2010 Ratings: What's The Damage?

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    So far, I'm doing pretty well. I'm still 3.5, and I've lost six players from my 3.5 spring team.

    I had one 4.0 lady friend move down to 3.5. This is amazing because she is one of my go-to 4.0 players whenever I need a 7.5 combo win. I will go recruit her immediately for my 3.5 team before someone else nabs her.

    I had two of my 3.5 players move up on pretty poor records. 2010 is going to be rough for them.

    Cindy -- off to check her own rating one more time but feeling pretty lucky to have dodged a bullet
     
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  2. BustedString

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    We lost in the flight playoffs and I lost my top 3 players to 4.5, all 3 of whom were computer 3.5 players in '08. In our area it was a slaughter for 4.0 guys moving to 4.5 and for weak 4.0 players staying at 4.0. Otherwise, it seemed fairly even throughout like in prior years. We lost about 20% of our 4.0 players here and our local champion didn't even advance past districts.
     
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  3. JLyon

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    All my 5.0 guys stayed 5.0. Kinda funny since we went a great 0-8
     
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  4. Cindysphinx

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    I'm thinkin' I'm going to wind up in good shape. It looks like the stronger women on my 7.0 mixed team moved up.

    Fun fact: I spent a bunch of energy trying to recruit a certain self-rated player, and eventually she turned me down and went elsewhere. Then she got injured and didn't play spring adult. She played a few mixed matches, probably to try to get a 3.5 M rating, which would be better than an "S."

    Whoops, the computer gave her a 4.0 M, so she is no longer a threat to destroy all of my singles players. Thank goodness.
     
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  5. Angle Queen

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    Bullet dodged by me. Kind unbelievable. But I'll take it.

    I'll add that most of our team that went to Sectionals...stayed at 3.5. Only lost our top two singles players and one doubles gal.
     
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  6. michael_1265

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    I lost three players from my (former) 3.0 spring team, myself included. It looks like the 3.5 team I am going to has lost at least three, maybe four, so it is balancing out.
     
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  7. michael_1265

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    How in the world??? I've seen your record. I think they need to upgrade the CPU on that USTA computer.
     
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  8. Angle Queen

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    Congrats, Mike. You deserve the promotion. :)
     
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  9. Angle Queen

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    Yeah...I'm kinda scratching my head over that one. But, eh, I knew that even though we were playing the #1 or #2 lines...we weren't really playing anybody super tough.
     
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  10. forthegame

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    I don't get it. Are you guys happy or sad to stay on a rating level? I would've thought you'd all want to move up...
     
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  11. li0scc0

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    where do you find the rankings?
     
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  12. Cindysphinx

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    Thrilled to stay at the same level.

    I'm learning to play singles. I've changed my BH and my serve. I am learning to slice. It would be hard to implement these changes at 4.0, but I'll be able to keep working on it at 3.5.
     
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  13. Cindysphinx

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    Better keep checking, AngleQueen. I once sent out an e-mail to my team mid-day announcing the bumps, and then some extra ones came in that night.
     
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  14. OrangePower

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    Everyone on my 4.5 team remains at 4.5 myself included. I have several 4.0 friends who got bumped up. As far as I can tell so far, there is a fair amount of bump-ups from 4.0 to 4.5, but not as many from 4.5 to 5.0 or even from 3.5 to 4.0 (relatively speaking). So maybe they are trying to increase the pool of 4.5 players while making 4.0 a bit smaller.
     
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  15. dafox

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    Just got my first USTA rating finally - I have been playing casually for the past 4 years in a local tourneys/ladders. Ended up gettting a 4.5T rating - not sure how that impacts me if I try to play leagues this year.
     
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  16. andfor

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    Looks like I'm still a 4.5. Not a steller year by any stretch. My back injury is gone so 2011 is going to be better.

    TennisLink is slow. Wonder why? Ha Ha
     
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  17. OrangePower

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    It seems that many would rather dominate at a lower level than have a losing record at a higher level.

    There's always stuff to work on, and changes you could make to your game. So sooner or later you will need to figure out how to continue to implement changes while facing stiffer competition.
     
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  18. OrangePower

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    As far as I know, for league play your 4.5T rating is considered equivalent to a 4.5 self rating - meaning that you can play no lower than 4.5 for leagues, but can get disqualified and bumped up to 5.0 mid-season if you are blowing people away.
     
