2011 Monte Carlo SF: Rafael Nadal [1] vs. Andy Murray [3]

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Nadal vs. Murray

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  1. rovex

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    Nice lies bundled in there to fit your image of course. Attempting to play the victim, how typical. I think my last post put you in your place:

     
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    That first pic is amazing. Thanks.
     
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    To be fair Murray disgraced himself in the final set getting broken 3 times! 6-1 in the 3rd set does not equate to "almost had him" :rolleyes:
     
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    The cortisone injection for his injured elbow had worn off.Don't you think this might have had some bearing on his 3rd set 'disgrace'?? :rolleyes:
     
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    Rafa won this tournament in the past 6 years. He's one match away of winning his 7 consecutive title.
    That's ridiculous.
    You can't expect him to perform each and every time at his best.
    He's not at the beginning of his career. He might have 24 years but if you look at what he achieved in the past few years, I think he exceeded anyone's expectations.
    He can't go on like this forever.
     
  8. Cassius Clay

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    Nadal of 2006 owned everyone on clay, so you shouldn't be disappointed with his performance ON CLAY today.
     
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    Complaining about Rafa's form is quite unnecessary if not downright weird. He didn't play his very best for sure but he still won comfortably in the end; and Murray actually played some great tennis with a good game plan. It still almost took the life out of Murray to win a set, that's telling something about Rafa.
     
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    http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/sto...sts-Andy-Murray-at-Monte-Carlo-Masters-041611

    Tired Nadal outlasts hobbled Murray in Monaco

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    Rafa, who came through in an enthralling, high class encounter 6-4, 2-6, 6-1 to reach the final here for the seventh straight year knows what it is like to play injured against Murray (he was unfit in the 2008 U.S. Open semifinal) and now Murray had played injured against him.

    For the second straight tournament Nadal admitted to feeling "really, really tired." That was what he said after losing to Novak Djokovic in the final of the Sony Ericsson Open in Miami two weeks ago and it was the same here.

    "I am sure he was tired, too, but at the end of the second set, I was dead," Nadal said.

    This is slightly ominous for Nadal's chances of continuing his amazing run at the Monte Carlo Country Club where he has not lost a match since Guillermo Coria beat him in 2003. Sunday he was due to meet fellow Spaniard David Ferrer — a long distance runner if ever tennis has had one — in the final.
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    Yes, that's true. Rafa still looks good.
    But it was a great comeback, though, for Muurya, after his sojourn in the bog.
     
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    Agree with this, he was in beast mode in set 3. It is really worrying that he's been tired for the second time this year, rare for him to be exhausted so much.
     
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    I think you have to give Andy some credit for it. He pushed Rafa around a lot in the second set, similar to how Novak played against him in Miami and Indian Wells. They seem to be on to something. They hammer his backhand and he's not able to turn it around so easily.
     
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    I don't know what's more surprising-Rafa being challenged on clay, or the fact that that challenger was Andy Murray. Anyway, great job Andy M!!!!!!!
     
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    Oh for sure, he played great in the second set. Great gameplan. I just mean it's not like Rafa to admit in a press conference that he's tired and he's done it 2 tournaments in a row now.
     
  17. powerangle

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    No one is perfect. The fact that Nadal played crappy (as you have suggested) today and STILL won, says a lot about Nadal's abilities on this surface.

    So what if Nadal plays mainly defensive tennis? His opponent got outplayed and outfought.
     
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    It's one thing to defend well and another to push.

    Nadal usually dictates with the fh on clay, working the angles and being solid on the BH side. When he gets attacked, he tries a pass of either wing.

    For most of this match Nadal was hitting his fh down the center, very rarely down the line or angled. The BH was either short or long and loopy. It's no accident that he got back into this match once he actually started firing some BH into Andy's fh side.

    And don't get me started on his ROS :oops:

    The point I am trying to make is that I would like to see some good CC tennis from Nadal, like all his fans do, and this week he hasn't brought it. He's become FH man, who runs away from his BH like crazy and who stays passive throughout a match.

