2012 ATP World Tour Finals: [2]Roger Federer vs [1]Novak Djokovic

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Frying Pan Forehand, Nov 11, 2012.

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Who wins?

  1. Djokovic

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  2. FedExpress

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  1. cc0509

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    Not so. What about the FO 2011?
     
  2. Tony48

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    So why are you whining?
     
  3. cc0509

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    I am not whining. I am just trying to say that Djokovic is not a better attacking player than Federer is. Djokovic's defense is better than current Federer's.
     
  4. Tony48

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    Djokovic isn't a better attacking player than the greatest player of all time?

    You sure about that?
     
  5. cc0509

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    Pretty darn sure! :)
     
  6. Prisoner of Birth

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    What part of "not anymore" didn't you understand? French Open 2011 was 1.5 years ago. Not saying Federer is incapable of beating Djokovic on Clay, because he is, but Djokovic is more likely to win those matches right now. Because his defense is better than Federer's offense on Clay right now. But on his day, Federer can still beat him.
     
  7. kragster

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    Djoker's defense ( or Nadal's for that matter) is better than ANY Federer's defense (prime or not). Fed's offense on the other hand is what was >> Djoker's and what makes him GOAT.
     
  8. 5263

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    I charted 7 games of the 1st set and DJ's % on attacking short balls was far
    better than Fed's for those games.
     
  9. ledwix

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    I think the motivation for Federer will also be related to how long he's willing to push to win that elusive 18th slam title. I doubt he will win AO2013; more likely Djokovic or Murray the way conditions have been. And RG2013 is also very unlikely. If Nadal doesn't win it then Djokovic probably will. Wimbledon 2013 may be his last chance unless he wants to play past 33. Hopefully he does.
     
  10. djokovic2008

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    I can show many clips when djoker ran fed ragged and blasted winners past him from both sides. Thats what makes him more complete he has no weakness, he won't shank backhands into the stands ala fed. Yes his defense is the best of all time thats just back up how good he is and why he has been the best for two years. Even 2011 his h2h over fed was 5-2 but you tards just talk about the FO 2011 its too funny.
     
  11. Prisoner of Birth

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    5-2 over 30 year-old Federer is something to gloat about now? Head-to-heads mean nothing, anyway, unless the players are of the same age, and play evenly across all ages and all surfaces. Having said that, Federer still leads the stupid head-to-head. So there goes your "argument".

    PS - You know what the real head-to-head tally is? Federer : 17, Djokovic : 5.
     
  12. Prisoner of Birth

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    Federer has a realistic chance of winning at Wimbledon and the US Open, perhaps more likely Wimbledon because of fewer natural grasscourters than hardcourters in the field. That said, he has a shot at the Australian Open and at the French Open if the stars align, and he plays 2 incredible matches, or if 1 or more of Djokovic, Nadal and Murray are upset.

    That said, I'd be happy with Federer finishing with 18 Slams (or even 17, to be honest). I think his chances of finishing with 18 (or more) is about 75%.
     
  13. djokovic2008

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    How do you work that out in your delusional world.
     
  14. Prisoner of Birth

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    Butthurt :)
     
  15. joeri888

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    Or just plain stupid. I think he seriously didn't get it ;)
     
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    It depends on whose side Murray falls. I doubt Rafa will make any impact in 2013 AO after his long absence. Rafa may be a title conetender in AO 2014.

    However as far as AO 2013 is considered, if Murray takes out Djokovic in a SF, which is not that impossible, Roger can still win AO.

    RG 2013 is impossible. It's Rafa's without an iota of doubt
     
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    Please let us not be ridiculous. US Open is not anymore a fast event. They have slowed down the speed of surface a lot in 2002 and 2003. It's fast compared to AO, but it's not fast by any yardstick. O2 at London is not a fast event, the only advantage Roger had there is the bounce was low. That's what enabled him to beat Rafa last year. On a fast court, the ball will not sit up after bouncing. It will just move through the court.
    Also it was never whipping by any standards as in both matches Roger had two match points each :wink:

    The only fast surface on ATP tour is Cincinnati.
     
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  18. djokovic2008

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    Please I got it alright when it comes to intellect i'm ten levels above you fools I just engage in your nonesense so you have some sort of life.
     
  19. djokovic2008

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    Hey joey keep out of it as you never have a clue going by most of your posts.
     
  20. djokovic2008

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    They are fast enough, fed said so of the o2 so next excuse please.
     
  21. TennisLovaLova

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    Fact 1: djoko says the courts are slow which allows one and only one possible strategy: defending and make points last longer and wait for the UE

    Fact 2: your superior intellect makes you believe and say that the above fact is wrong, refusing to admit what your master thinks about his current tennis style

    Conclusion: you're talking nonsense or just trolling around
     
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    Haha, wow. I don't know you. Opposed to many, I am never suggesting that I know everything about tennis, so I won't disagree with you about that. I honestly had the idea that you did not get it the first time. I don't stay out of a discussion, but if it's something 'personal between just the two of you', then I'll be more than happy to stay out of them.
     