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  19. ryushen21

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    I'm kinda ticked. I didn't play Fall '09. Only got two matches in Spring '10 (0-2) and just finished a 4-0 Fall season but because it started late half of my matches didn't get considered in the ratings. Shoulda moved up but it looks like I'm stuck.

    I'm just gonna talk to my team capt and see if there's room for me on the team where I should be.
     
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  20. Angle Queen

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    Mixed emotions here. I worked very hard to improve myself and, collectively, my regular partner and I did the same to become a top pair. A move to 4.0 would have meant playing on Tuesdays (instead of Wednesdays) which is better for me from a childcare standpoint. BUT, it would also mean finding a new team. I like the ladies I play with -- we had phenomenal success this year...but it was ancillary to the 3Fs we classify tennis: fitness, fun and fellowship.

    Understood...but maybe I should take a screenshot of the "Find A Rating" result that has a 12/31/2010 date. ;)
     
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  21. dcdoorknob

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    What do you have to do to get bumped down? I was barely above .500 at 3.0 in 2009 but got caught in the great bump up, didn't fare well.

    My 3.5 results last spring (all singles):
    L 3-6, 3-6
    L 0-6, 2-6
    L 1-6, 0-6
    L 1-6, 5-7
    L 1-6, 3-6

    I was hoping to be bumped down to 3.0 so I could play both a 3.0 and a 3.5 league this spring. Oh well, still a 3.5. I am curious how awful you have to get creamed consistently to actually get bumped down.

    I've been taking lessons and am definitely playing better now than I was for those matches, but I mainly wanted to be able to get in some more matches with a 3.0 league in the spring. Playing up to 4.0 seems pretty ridiculous under the circumstances.
     
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  22. Angle Queen

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    Why USTA decided to release the ratings, at lunchtime, on CyberMonday....

    That's planning for ya!
     
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  23. Angle Queen

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    A little well-placed birdy told me you had to do a minimum 2-year tour at any new level before they'd move ya again. Guess that's to make them feel better about any (potential) mistake they made. Hang in there, doorknob. You'll fare better next year. :)
     
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  24. dlk

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    Bumped up to 3.5, believe cause I played on 3.5 leagues (cause my record was not that great).
     
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  25. SlapShot

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    My 4.0 team has 3 fresh 4.5 players (one of whom I expected would get bumped, and 2 I'm a bit confused by). We've got a strong core of players, but sadly we will miss the 3 that were bumped.
     
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  26. ibeeskeef

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    I got bumped to 4.5, which was not a surprise after going 12-1 in Men's 4.0 league this year. The surprise was it allowed me to appeal and I am back to 4.0. :shock::shock:
     
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  27. Perry the Platypus

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    Don't see a lot of change around here. Even a couple of 4.5 guys I know that wound 75% of their sectional matches stayed the same. I even saw a couple of last year's bump ups get bumped down...... Definitely did not look like bumpfest 2009 part 2.........
     
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  28. OrangePower

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    Very strange... I thought that auto-appeals are being denied if you played 6 or more matches against computer rated players in adult league. Wonder if there is a glitch somewhere?
     
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  29. BustedString

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    I believe this because there are several people here who clearly should have rated down based upon results but they didn't because they rated up last year. This is a horrendous rule. They are tailoring the system to a few sandbaggers and not the masses.
     
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  30. BustedString

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    They must have lifted this rule because I saw a guy with 9 matches win his appeal down, and he played in a flight play-off and had a Benchmark rating.
     
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  31. ian2

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    The whole NTRP system is mostly a glitch, with some flashes of common sense thrown in for good measure. State's #1 ranked guy at 3.5 did not get bumped up. Ditto for state's #1 dubs pair: these guys completely dominated the whole season yet no bump up, both remain 3.5. My 15:4 league record looks paltry in comparison (I didn't get bumped either), but personal feelings aside something isn't working right...
     
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  32. Kostas

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    Not so....there were at least two women that my wife play with that didn't survive their first year at 4.5. They were bumped last December and had horrid Adult seasons and both are now back to 4.0.
     
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  33. BustedString

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    We lost about 20% of our 4.0 players to 4.5 in my area. This seems ridiculously high to me given that the winning team didn't even advance past districts.
     
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  34. Angle Queen

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    Good to know. I'll inform my source. Misconceptions abound.
     
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  35. film1

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    Where are you finding these updated ratings?
     
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  36. JavierLW

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    That's probably a variation of the ole "2nd place gets screwed" phenomenon.

