2005 AO Safin vs 2011 AO Djokovic

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  1. pound cat

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    Safin did hang out with Gulbis who liked to party before he decided to take tennis seriously and have tennis success.
     
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  2. Incognito

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    So basically djokovic has only 1 peak year (2011) while Nadal and Federer have several?
     
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  3. jhhachamp

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    True, but he beat Federer playing at his peak, which is something pretty much no one else was able to do on a slam outside of clay. I'm still picking Safin, but it is close.
     
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    But we're not talking about Hrbaty and Nadal. We're talking about Safin and Djokovic. I just pointed out a fact, that's all!
     
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  5. Mustard

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    Nadal beat Djokovic 7-5, 2-6, 6-2 in the semi finals of 2008 Hamburg, when a Djokovic win would have seen him replace Nadal as world number 2. Not as devastating for Djokovic as the 2009 Madrid semi final, but still tough.
     
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  6. MichaelNadal

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    You used a match of Djokovic's from 2005. That's about as relavant as if it had been on PS3.
     
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  7. Mainad

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    Lol...I think Safin had more than enough court antics of his own to dwarf anything Djokovic might be capable of! :)
     
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  8. Mainad

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    Okay...well how about their match from 2008? Was Djokovic sufficiently 'prime' for you by then? He still didn't manage to take a set off Safin.
     
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    I would put my money on safin. it would be close though.
     
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  10. Mustard

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    Safin beat Djokovic in straight sets at 2008 Wimbledon. People expected Djokovic to win that match without much bother, but Djokovic was flat throughout as Safin bullied him around the court with a big powerful game. That was the last tournament where there were some flashes of Safin at his best.
     
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    2008 safin was not close to 2005 safin at AUS. safin would have the edge with his serve and power game.
     
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    Just putting in my two cents....

    Djokovic has more big match experience, or at least has WON more big matches. He's won there four times, you have to give him respect. At the same time, Djokovic and Safin both aren't always there mentally, and one of them could easily have choked this away.
    In terms of play style, I think they are similar, but Safin has the brute force, we saw that in 2008. Djokovic would have to be very consistent.

    Here's my prediction:
    2012 AO final played by 2005 Safin vs. 2011 Djokovic, Djokovic in 3
    Anything else could go either way.
     
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    I know, I saw the match and I agree. (and was quite happy with the result :lol:) But that has nothing to do with 2011 AO Djokovic. Novak was still more than prone to upsets at the time and it would be THREE full years until he won a major outside of the AO (or reach a Wimbledon final for that matter)
     
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    Why were you happy with the result? According this post of yours in 2009, Djokovic is your second favourite.

    Rank the top 10 in order of preference:

     
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    No. Federer and Djokovic have one as I listed them and Nadal fans tell me that Nadal has different peak for every surface. Ask Mustard.
     
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    Really? That's more than 1 year for Federer and Nadal.

     
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  17. dudeski

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    Yes Nadal has HC peak in few different seasons while Fed has one continuous period stretching over about two and a half years I would describe as his absolute peak. Novak's peak was clearly in 2011. Probably ended after USO that year.
     
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    Safin at times was poor at AO 2005 - what kept him alive was his self belief. I think Safin could have lost to many players in that final - he wasn't very good, especially in the first set where he lost 6-1 to Hewitt. I believe his win over Federer in the SF's gave him the belief that he could win no matter what.




    Safin of the SF at AO 2005 would beat anybody in the game. Period.




    In terms of matchup, it would be awful for Djokovic. Safin serves big, will take massive cuts of the returns, hits harder than Djokovic AND earlier than Djokovic too, as well as having the clear advantage at the net. Djokovic is the better defender and mover but we saw Safin being able to beat Federer and Hewitt differently who happened to be at that time as good a mover(s) as Djokovic. Also, Safin at times at AO 2005 played the type of tennis where he would go on runs of domination (amongst horror shows).




    As for who's level is highest at their best at the AO 2005 and AO 2011. Safin easily. However Safin was at times edgy at that tournament. I'd give it to Safin based on the SF and F performance and from a matchup perspective - Safin has given Djokovic fits at Wimbledon for Christ sakes.
     
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    Didn't want to be a tennis player
    Hated tennis at times
    Had continuous motivation problems
    Missed every slam in 2003
    Blisters and playing in pain in 2004
    Played less than half a year in 2005 with full fitness
    2005-2009 wasted years of him in pain and playing crap
    Enjoyed life outside tennis
    Had a crap attitude at times

    You forgot he won 2 DC's.







    You do realise Cesc has made some of the dumbest threads ever? Just read his thread about JMDP prior to US Open 2009 and Soderling prior to FO 2009. His best thread was 'an scandal, an digrace a outrage'. I don't think the guy has seen Safin, I doubt he even attended school.
     
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  20. monfed

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    No way Safin beats Novak at AO 11 on plexi. However, Djokovic 2.0 would have a great chance of beating Safin at AO 05 and most likely will. Too much is made out of Safin's AO 05 performance IMO.
     
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  21. The_Order

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    But he never beat Nadal...
     
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    And Nadal wouldn't want to play him either, because he's even more of a handful than playing against Nole.
     
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    How often was he a handful? Like 6 times in his entire career? Come on.
     
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    We're talking Djoko at AO 2011, not Djoko post 2011. Djokovis at AO 2011 didn't have more big match experience than Safin AO 2005.

    I think I would give a very slight edge to Safin based on two things:
    a) How he dominated Djokovic' in Djokovic by far second best year up until 2011 - a year where he was pretty consistent too, at least up until Wimbledon 2008. That match to me points to a possible match up issue for Djokovic.
    b) The fact that Safin is the only guy to beat peak Federer in a non-clay slam.

    But those who say that Djoko's crazy defence and endurance could change the outcome of the match in his favor do have a point as well. I just give Safin the edge based on the above.
     
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  25. pound cat

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    Safin never ripped his shirt or trained ball kids to do a musical routine ...in case he won a particular match. (we saw 1 routine, but he lost the next match and that was the end of the ball kids routine)

    It's stuff like this that Fedetrer probably dislikes most about him...
     
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  26. 5555

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    Is it a fact or an opinion?
     
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  27. Mainad

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    He may not have ripped his shirt, but he went one better and dropped his shorts and mooned the crowd after winning a point at the 2004 French Open.
    He thought it was very unfair that he got docked a point for it! :)

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xq2wqu_2004-safin-mantilla-crazy-point_sport
     
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    I'd take Djokovic. Wawrinka played Djokovic just as well as Safin could have this year at the AO, and Djokovic wasn't at his 2011 level this year.
     
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  29. Anaconda

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    It doesn't sound like you're much of a Safin fan, did you actually watch Safin?
     
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    Djoker lost 1 set in route to the title. Safin lost 5.

    I'm going with Novak.
     
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    Rebound ace Safin in 5 sets
    Plexicushion Djokovic in 4 very tight sets

    It is clear Djokovic prefers plexicushion to rebound ace and is the biggest beneficiary of the change.
     
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