2000 Wimbledon final: Sampras v Rafter

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  1. Laurie

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    There's hardly anything on youtube re this match. So I've decided to upload highlights yesterday, basically each set in 15 minute highlights. I've uploaded Sets 1, 2 and 3 so far and will upload set 4 tomorrow.

    It's interesting to look at this match in relation to how the game is played now at Wimbledon and the comments that were attributed to Nadal during Wimbledon this year. By the way, it was a great match. Your thoughts on the past and present welcome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLelx4w228E - Set 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOri2C5FAlE - Set 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkkb3K4Paqc - Set 3

    I will post set 4 highlights once I upload it
     
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    OMG god bless you
     
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  3. gpt

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    Thanks so much Laurie. Rafter was looking a real chance early in that final
     
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    So much to love about this match.

    Escpecially Rafter's shirt.
     
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    Is it possible to see Rafter actually hit a groundstroke, not from the return? Especially a FH..
     
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    I believe Sampras was actually pretty badly hurt going into that final...

    Not that Rafter wasn't always a tough opponent. An SV that athletic, with an all-court game is nasty on grass, though that grass muted Rafter's kick serve a bit.
     
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  7. Laurie

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    I thought KRosero or Moose Mally did stats on this match some time ago, see if I can find it in the vaults.

    But in this match Rafter hit less than 5 passing shot winners the entire match (over 3 hours), whereas Sampras hit over 15 passing shot winners. As for return of serve, Sampras hit about 15 returner winners and Rafter hit about 3 in total. Rafter created 2 break point opportunities and Sampras 13 or something similar. The highlights reflect that Rafter's strengths were his serve and athleticism which caused Sampras lots of problems. Other than that, Rafter was outplayed.
     
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  8. Laurie

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    His shin, he took injections before the match but it wore off after 2 hours. He was advised not to take another injection during the long rain delay because that was dangerous, after that break Rafter had an opportunity to take advantage because Sampras wasn't hiiting the ball as clean and was suffering from nerves (lots of double faulting at bad moments).

    By the way, Rafter's kick serve was just fine on the grass. It was taking a lot of kick indeed.
     
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  9. accidental

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    To me the turning point was when Rafter led 4.1 in the second set tiebreak, only for Sampras to win it something like 10-8

    Sampras looked quite nervous up to that point since he was going for the slam record with this win but after he managed to steal that set and avoid going down 2 sets to love he really started to play much better and more freely

    If Rafter got that tiebreak he may have won the whole thing in straight sets
     
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    He didn't practice during the fortnight, and had to take injections for his shins.
     
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    Here you go: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=204839
     
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    Fantastic! How about the 1999 final some day? The 1999 agassi and the 1992 courier finals both had amazing rallies. They show that Sampras was definitively the best player in the world, either at the net or from the back.
     
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    1993, and yes, hard to believe but Sampras's all-court abilities are actually highly underrated on this forum!
     
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    wow, thanks for uploading!
     
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    Thank you very much, sir.
     
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    this match is great i have the dvd
     
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    Rafter really choked that second set tie break away
     
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    He admits that himself in an interview I saw a few years ago....
     
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    Why people say that the grass(Wlimbledon) court is slower nowadays?
     
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  22. Laurie

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    The 1999 Wimbledon final is all over youtube. One chap uploaded it in 13 parts and there's a french version of the match - the whole match in one go.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCnOpY5mfhY
     
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    Picture quality is very poor though.
     
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    Wow, Sampras' backhand is like a FH in it's own right!
     
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    TBH, S&V on EVERY point has to be boring, no? Not sure if I want this sort of tennis to reign again. I like players who can add variety to their game. Baseline, S&V, net approaches etc. I enjoyed this clip but it became rather monotonous after a while.
     
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  27. Laurie

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    I like this match a lot but I agree with you to a certain extent. I actually always preferred watching two attacking players on hardcourt. Many of them were more likely to stay back on their second serves more often and there were some great all court Tennis as a result. Players like Sampras, Becker, Henman and Phillippoussis did that a lot. Players like Krajicek, Edberg and Rafter served and volleyed more on the second serve on hardcourts during their peak, although they would stay back from time to time as well. All of these players had baseline games whereas in the 2000s many serve and volleyers had no baseline game and weren't that good at returning - Taylor Dent, Wesley Moody, Max Myrni, Micheal Llodra, Ivo Karlovic, it became the domain of the journeyman.

    I uploaded Sampras v Becker from the 1994 Italian Open two months ago, look at their different approach to the game compared to grass where they served and volleyed on everything.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUP2FxtK0VQ
     
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  28. Limpinhitter

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    It is slower. I read that the grass was blended with a variety that has more tolerance for being cut very short. The shorter the grass is cut, the less of the waxy blades of the grass there is for the ball to skid off of. Wimbledon has always been a bit different from other grass courts due to the hard compacting of the substrate making the bounce higher than on other grass courts. Now, it is also slower than other grass courts due to the shorter cut of the grass. I would guess that it now plays similar to painted cement which was the prevailing hardcourt before they started adding an aggregate in the paint.
     
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  29. Laurie

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    We know that the process began in 1995 as it was well documented then as it it is now. Sampras said in his book that the grass had changed but the same players were still getting to the latter stages of Wimbledon during that period.

    Pat Cash in 1999 through 2001 period often described the grass as hard and high bouncing (on BBC commentary), favouring players with big kick serves and allowed a lot of rallying as well.
     
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  30. Tagg

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    i remember watching this ages ago, didn't think i'd get to thank the person who put it up! ta!

    great tennis videos, really makes you appreciate youtube

    there's a guy called jsnple (i think?) who has uploaded whole matches from the 90s

    mostly sampras, but quite a bit of agassi, becker as well

    great channel
     
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