    Watch Nadal in MC 2010 and in 2011. Big,big difference.
     
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    He said so in shanghai last year, then in WTF after Murray match, same thing. I mean, by the third set Murray himself looked beat. Completely exhausted. I want to see the full presser, I never trust bits here and there. It certainly is unusual for him to be tired, but he's also being pushed to the max. The "positive thing" is that he didn't look tired in the third set, like in IW. Now THAT was worrisome. I suppose we'll see how the year will play out. I certainly hope he doesn't have some sort of bug lingering from Doha. I wish he'd skip Barcelona, maybe he will, it's important for him to stay fresh, and well rested.
     
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    Why don't you make any excuses for Murray? He had the lower 1st serve % and higher unforced error count. Must we bring in his sore arm? How much did that affect him in the 3rd set? How much did it affect his serving? Had it been Nadal, i'm pretty certain you would have brought that up by now.
     
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    It's not a bug from Doha, it's a consequence of mileage FIRST and foremost. Nadal already has 7 years on tour and he's not getting younger. And second, because of doing inane stuff like doubles, dead dc rubbers, mickey mouse tournaments, meaningless exhos in three continents and 18 holes of golf on rest days.

    Nadal was also tired before Doha -in WTF 2010 final after he came from a 5 week break. Where as old man Fed was playing back to back tournaments during that time. Nadal looked slower in WTF 2010 final than he did even at the Madrid 2009 Final where he was injured and played 4 hrs the day before.

    Anyway, Nadal won't skip Barcelona, if hell should freeze over. He said as much recently.
     
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    My dad is a consultant anaesthetist and pain specialist, and he has told me that, it would take 48 hours to even know for sure if a cortisone injection is going to work appropriately, so it is fair to say that IF there was any injection it was not a factor in this match at all.
     
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    He obviously had an off day. He didn't feel confident enough on his forehand or in his overall game. He still was able to come through though.
     
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    News flash this just in, Nadal was injured in the second set but made a full recovery in the third set (except for a slight relapse of unbearable pain just before he lost a game).

    It was later found to be a severe case of wedgy he was said to be suffering from. He is expected to make a full recovery for the final when he will play fellow Spaniard David Ferrer (unless he loses more then 10 games).
     
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    I respect your opinion, but disagree. However we shall leave it there to keep our relationship civil. :D
    I hear ya though, in my opinion it's just been a tough year. A lot of pressure and disappointment for him. I could be wrong, but I'll hold off till the end of the year to jump to conclusions.
     
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    True. Whatever the reason for his physical maladies, the fact is that he cannot maintain a 2008 like schedule. His body does not allow it. Last year he was lucky to have to skip Barcelona bcoz of knee treatment and Queens loss to Lopez because he was not 100%. This worked well in F.O and Wimb.

    This year he's playing probably like 19 matches before F.O. If he's not careful, this could be like 2009 where he left slams on the table. Already he's had so many withdrawals,, retirements, injury induced exit at the slam level. The window of opportunity is closing what with guys like Djokovic, Delpo , Murray getting to their prime and new threats appearing on the horizon.

    Nadal doesn't have the same luxury w.r.t his competition that Fed did from '03-'07.
    IMO Rafa is already losing ground w.r.t rivals who are steadily getting better and stronger..
     
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    Rafa post Semi presser: I knew that, "I was dead in the second set was bs." That's not even something he would say!

     
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    Did Murray died?
     
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    They did a feature on it on Identification Discovery (ID). They found out that Michael had met the cancer patient and his mother at a car rental place. He tried to help them, taking them all over the country, on tours, and treating them like kings. But, they got greedy and developed a sense of entitlement. Soon they started extorting him for money, and going with his lawyer's recommendation he went against his gut and didn't fight it.

    The other guy he was accused of molesting later admitted that his parents made him say those things. Racked with guilt he later committed suicide.

