2012 ATP World Tour Finals: Roger FEDERER vs. Juan Martin DEL POTRO

Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Ico, Nov 8, 2012.

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And the winner is...

Poll closed Nov 10, 2012.
  1. Federer in 2

    34.5%
  2. Federer in 3

    36.4%
  3. Del Potro in 2

    12.7%
  4. Del Potro in 3

    16.4%
  1. Towser83

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    Yes I know you like Djokovic, it's one of the things i most like about you ;)

    Actually I'm torn because if Delpo qualifies does he automatically do it as group winner? I want Delpo in the next round but I don't want a Fed Djokovic semi. So I want Fed vs Murray and Djokovic vs Delpo, but might have to settle for Djokovic vs Ferrer
     
  2. kaku

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    If Fed loses, does Delpo qualify for the SF?
     
  3. Towser83

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    He plays Djokovic in the next round. You're being hard on your man :lol:
     
  4. veroniquem

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    Hey you want the same thing as me! I also wanted Delpo in the semi originally but now it's a bummer because that would mean a Fed/Djoko semi and if this match happens, I'd like to keep it for the final.
     
  5. tudwell

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    You realize Federer lost in the semifinals in 2009? So maybe he was just playing badly?

    Besides, he beat Murray. Why would he tank against Del Potro to knock Murray out when Del Potro is the guy who beat him at a slam final and he had just defeated Murray earlier in the tournament?
     
  6. tudwell

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    I think either Fed-Murray or Fed-Djokovic would make a better final than semifinal, but one of them has to happen in the semis. I doubt he'll win either match as he's in poor form, but we'll see.
     
  7. tudwell

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    I think he has to do it in straights, but I'm not sure.
     
  8. Towser83

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    Actually looking at the scenarios, if Delpo beat Federer in 3 sets and Ferrer beats Tipsy in any amount, apparently Fed will qualify in first and delpo in second.. dunno how that works, but I'm ok with delpo winning in 3 or Federer winning at all.
     
  9. monfed

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    Fed should just tank and save some energy for the SF.
     
  10. smoledman

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    Fed in 2, he's gonna send a message.
     
  11. cc0509

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    No he shouldn't! He should take one match at a time and straight set Del Potro. Seriously, for me Fed's worse loss in a slam final was to Del Potro. *shivers down my spine when I think about it*
     
  12. cc0509

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    In truth, I don't care what Fed decides to do or not do with Del Potro if he ends up winning the tournament but I would rather not see Federer lose to Del Potro. If Fed is going to lose to somebody I would rather he lose to Murray or Djokovic.
    When Fed lost to Del Potro in the USO 2009, I knew for sure he was really on a downward path and his slam winning days would be few and far between. I know Fed started to decline in 2008 but that 2009 loss to Del Potro was really the beginning of the end for me.
     
  13. cc0509

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    So he should listen to a bitter Fed-hater like yourself instead? :)
     
  14. cc0509

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    Please God, no! :cry::cry::)
     
  15. cc0509

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    Didn't Fed beat Djokovic and Murray back to back at W? :oops:
     
  16. NadalDramaQueen

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    Wimbledon is a glorified exhibition at best. :lol:
     
  17. doodlyd

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    This is not your local turney with your friends =))This is atp final ,nobody will tank a match with 130 000$ each and 200 points +...
     
  18. cc0509

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    It will be according to Nadal fans if he loses there again in the second round. :twisted:
     
  19. TheF1Bob

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    What about Ferrer? LOL Nevermind. He plays Novak.

    Got confused. :lol:
     
  20. pame

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    well at least we don't have to wonder what to give veroniquem for Christmas - a tinfoil hat sounds about right - or a tinfoil tank
     
  21. RAFA2005RG

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    You mean because there is no grasscourt season and fewer players know how to play on grass compared to other surfaces? I agree, but its still worth the same as the other slams.
     
  22. tudwell

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    So what does that make the 2012 Olympics?
     
  23. veroniquem

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    So Delpo would have to beat Fed in straights? Not gonna happen (bar blatant tank job lol). That means Fed is pretty much guaranteed to finish 1st of his group.
     
  24. veroniquem

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    Really? And yet Fed still won AO 2010. So the beginning of the end wasn't that horrid after all!
     
  25. veroniquem

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    Not the same: grass, not in form Djoko + 1 day off between matches.
     
