2010 Yr end ratings

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  1. vizsla

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    Any word if the year end ratings will be published around the same time as years prior (usually the Monday after Thanksgiving)???
     
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  2. Jim A

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    we've heard that it will be status quo here in CO
    won't matter much to me as I only played 2 tournaments and 1 League match...won some matches against some who will likely be bumped..but likely not enough body of work to join them..and I'm ok with that
     
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  3. tennis_tater

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    We've been told the new ratings will come out the week after the last mixed national championships, which ends on Nov. 21st. The results from the mixed championships is needed to factor in to the year-end ratings for mixed exclusive players. So, with the tournament ending on Sunday, Nov. 21st, I would expect the new ratings to come out within the following week (Monday or Tuesday after Thanksgiving).
     
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  4. njsigman

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    Anyone have any insight on the "adjustments"? Are we to expect similar % of bump ups as last year?
     
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  5. tennis_tater

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    This was posted on our state's website today:

    The rating calculation process for 2010 ratings is underway. It will include matches played from Nov 2nd 2009 thru Oct 31st 2010. The expected date of publication is November 29th 2010
     
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  6. 86golf

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    I've heard ALTA players can get their new USTA ratings now by signing up for ALTA team.
     
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  7. dlk

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    I'm confused, according to USTA, my year-end is not until like end of FEB 2011. Am I reading wrong or is it state dependent? Or maybe related to last rating period?
     
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  8. dizzlmcwizzl

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    A guy who is a coordinator for a local district told us to expect another bump up of approximately the same magnitude. He claimed that this was always supposed to be a 2-year process.
     
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  9. heninfan99

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    I was informed by a USTA rep that year end ranking would be published to tennislink Dec. 1st.
     
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  10. njsigman

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    Thanks for the info. I hope to be moved up to 3.5, but I might be borderline.. :neutral:
     
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  11. JavierLW

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    That would be stupid. Hopefully he doesnt know what he's talking about.

    The logistics of it are just not ideal if they want to really be about growing tennis.
     
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  12. Angle Queen

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    Greeaaat. Now I'm screwed.

    Oh well. Next level up, here we come. Gonna getcha!
     
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  13. michael_1265

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    Maybe this bump will finally cure my terminal case of 3.0.

    I feel like a kid who has repeated 8th grade three times. Some of the people I started with in 2007 are 4.0s now.
     
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  14. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Well, I will say that he did have inside knowledge. He rattled off a list of 8-10 folks I know and play with that would be bumped up for early start ratings and gave their ratings to the hundreths place. Sure enough every one was bumped up. That does not mean he was right about the mass bump ups but it certainly confirmed his credibility for me.
     
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  15. tennislefty

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    ratings will be released around 11/28. In my local league we were told not to expect any huge number of players changing like last year. Everyone's ratings are adjusted at the end of each year, regarless of when and how many matches you play each season.
     
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  16. JLyon

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    umm people tennislink says the Ratings are underway and should be published by Nov. 29th!!
    national.usta.com
    Stop making up the dates and go by what the USTA Site says.
     
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  17. michael_1265

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    Now what fun would that be????

    Baseless conjecture and unsupported facts are the American Way.
     
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  18. robby c

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    Especially for the News Media.

    Robby C
     
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  19. tennis_tater

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    I thought the new ratings always came out the week after Thanksgiving so that the new ratings would take into account the results from the mixed national championships held in November. From the above wording found on Tennis Link, that appears to not be the case.
     
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  20. azentropy

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    I'm surprised the cutoff is Oct 31st... Also read in the past it was after the mixed national championships (and the others) were completed.

    If someone gets bumped, who wasn't bumped in the early start list, and is currently an early start league are they then ineligible to complete the season?
     
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  21. marcl65

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    I heard the opposite

    That’s too funny. I talked to a league rep a few weeks ago who said the USTA basically admitted that this year’s bump up was a mistake, largely due to it severely depleting the 2.5-3.0 levels in some/many areas. Per this individual they were going to “correct” this by freezing the ratings, i.e. few move up, few move down. However, if this is true, I can’t see how it will correct anything.
     
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  22. stever

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    I play in a couple early start leagues now. There was one player in our 3.5 league the was DQ'd and bumped to 4.0 on November 1st. There have been no others that I am aware of. Do you think there could be anymore? It would really suck if we play 2-3 more matches and then find out on 11/29 someone gets DQ'd. Thanks.
     