    It's easy for people to accuse people, but few ever go back to check the "facts."

    I'm sure those interested in the truth can get a transcript from ID. It was proven that he wasn't a pedophile, but some people believe the first thing they hear, and assume the worst.
     
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    NOPE! Nor is he allowed to be hurt, rusty, or have an off day...and they say we think Nadal's a god. How rich is that?
     
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    I didn't know about the dad. ON ID they talked about the boy (then a man) who committed suicide.

    Anyway, ID does a great series where they go back over these sensational cases and show the evidence that wasn't submitted and how they tracked down the true culprit.

    They recently did one on the Jon Benet Ramsey case. They caught the guy after seven years and the mother went to her death still being accused by many who didn't know the particulars of the case and simply swallowed whatever the media said.

    Same thing with the Chandra Levy/Gary Condit case. He was innocent as well. But, I'm sure many will not go back to see what really happened.
     
  32. nadalbestclass

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    For shuuure if Nadal gonna lose a set on clay it gonna mean that he not gonna win any other tournaments, no? Seriouzly, is true, he not playing perfect, but play perfect all the times is impossible, no? Important thing is win, everything else comes after.
    :)
     
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    Yep, people like to believe what's convenient. Ridiculous really. Brilliant plan though... target a guy who openly loves kids, then who will second guess you?
     
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    It was never proven that he was not a pedophile, I beg to differ. The general public does not have access to much of the pertinent information in the civil and criminal cases. TV shows that are done are biased in either direction depending on who is producing the show. They all start out with a particular bias and continue that trend throughout the show setting out to prove their bias. For every show or article stating that MJ is innocent, there are equal number of shows or articles stating the reverse.

    If you are in the legal profession or know many people in that profession there are things you may know that the general public does not know. Being found not guilty does not mean a person is innocent as I am sure you do know. I will leave it at that. I realize that the MJ case really fires up two sets of opposing sides and people are fierce in their beliefs on one side or the other, but once again. the public does not have all of the facts and when a person has fame and money it is much easier to get better legal assistance, etc. MJ had the best PR firms working on his PR image during the times of the lawsuits filed. There are many many families that were paid off that the public has no clue about. I always pay people off when I am innocent, NOT!!!! Not the proper place in this thread to go into the details of this at all, so I will drop it.
     
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    Ask your Dad what local anaesthetic is usually taken in conjunction with cortisone and how long that local anaesthetic lasts.

    Murray spoke in his presser about having a numb elbow - that was caused by the local, not the cortisone. The local would start to wear off after a few hours.

    But all of those are facts which might cause you to view Murray in a positive light - and I know how difficult you find that to do.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cortisone-shots/MY00268
     
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  37. Legend of Borg

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    I has a sad.
     
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    And on that note.
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    Moving right along to tennis.
     
  39. sbengte

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    Back to the future ?
    It is a tough life rooting for Murray :(
     
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    Hahaha!

    I agree. Moonwalking right along with ya!
     
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    Only if this was wimbledon would Murray have a chance.
     
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    Worst #3 ever
     
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    Why has this thread been bumped up??? :confused:
     
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    Pretty soon he will be the worst #2 ever. :)
     
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    So your saying the guy who Murray lost to the last 3 slams in a row, is going to fall below him in the rankings, okay.
     
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    the muzzette has already been ranked #2 in 2009...
     
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    Yep. It can happen by April, I've worked out the math.

    Nadal after Australian Open is defending every single final along with the Monte Carlo-Barcelona-French Open, which Djokovic will have his eyes on (and will probably win).

    Murray on the other hand is defending next to zero for about 3 months of the tour and is the in-form not injured man of the top 4 right now, if he wins London and possibly Australian Open then a few SF results in Dubai/Rotterdam/Indian Wells/Miami then Nadal will be sniffing Murray's backside in the rankings.

    If you want more details, just ask.
     
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