point C. There is no stress between point A and C.

    [​IMG]

    Conclusion:
    - The indirect in A does not allow deformation in point A but causes extra stress in the beam between A and C.
    - The direct support in C the same effect in A, but does not cause any stress between A a

    The pressure between the supports and the racquet must be as low as possible.
    The wider the supports the better it is for the racquet.


    an important item is also: When you have a direct system with 5 supports it is better than when the system supports a narrower section of the racquet.
     
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    I started on a Gamma X2 (2 point) and now use a Gamma 602FC (6 point). They are pretty different machines except for the dropweight part. At the end of the day, both game me an undamaged racquet with string in it that I could take to the courts and play. Like others have said, used properly, both systems work.

    As far as mounting times, my 6 point takes marginally longer.
     
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    Not all 2-point mounts are the same, though they tend to be "hold-down" types. The same goes for 6-point mounts as well, most common are "floating" mounts. There are even hybrid 2/6 point which are "hold down" with side supports.

    I agree with the others, that all mounts when used properly, work. I've used a Gamma 6004 SC 2-point, Gamma 5003 6-point, and a Babolat Sensor. As far as mounting speed is concerned. It all depends on the racket(s) to be mounted. I agree with Drak, that if you were mount the same model racket over and over again it's much faster on a 2-point, but if you have to adjust the length and in-side supports from one racket to another it takes longer. I find it's much faster to mount a different rackets on the Babolat than on the 2-point Gamma. Though mounting a racket on the Gamma is probably much faster than on a Prince. The slowest is probably a tie with the Gamma 5003 and Eagnas Flex.

    If there were a stringing race between Drak and TennisPlayer01, I'd bet on Drak. ;)
     
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    well seconds of time is the key to making a world record dont ya think? :)
     
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  27. Technatic

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    technically or speed

    Hi guys,

    I understand that the experience in use is an important aspect and of course speed is a major issue in stringing………………………………………..as long as the racquet remains undamaged.

    But these systems are so different that you can not deny the difference in quality in protecting the racquet.

    Like with other comparisons you only notice the difference when you go to the limit in use.

    The famous cases of breaking racquets on 6 point machines of Prince Extender shaped racquets proves the difference.
    (Prince in Europe advised at first not to use the outside supports at all!)

    When the outside supports are placed too close to 3 and 9 o'clock it gets dangerous also. This can easily happen on badminton racquets.

    IOW
    If you compare a Porsche and a Ferrari on the US high way it is not a good test either.

    So when you really want to compare direct- and indirect systems string a big UN-elliptic shaped racquet at 70+ lbs and start the crosses at the throat side.

    Take an old one on a 6-point machine because it may die!
     
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    Could anyone share what it is about the direct and indirect systems that make them work the way they do? And perhaps some plusses and minuses?

    Thank you
    MW
     
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    I don't have any technical information to share but I have strung on a Prince Neos (2 point mount) for a year before my shop moved to a Star 5 (6 point) and mounting on the Star 5 is hands down faster. But there is a lot more flexing and movement of the racket with the Star 5. After mounting with the North and South mounts directly on the inside of the hoop, you get to see the racket flex a few millimeters from these two points as you string the first 2-4 mains. Some rackets will have the smallest of gaps between it and one of the six points by the time you get to the last crosses.
     
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    I will, at some point in the future, be buying a Gamma 6004 and this thread has me torn between 2 point and 6 point.

    I was set on 6 point, as that is what I have now. My very first machine (Silent Partner swing) was a 2 point.

    I liked the 2 point and felt that it worked well. I was never aware of any major deformation resulting from using the 2 point system.

    However, I did crack a racquet once at the mount point. I don't know if I over tightened or if the frame was old (or already compromised). I feel like it may have been a bit of both (although I was pretty careful not to over tighten).

    Still, ever since that day, the 2 point system has made me nervous and I've favored 6 point. The 6 point is the floating concept so I felt more comfortable with it. However, I have to admit, that it doesn't necessarily seem to hold the frame in place any better (perhaps not quite as well actually) and I don't get the feel that it necessarily causes any less stress to the frame either.

