2012 ATP World Tour Finals: [2]Roger Federer vs [1]Novak Djokovic

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Who wins?

  1. Djokovic

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  2. FedExpress

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  1. Goosehead

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    top match..shame there wasnt a third set..

    thats the thing with tennis..the end of the match can gallop into view at great speed.
     
  2. PrinceMoron

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    Wish the camera wouldn't go to the trophy before the match is over.
     
  3. sbengte

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    This is so true. Just before the semifinal, no one gave Fed a chance against Murray. I think he gave everything he could after playing 3 days in a row and coming from a long and tiring season (it is the same for all, but he is 31 year old unlike his younger counterparts). First question that comes up when Nadal loses is if he is injured while it is funny that no one even thinks of the possibility that the old guy may be having physical issues which made him serve poorly.

    That said, Novak deserves the title for the way he played all week and for his amazing comeback after being down in both sets. Congrats to him on his second WTF title.
     
  4. tennisenthusiast

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    And this is exactly what has happened. I knew Djokovic and Federer very well.
     
  5. Goosehead

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    .................:)
     
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    um bongo um bongo they drink it in the o2.
     
  7. LBR1

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    Those two shots in the row in the second set to save break point, the stab volley and the blind pass, may the greatest two saves ever made in succession. It's too bad he was broke two points later and lost the match. It was close, very close.

    Roger's a sensitive artistic gentleman so may be prone to going off rail slightly more often. I cut him that much slack.
     
  8. flyinghippos101

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    This match will go down as yet another one of those matches Fed could have won, arguably maybe "should" have won. But regardless, people shouldn't be too disheartened. The fact that Fed was able to make it to the finals for a third straight year and was in a great position to run away with it is awesome in itself
     
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    Don't know if someone posted or not, but here you go!
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  10. Prisoner of Birth

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    I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word "choke" means.
     
  11. NatF

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    Federer's serve wasn't there enough, if he served more like he normally does when his whole game is clicking he wouldn't have given away those breaks IMO. He fought hard but physically by the end he didn't have much left. A good effort, he can still bring it against the big guys.
     
  12. Clarky21

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    Based on these numbers,neither one of them really played all that great. Too bad Fed couldn't hold it together and beat The Unsightly One.
     
  13. tennisenthusiast

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    From merriam-webster dictionary:
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    to lose one's composure and fail to perform effectively in a critical situation
    < had a chance to win the game but he choked >

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    Didn't Djokovic choke and give his first service game away in both the sets. On both those occasions, he was down, he dug deep and came out with a W. Now, go figure, Prisoner of Birth! :)
     
  14. TennisLovaLova

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    Faster courts and fed would have won this easy
     
  15. Murrayfan31

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    Wrong. Nice try. Federer is just too old to compete with prime Djokovic. Expect the rivalry to go a complete 360 (btw this is a joke. I know it is 180).
     
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    So how did old man Federer bagel Djokovic in Cincinnati or defeat him in the W final? Federer is definitely getting older and declining but he is right up there with Djokovic still.
     
  17. NadalAgassi

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    The impressive win is Cincinnati. Djokovic is not that good a grass court player, much weaker than Federer, Nadal, and even Murray, and it is unlikely he will ever win Wimbledon again. Not surprising at all even today Federer would beat him there.
     
  18. cc0509

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    True Djokovic is not the best grass player but Djokovic has improved on that surface. Note the win over Nadal in 2011 at W and Nadal is a better grass player than Djokovic. In any case, Federer's win at 31 is still impressive over a prime Djokovic at any slam.
     
  19. NadalAgassi

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    Well 2011 was set up perfectly for Djokovic to win Wimbledon. Nadal was so much his slave that year surface didnt matter, not even clay. Avoided Federer and Murray. Was in the form of his life. I am happy for him he took that chance to win a Wimbledon, since he probably wont have another one. He has improved on grass but he still isnt that good. Just look at the Olympics, not only losing in straight sets to Murray, but even to Del Potro, whose worst surface is also grass, who is Djokovic's slave on any other surface over the years, and was probably rubber legged after a 4 hour marathon with Federer. Then his previous Wimbledons before 2011 losing to 30 something Haas, washed up old Safin, and getting spanked by his slave Berdych. Even in 2011 nearly going 5 sets with teenaged Tomic at the late quarterfinal stage, but his draw to the final was a cakewalk that year.
     
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    Old is relative. He will lose to anyone from top 100 when he is 52 years old. Right now he is old enough not to be the favorite against the other top 4, even indoors.

    Murray should have won that semi-final. He choked.
     
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    That is all well and good and nice in theory but the fact is that in 2012 Federer is 3-2 over Murray and until Murray starts to defeat Federer in majors, Murray is not the favorite.
     
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    That is probably true in 2012. Next year I expect Murray to become 1 year stronger and Federer to become 1 year older. That may tip the scales in Murray's favor.
     
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    Could be, who knows. Just like people keep counting Nadal out, as long as Nadal and Federer are both around and competitive you can't count either one out. Do you really think either would play if they could not be competitive? They will retire before that happens.
     
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    Nadal would. There are exo$ to be played,you know. Lol.
     