    The teams that advance get their @ss handed to them at some point unless they make it far in nationals which lowers their ratings because 50% of it is the highest level they've been at.

    Meanwhile if any players had any sort of success against them, they get kicked up. (and if they are benchmarks it could affect their entire area)

    They need to get rid of the 50% thing in my opinion, it's based on the flawed opinion that playoff teams are somehow more representative of their level when in fact most of the time they are not. (either they cheat, or at the best by the time they get to that point, they have improved where they are not at the level they are playing at anymore more times then not)

    Unless they go back to having verifiers that actually affect ratings. (which makes more sense in the playoffs where you may not be able to afford to throw games or not play full out)

    Otherwise they need to use the DNTRP in my opinion, what do you think? They could still do some sort of trickle down affect for the purposes of adjusting to the playoffs, but to make the highest level of playoffs 50% of your rating makes more problems then it solves.
     
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  37. NoSkillzAndy

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    dafox, I'll be in the same boat as you for next year. They gave me a 4.5T because I didn't play any leagues this year. I'm not too happy about that as there is a possibility (however slim) to get DQ'd if I do really well. I don't really care if I get bumped up, but DQ's can ruin a team's season...
     
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  38. JavierLW

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    Under normal circumstances though it's been always rare that people get moved down. (compared to getting moved up)

    And you have to figure they dragged those lines 30-35% into the previous levels to get them rated up in the first place.

    Mathematically that's got to make it near impossible to get moved down. If you win any sort of games in your matches you'll get stuck at that level more now then ever....

    (just dont like when people claim little birdies told them something and now we have a million people claiming that they "have a record that CLEARLY should of had them moved down" in a system that is not really all that clear....)
     
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  39. PinkTennisNinja

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    Why would you appeal down??? I've heard this from more than one person. I know it's fun to win everything (I was 8 or 9-0 in the spring) but if I played the same level again it just wouldn't be challenging. Hell it wasn't really challenging the last time I just couldn't get on a high level team because I didn't know anyone.

    I'm now happily a 3.5 and have a new tennis family :)
     
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  40. Angle Queen

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    I think, therein, lies the explanation of my (still-the-same) 3.5 rating. My partner and I rolled undefeated during the regular season and won all three of our matches at Districts. At Sectionals, however, we were 1-2. But because I think we've crashed tennislink, I can't really check to see what happened to the ladies we played at Sectionals. My guess...they all got the bump. I stayed home.
     
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  41. ksteph

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    I can't even get on Tennislink to check out the ratings. Even though my captain has made me aware of my rating.

    Cindy---as far as the teammate that was moved down. That was her plan. She didn't want to be a 4.0. Now we can be partners again!!!
     
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  42. Angle Queen

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    Agreed. I normally don't throw such things out but felt obligated to qualify it. My source is/was connected. Some digging (on her part) is in order. I would love to have a specific example to give her but telling her I read the contradiction from someone on the internet is about as good as me saying "a birdy" told me. ;)
     
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  43. Brown&Gold

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    Once again the USTA doesn't disappoint. I appealed last summer to get moved from a 4.0 to 3.5 due to a double knee transplant. I was turned down flat and didn't play any league or tournaments all summer because I knew that I wouldn't be able to compete at the 4.0 level. Today, the USTA determines I'm a 3.5. I'm glad I was moved down, but kind of ticked that I lost a whole league season. That's the USTA for yeah. No rhyme or reason for anything that they do.
     
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  44. JoelDali

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    Where does 'it' allow you to appeal?
     
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  45. NoSkillzAndy

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    If you enter your USTA # when you look up your rating, it should give you the option to appeal the rating.
     
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  46. AutoXer

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    I got my C, so no more having to throw games to keep it close. I can now sandbag without fear of the DQ. :D


    Just kidding. I don't have to throw games to keep it close :(
     
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  47. film1

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    I bet you would have found a few of the people playing 4.0 were not as good as some of the top 3.5 players.
     
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  48. duketennisgal

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    Interesting, I didn't get bumped but did advance to states last year so I am now a 4.5 B. The interesting thing is that it is giving me the option to appeal. I wouldn't think of it, 4.5 is where I belong but since when can you appeal a B rating?
     
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  49. spiderman123

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    Stop doing that. I cannot even load that page to check my rating.
     
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  50. JavierLW

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    You mean you dont have to sandbag....
     
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