    In talking with a guy from Prince as well as (I forget his name) from stringingmachines.com, they believe that a frame "needs to breathe" during stringing and for this reason, they support the 2 point system.
     
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  31. Technatic

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    What is certain?

    I can imagine that it is difficult to decide when you want to buy a new machine and read all these messages with different arguments.
    And it is also confusing that there are much more machine with 6 point indirect supports then with direct supports.
    The question is are all those Chinese manufacturers just follow the big example (Babolat) or do they have their own technical arguments?

    Lets try to find certainties:
    * It is difficult to find messages about breaking racquets on Direct mountings, certainly not on those with a stiff table, like Ektelon, Prince and Stringway.
    * It is important to lower the pressure between the racquet and the support, which means the wider the support the better it is. The supports on 6p mountings are very narrow.
    * When the racquet can breath it means that the deformation can be distributed gradually over the hole length of the racquet head.
    * When you add a narrow support at that point where the racquet wants to move outwards, the support wants to push a “bend” in the racquet, causing stress that would not be there without the support.
    * So Holding the racquet exactly in shape does not mean that there is no stress, the stress is certainly there!
    * The stress is the bad guy not the deformation.
    * On direct supports it is not a problem at all to string all racquets from throat to head.,
    This is dangerous with outside mountings because the deformation of the racquet head is pushed upwards increasing the force on the outside supports.
    * The bending stiffness of the turntable is the prime quality, when it is not stiff the widening on a direct system will be more and the forces on the outside supports on the indirect system will be higher.
    * Of course 4 or 5 point direct is better than just a banana in the centre.

    I string on my Stringway with direct supports for more than 20 years, always with 2 knots and when the mains end at the throat I go from throat to head, never had an issue.
     
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    well you do have to realize if they say 6 point is faster its true but however i wasn't comparing with teh TOPOF THE LINE machines
    i was comparing the gamma 6004 2pt vs 6 pt not a over 3000$ machine
     
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    Hmmm....all these comments are very interesting.
    I may not be qualified to even comment, but here it goes....
    I've owned machines with 2 pnt and 6 pnt.
    I'm not going to tell anyone that one system is better than the other.
    I will say this:
    -One system relies on brute force to keep a frame on the rack. The other system does not.
    -Why do ALL the top machines on the planet use 6 pnt, especally if 2 pnt is quicker?
    -How many 2 pnt mounting systems are found in Tier 1, 2 or Grand Slam stringing rooms, especally if 2 pnt is quicker?

    One of my customers has me string his Bab PD Team at 75lbs. I don't have worries mounting this on my 6 pnt.
    I'd be a little freaked out mounting it on a 2 pnt.

    Additionally, a question for those with 2 pnt systems:
    How would you mount and string a Volkl Power Bridge or Head Crossbow?
     
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    dgdawg

    You sound perfectly qualified to comment. Thanks for your input.

    MW
     
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    Ditto, I'm with you dawg!
     
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    It seems like you are joking ;)
     
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    6 points allows to spread forces a bit more evenly than 2 points.
    When stringing mains there are 3 support points(2-1) in each direction on 6 pts machine and 2 on 2 pts(1-1).
    When stringing cross - there are 4 support points on 6 pts, and 2 on 2pts.
    Mounting on 6 pts prevents deforming of frame more efficiently than on 2 pts machine.
    There are no blocked holes on any machine :)
     
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    If you really want to compare apples to apples. A Gamma 6004 SC 2-point vs. a Gamma 6004 SC 6-point floating, are about the same. Though there might be a slight advantage to the 2-point if you were mounting the same racket model. Both are faster than the standard Gamma 6-point non-SC, and a Prince Neos 1000/1500. It's all a matter of function. All of these machines are $1000-1300.
     
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  39. mad dog1

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    do you realize that the gamma 6004 is one of the top of the line crank machines with 2 pt and 6 pt mounting systems that are just as fast to use as the megabuck babolat mounting systems? :confused:
     
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  40. Technatic

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    I am sorry Bedrock;
    I could not disagree with you more.
    Please understand that the outside supports are supporting the racquet in the wrong direction! The forces of the mains do the harm and a 6-point machine only has one very narrow support in that direction.