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  23. heninfan99

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    Okay, I'll take the bait. :) How is learning your ranking on this day ruinous to USTA membership?

    ps - ruinous is the word of the day.




     
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  24. heninfan99

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    damn...time to go recruiting.

     
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  25. NoSkillzAndy

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    Assuming you're not being sarcastic... He's alluding to the notion that massive NTRP bump-ups might upset the player base to the point where significantly less people will participate in USTA leagues and USTA tournaments.
     
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  26. tennisplayer3275

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    According to one of the Colorado USTA Directors, this year's move up would not be simlar to last year's. This year is supposed to be a normal movement. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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  27. Islandtennis

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    3275 is right except for the 4.5 and up levels.
     
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  28. tennis_tater

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    We've heard the opposite from our state league coordinator, who has told us to expect the same bump up as last season. I'm not sure any of these guys really know. Guess we'll all find out soon enough.
     
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  29. Cindysphinx

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    My guess is that this year will be "normal." A good number of people who were bumped last year will move back down, especially the seniors who were bumped up based on seniors results but then got hammered at their new level.

    Which means that those of us who were on top of our rating level in 2010 will now have more competition.

    As for me, I expect to stay 3.5 based on some lame results at the tail end of the spring season. That's OK. And if I get bumped up, that will be OK too although I'd rather stay 3.5 one more season.
     
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  30. rainman007

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    In my opinion, the formula will be back to normal but more bump ups will occur than normal because of the bump ups from last year.. For example a player that should have stayed 3.5 but got bumped to 4.0 because extra points were added to the formula had to play 4.0.. All the average 4.0's that beat the 4.0 who should have been a 3.5 would get bumped this year. That should happen across the board on every level.. however in my opinion i have no proof i dont think they added any points to the formula this year it would just be a reflection of what happened last year.. I dont have a clue though just an opinon.
     
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  31. rainman007

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    Oh and i bet only like 3 percent of players get moved down.. Their idea in starting this was to get more 4.5 players i think, but all the process really did was make a new self rated players beginning level a 3.0 instead of 2.5
     
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  32. Ennismt

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    Yea, I am curious whether the bump ups that got beat regularly will stay or be moved down based on this year's play. This will affect a lot of the ratings. If they move back down, then I wonder what the bump ups did in the first place. If they stay, then there will likely be another shift but based more on play than computer adjustment.
     
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  33. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Yea... same here. I was told to expect the same magnitude of inflation
     
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  34. J_R_B

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    Did the USTA have the "adjustment" in the Early Start ratings last year? Or were there a lot of differences from the early start to the year-end rankings? It doesn't look like there is a lot of unusual movement (in or out of 4.0 anyway) in the early start ratings for Eastern or Middle States.
     
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  35. dizzlmcwizzl

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    In the middle states no indication of movement happened in Early Start last year ... this led to a lot of players that finished the mix season playing below their year end ratings.

    You cannot read year end movement from the early start movement. Last year the adding of points to peoples ratings occured at the very end, after early start.
     
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  36. Islandtennis

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    It will be a normal bump up, but there will not be very many bump downs.
     
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  37. JoelDali

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    I just got back from White Plains where I saw a glimpse of the bump algorithm.

    If your overall win record was 75% and you use lead tape, you will be bumped to 4.5.

    If you complain and wear anything but Nike shoes and use a Babloat, you will be bumped down to 3.5.

    I hope this works out for all of you, that is all.

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  38. vizsla

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    Are you in SC? Did you hear the above from your local and/or state coordinator?
     
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    People on this forum sure have a strange sense of humor... :???:
     
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  40. tennismonkey

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    anyone know how mixed doubles results are calculated?
     
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    ^ not calculated unless you only play mixed. then you receive a mixed exclusive rating.
     
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  42. JavierLW

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    Yes that is exactly what I am alluding to.

    I am always for players getting bumped up when they exceed to a certain extent.

    But to do it to that extent all at once was nuts.

    You take 50% of all the 3.0's and throw them in 3.5. And then 35% of all the 3.5's and move them to 4.0.

    Sure on paper you figure you might have enough players to have a 3.0 league. And same with 3.5, and 4.0.

    But in some cases, guess again. A captain that loses half of their players may only run one team. Which means that either half of his players simply wont play, or they had better hope some other captain picks them up. Logistically you cant expect that they necessarily will. (or that there will be enough captains/teams left to pick up all of the numbers you estimate are out there)

    I decided to go out of my way and run two teams, but most people wont, it's hard enough to run one.