  23. Tafmatch

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    Well Djoko, Joeri is one of the more reasonable posters on this forum. Reading your posts in this topic I get the impression that you seem to be a troll who doesn't know yet that he's a troll.
     
  24. Murrayfan31

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    Djokovic is the greatest. That is all.
     
  25. djokovic2008

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    Ok no problem as I dont have any particular beef with you, but if have not guessed by now I specialize on laying the SMACK down on ******* fools i'm like an exterminator and there is plenty of work to do on here. And with djoker dominating more work is good so stay out of the firing line otherwise you'll get caught in the blaze like the rest of them.
     
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  26. djokovic2008

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    Hey rookie keep it shut and let the bigger boys get stuck in, when you have something worth while to say then I'll point your faults too. p.s Djoker ATP number one.
     
  27. Tafmatch

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    Grow up. Seriously.
     
  28. djokovic2008

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    Then don't involved with stupid comments and you'll be ok :)
     
  29. RF20Lennon

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    Djokovic has the BEST defense EVER. And in slow courts like the O2 combined with feds now slow movement, its obvious fed is going to have to run more and will shank more because his racket head speech is way more than Djokovic's and he uses a smaller head size. But on a fast court like Cincy Fed has Blasted Djokovic out in 2009 (6-1 7-5) and in 2012 (6-0 7-6) precisely why hes beaten him in Wimby this year as well. But on slower courts Djokovic def. has the advantage big time!
     
  30. kragster

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    Quite right, fast courts result in you having a lot more 'awkward' shots to play and Fed's amazing touch allows him to do that. Also Fed's serve is much better than Djoker's so the faster the court, the better for him!
     
  31. djokovic2008

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    Lol whatever makes you sleep at night p.s Dubai is fast and djoker killed fed in straight sets! You have no argument fed got outplayed plain and simple you also forgot to mention djoker is the best returner of ALL TIME.
     
  32. kishnabe

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    Pretty embaressing that a 25 year old stuggles with a 31 year old. You sorta expect Djokovic to win every encounter....but he doesn't. :lol:
     
  33. tennisenthusiast

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    ^^ This sums it all. Discussion over.
     
  34. TTMR

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    It's a good thing Federer hasn't had a "real loss" since 2007, since he is only barely losing to guys he'd steamroll in his prime. I bet prime Roddick or Safin would feast on a 31 year old Federer.
     
  35. cc0509

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    NO, he is not.
     
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    You're wasting your time,cc. Djokotard2008 thinks Cvac has the best serve,return,backhand,forehand,volleys,lobs,movement,footwork,overheads,healed the sick,stopped world hunger,created heaven and earth,can squash you like a bug with his superpowers,more powerful than a locomotive,etc... You'll never convince him Cvac isn't Djesus Christ Superman with a Head racket and wearing Uniqlo. Lol. Nobody in the history of tennis ever did anything better than Djesus in his opinion.


    Forum is putting spaces in my words. I guess even it knows all that stuff is bs. :lol:
     
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  37. NadalDramaQueen

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    Nah, I'm a better returner than Novak. Agassi is a bit better than me though, he had to deal with great serves on faster surfaces.
     
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    Ha, ha. It annoys me when people say Djokovic at age 25 has the best ROS of all time. That is disrespectful of greats before him like Agassi and Connors.
     
  39. Tony48

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    This is hilariously ridiculous.
     
  40. Prisoner of Birth

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    Not really. Djokovic generally beats Federer when his defense outlasts Federer's offense. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Federer, in his prime, used to play defensive Tennis from time to time against guys like Agassi and Safin.
     
  41. flyinghippos101

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    Agree, it's easy to say Novak is a fantastic returner when he's returning heavy top spin serves hit by poly strings on a US Open hard court that has been slowed down considerably since 2002.
     
  42. djokovic2008

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    This is widely known in tennis even the greats admit this and Agassi himself also admits this so who are some pimple *******s who only watch tennis on YouTube and post ridiculous gif images to disagree with pros. Fed himself has said many times and again this week after the straight sets beatdown on Monday that djoker returns are like a BULLET.
     
  43. djokovic2008

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    Lol what you kids don't get that in this day and age athletes are lasting longer with diet nutrition etc when djoker is 31 he will be laying the smack down and won't be getting beat by the top players like nadal murray and djoker are doing to fed.
     
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    What do you mean? 25 is when most players peak, his ROS will not get any better.
     
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    Give me a break. Everyone participating in this silly discussion is a ****. It is probably for the best that everyone just let it go.
     
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    Get Down Make Love.
     
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    I'm down for a GOAT session.
     
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