    I think we have been at this point before, in my opinion it only means that everybody goes with the flow.
    Or is it certain also that Windows is a better operation system than others because it is used much more?
     
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    Well what I have noticed on this 6 point mounting system, is that on the first pull, to anchor the first mains.. There is a gap on the inside throat support. After I tighten the following strings, it goes away.

    I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or what, but there is a nervous pause on my part until it straightens it self out.

    I dont know who is right, who has the better system, but I gotta believe there are some well paid engineers somewhere who have done tests after tests. I can't imagine Babolat, Wilson and all the other companies releasing something they know that will damage a racquet.

    Seems there is no perfect solution, though I really like what stringway has done.

    Sounds like it comes down to what you like.

    If I own a two point mounting system.. I like two points..
    If I own a six point mounting system,, I like 6 points.
     
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  42. jim e

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    Both systems do the job. Good grief!
    Six point mounts do have inside supports at both 12 oclock, and 6 oclock positions.
    If it was so detrimental to racquets to have the outside side supports that a six point has, there would be a lot of destruction of racquets at the major slams.
    It was just reported earlier today that the racquet count was up to 3,305 racquets strung at the stringers room at the Australian Open so far ( they use 6 point machines) . If 6 points were so detrimental, there should have been a lot of destruction of a # of professional players racquets there don't you think? And these are world class stringers there, cranking them out very fast and accurate so these pros (whom I'm sure are very discriminating on there equipment), can rely on the services that are provided and have very consistant jobs done.Six points have been used at slams for how long know? How bad has it been on all those racquets all those years if 6 points are all that bad?
    They normally leave one machine open, as if there is an on court emergency, a racquet could be strung up immediately for the pro needing it right away.Would be bad for buisness if the so called inferior 6 point system broke the racquet needed right away. I guess that just doesn't happen does it.
    Could you just vision a stringer going courtside returning a racquet broken to a pro that requested a fast job and the stringer explaining to him they should be using a different mounting system, for some strange reason you just don't see that happening.
     
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  43. rufusbgood

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    I assume you mean the Volkl Power Arm racquets not the PowerBridge.

    I mount the Power Arm racquets on a 6 pt machine. Same with the Crossbow. Everything else I do on a 2 pt machine. I have one customer who has had me string a Prince Thunderstrike Titanium 110 at 84 lbs. I'm not thrilled to do it on any machine, but feel the opposite from you and would always do it on the 2 pt.
     
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  44. dgdawg

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    Both. They both have the floating "bridge" in the throat.
     
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  45. rufusbgood

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    I have a PowerBridge 8 sitting next to me. There is nothing floating in the throat.
     
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  46. dgdawg

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    I stand corrected.
    I looked in my stringing log and my customers frame is a DNX 1 POWER ARM.
    TW has a PB1 and PB5 with the "thing" in the throat
    Did I get the Cross Bow right?
     
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  47. rufusbgood

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    Yep. I've never even attempted to do a Crossbow on a 2 pt. The pattern they are suggesting just makes me shudder. So, for these few odd frames I have a 6 pt machine.
     
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  48. rufusbgood

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    Great analogy!
     
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  49. I Heart Thomas Muster

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    That's probably my biggest complaint with the 6 point system. I wasn't sure what to do. Snug the post up again or leave as is knowing that the racquet would tighten back up as I strung. I opted to tighten the post lightly and it seemed to work pretty good. The racquets came off the machine without having to force the 12 and 6 posts loose. According to a poster on stringforum, Gamma told him to snug the post back up after pulling that first main which causes the gap.

    In the end I just decided to go back to the Neos since it was a known quantity to me and I was feeling a bit nostalgic.
     
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  50. lwto

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    Thanks for that, cause I thought it was just me.
    See for my wilson racquets its a no matter, but I have this Dunlop, which I guess has a weaker head and it comes up about 3/32 short, almost an 1/8th short. It probably doesnt matter, but, it would bother me, hence, I'm sure it would bother a lot of others who ever noticed.

    I am going to snug it up after the first pull!
     
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