    It was a bad idea, but if they only did it once it could have some benefit. But if they do it every single year, then that just proves that they are morons and they are too unaware to care about getting more participants.

    And again that's speaking from someone that thinks that more players should of been bumped up all along. But to go to that extent every year is going way too far.
     
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  43. kylebarendrick

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    I would think there would be some extra bumps from 4.0 and 4.5 this year as a result of the people who had been 3.5s playing at 4.0. I would hope 3.0 and 3.5 would be pretty static this year.
     
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  44. Angle Queen

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    I'm inclined to lean this way too.

    I think I'll put some of the biggest whiners on my Watch List and see what happens to them. After all their complaining about being moved up, most of them held their own, thank you very much. I look forward to being crushed by them, again, next season. LOL

    All-in-all, though, I think The Bump worked well for the 3.5 women in our area. There's still some sandbagging mess but that's another story. The most important aspect of last year's "adjustments" IMHO was the No-Appeal portion for the vast majority of players. I know several people who were repeatedly bumped...then appealed back down.
     
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  45. michael_1265

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    At least you're not whining about it. I looked at your record, and you have very little chance of staying a 3.5. You racked up a bushel of wins this year :)
     
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  46. Cindysphinx

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    I think we have enough data to see if the dire predictions that the mass bump would kill USTA came true.

    In my league, we have the following pre- and post-bump numbers for numbers of teams at certain levels:

    2009 Ladies 3.5 adult: 20 teams, 356 players
    2010 Ladies 3.5 adult: 23 teams, 394 players

    2009 Fall 7.5 Ladies Combo: 12 team, 189 players
    2010 Fall 7.5 Ladies Combo: 15 teams, 238 players

    2009 Men's 4.0 adult: 12 team, 209 players
    2010 Men's 4.0 adult: 13 teams, 235 players

    Is the story different in other leagues? 'Cause around here, the mass bump seems to have increased player participation if it had any effect at all.
     
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  47. michael_1265

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    What about 3.0? We lost an entire flight in men's in the Richmond area.
     
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  48. dizzlmcwizzl

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    In the delaware district the total number swelled as well. We killed the 3.0 men's division but 3.5, 4.0 and 4.5 men / women all increased in number by more than the 3.0 ranks were depleted.

    Where the problem shone through was in the competitiveness of the new teams. I think from 3.5-4.5 there were 3 new teams with above 500 records.

    In the 4.0 men's adult division half the league were established teams and the other half were new teams. For the entire season with each team playing 15 matches there were only 5-6 matches where a new team knocked off an established team.

    Some of the lineups we put out there against the weaker teams were comical. Against some teams we were using an entire lineup of players who last season were emergency players ..... and winning easily.
     
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  49. Islandtennis

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    No, its more reliable than that.
     
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  50. Jim A

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    When it comes to # of teams at a level we need to also consider the # of players and teams that were playing "up" on a 2nd team.

    From reading the boards it appears that quite a few 3.0 were playing 3.0/3.5, the 3.5's double dipping in 3.5/4.0.

    We don't have that here in Intermountain-CO. You can only play 1 division per season. I didn't see a drop in 3.0 teams when looking back and there was no shortage of 3.5 around Denver. In fact our group went from not having a 3.5 last year to (2) this season (Wash Park).

    The lower rated levels of 2.5/3.0 should be lower so people don't walk in and get rolled.

    What it comes down to for most people that I've met around here at least is that there are other options. There are enough public ladders and courts, that satisfy a lot of people without joining and organization. My ladder opponent the other day had no idea of an USTA league. If you didn't play either out of a tennis club at one point or a large public facility like Gates, you have no exposure to the USTA.

    In addition, a player can sign up on the USTA site for information and be a free-agent, however becoming part of a team is purely a one-way process if a captain calls. Then you have to decide if in most cases you want to join the team. What originally looked like a $21 registration fee now has club dues, court fees, drills etc...

    Another thing to consider for a lot of players is that they may have taken the year off due to the economy. A 3.5 who didn't renew his club membership ($600) took 2 drills/mo @ 24ea for another 600 and 1 lesson/mo @$50...then throw in court time, equipment etc and its closing in on $3k without blinking an eye.

    Adult leagues are, in my opinion, well down on the USTA to-do list. As long as there are enough players to help pay salaries and other programs its ok. There is a lot they can do, however it may not be beneficial for the cost.
     
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