  25. NadalAgassi

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    People thought the U.S Open might be the turning point for Murray but he has lost to Djokovic twice since, blowing chances to win both (mega chances in the Shanghai final), and lost to Federer again in a major event. Obviously still too early to coronate him the new king of tennis. I would still favor all of Djokovic, Nadal, and even Federer over him in a grand slam match until proven otherwise.
     
  26. TennisLovaLova

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    what's the point of following the atp tour now really?

    You watch a very offensive tennis player like Federer hitting insane shots, shots that on fast surfaces no one could ever return.
    The guy is playing vs his opponent and also vs the court now!
    What happened monday night is a phucking disgrace.

    Nole won only because:
    1/ he plays insane baseline defensive tennis (because court slow conditions allow it)
    2/ he's lucky (really, that's scary), some call it clutch, I call it luck
    3/ he's an opportunist (waiting for fed to make UE after 15+ shots rallies)
    4/ the surface is very slow and rebound is high

    The positive thing now to make things change in the future is that Nole admitted to points 3. Ok, the thing is you have to be able to do that vs Federer but Nole could and always will do that.
    Now everyone has to push in the same direction and make surfaces faster for the show and sake of tennis.
     
  27. Rozroz

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    i mostly agree.
     
  28. djokovic2008

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    lol what rubbish, fed ran more than djoker on monday and moved fed around with insane angles. If you knew anything about tennis you can see nole is the ULTIMATE baseliner with EQUALLY good attack and defense hence why he is the best in world at the moment.
     
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    It's not rubbish. That post was spot on and the only reason you fail to see it is because you're blinded by tardism.
     
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    Novak does NOT have equally good attacking skills as Federer. Federer is by far the better attacker. Novak is better at this point from the baseline than Federer is and can camp there all day long. Novak just waits for Federer to create an error by hitting back one more shot. He is NOT, I repeat is not, a better attacker than Federer!
     
  31. RF20Lennon

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    Hats off!! This is gospel
     
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    Djokovic and good attacking?? Please mate... The only reason he's the best in the world is because fed is old and surfaces are so damn slow. Remember Cincy? Wimby? Those courts require ATTACKING tennis and federer bested djokovic both times despite being 31
     
  33. TennisLovaLova

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    I agree. Most balanced yes.
    Fed had to create those angles cause slow surface doesnt allow to finish pikts quickly.
    About running: there was a stat at the beginning of the final showing that Djoko ran 30% more all season than Fed. Which proves once again point #3
    Anyway, Djoko himself admitted to point 3 so I guess he also knows nothing about tennis if I understand what you say.
     
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    Fed ran more than djoker on Monday EXPLAIN that? Djoker hit 19 winners do there goes your defensive theory.
     
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    Lol so in door hard court is not a fast environment? When he has been winning this tournament you tards kept saying he wins it because it's fast and he is the best indoors well djoker showed he can play on fast conditions too ala whipping fed two years in a row at the USO a fast event.
     
  36. NadalAgassi

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    Djokovic was more offensive when he was younger. In the 2008 Australian Open match he hit the same # of errors as Federer and many more winners. He relies more on defense now but can still overpower and outmaneuver opponents with fabulous groundstrokes, and his return of serve can be scary.
     
  37. TennisLovaLova

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    Why do you persist on denying something Djokovic himself admitted?
    If he's ok with winning ugly so should you.
     
  38. Tony48

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    Fed scrambling to explain why Fed lost. Sure he wasn't injured, too?
     
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    I liked the 2008 Novak much better than what he is now. I think Novak kind of figured out that having enormous baseline exchanges is the only way to counter nadal and win slams.

    He re-modeled his game style to outlast Nadal and eventually win slams.
     
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    He used to rip winners all over the place but ball bashing only gets you so far now his game is more rounded an cultured with a brain to match.
     
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    Whipping Federer two years in a row at the USO? Both of those matches went to five sets and could have gone either way. There was no whipping involved.

    The point is people are responding to your claim that Djokovic is a better attacking player than Federer and that is a preposterous claim. Only way for Djokovic to defeat Federer is to play better defense and force Federer to make an error. When Federer is on with his attacking game and makes less errors Djokovic can't beat him and certainly can't beat Federer with a better attacking game!
     
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    But if Djokovic forced Federer to make errors, that is forced errors, not unforced!
     
  43. Prisoner of Birth

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    You don't force paint to dry. It dries by itself.
     
  44. Gonzo_style

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    Good comparison, btw check Grundee's signature
     
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    I think you mean he found himself a really good doctor to cook him up a magic potion,otherwise,Cvac would still be sitting on one slam.
     
  46. Prisoner of Birth

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    Post it here and I might bother.
     
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    Yes, forced errors, unforced errors, whatever kind of errors, Djokovic is NOT a better attacking player than Federer is. Djokovic is all about great defense. He can defeat Federer by hanging back on the baseline and getting Federer to hit that extra shot, he is not going to defeat Federer because he is the better attacking player!
     
  48. Tony48

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    So Fed's offense isn't good enough to penetrate Djokovic's defense? Oh well.
     
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    Not anymore, it isn't. Except on Grass and quick Hards.
     
  50. cc0509

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    Sure it is. It is just as Federer gets older he makes more errors. Considering the head to head for this year is 3-2 for Djokovic, I would say that Federer can still keep up with Djokovic most of the time, wouldn't you? ;)
     

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