  26. MarianArg

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    is this the first or the second match tomorrow?
     
  27. PeteD

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    Centre Court Start 12:00 pm
    [1] Bob Bryan (USA)
    Mike Bryan (USA)
    v
    [3] Leander Paes (IND)
    Radek Stepanek (CZE)

    Not Before 1:45 PM

    [2] Roger Federer (SUI)
    v
    [6] Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)

    Not Before 5:45 PM

    [6] Marcel Granollers (ESP)
    Marc Lopez (ESP)
    v
    [7] Aisam-Ul-Haq Qureshi (PAK)
    Jean-Julien Rojer (NED)

    Not Before 7:15 PM

    [4] David Ferrer (ESP)

    v


    [8] Janko Tipsarevic (SRB)
    H2H
     
  28. veroniquem

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    What do you expect? They wouldn't want Fed to be tired for the semi now, would they.
     
  29. NadalDramaQueen

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    Why does it matter? Isn't Fed going to tank anyway? :lol:
     
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  30. jaggy

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    This is the part of round robins I hate, last group
    matches make you wondering who is trying
     
  31. Towser83

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    I think so yeah. Confusing but I'm going by what the official site says.


    Well he did beat Ferrer, Murray, Soderling, then Djokovic and nadal back to back 2 years ago. Federer has been overall a better player this year than 2010, though it remains to be seen whether his form at this event is as good as 2 years back.
     
  32. Goosehead

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    ive got radio 5live on in the uk (world football phone in..with dotun ad****o and tim vickery:))..and the news break said the same, that fed wins the group..unless he loses to del potro in straight sets,

    also im sure federer really wants to win and pick up another 200 rank points.
     
  33. Goosehead

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    :mad:eh ?? why did they asterisk the surname of dotun A D E B A Y O :confused:
     
  34. merwy

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    Very important match. If Del Potro beats Federer, he might become the #1 in the group and if he loses to Federer he will be eliminated, even if Ferrer loses to Tipsarevic, because of the head-to-head.
     
  35. kishnabe

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    This should have been the second match. At least Ferrer would put better effort if tht were the case.
     
  36. raphMODE

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    Voted Delpo in 3 :
    As Federer is alreay qualified, I really don't imagine him giving all to win the match, like he did in the OG semi, but rather go easy to stay fresh for the semi (maybe just win 1 set to have the 1st place of the group and face Murray instead of Djoko).
     
  37. raphMODE

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    No :
    If Delpo and Ferrer lose, Delpo/Ferrer/Tipsa will have a 1-2 win/lose.
    Head-to-head doesn't apply in a 3-players situation (only in a 2-players one)
    Then, the percentage of set won/lost applies. Delpo can still be qualified then ;)
     
  38. merwy

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    nice one, i had overlooked the fact that Tipsarevic would also be included in the tie
     
  39. sbengte

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    Quite right, I agree. Just like this article :

    http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Doping,-Tennis,-Nadal---Connection-.aspx

    The article itself doesn't conclusively say Nadal is serving a ban for doping but the occurence may be real. If the article even needed to be written, it's because Nadal is suspected of doping by a lot of people. To several people here, the suspicions are legit.
     
  40. Hawkeye7

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    This is actually only partly true. Because if Tipsy beats Ferrer and Fed loses to Del Potro in 3, he would still only finish 2nd behind Del Potro. In a two-player-tie only H2H counts. And since Del Potro would have beaten Federer, he would win the group. Sets W/L records only become relevant if 3 players are tied in match wins.
     
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  41. smoledman

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    I'm pretty sure Nadal is serving a silent ban.
     
  42. raphMODE

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    Actually, according to the WTF website, DelPo would qualifies anyway if Federer and and Tipsa win :
    " Regardless of score, if R. FEDERER defeats J. DEL POTRO and J. TIPSAREVIC defeats D. FERRER, then R. FEDERER wins the group and J. DEL POTRO qualifies 2nd."
    He would have the best set won/loss percentage.

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/Finale SF Qualifications.aspx
     
  43. raphMODE

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    Would be nice if he was invited to the final ceremony to give the trophy :)
     
  44. kalyan4fedever

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    Ferrer is a bigger threat to djoker than del potro. So fed will try to win this match, he is not afraid to play murraa in semis remember he used to kick him in the GS. ( 3 double faults in shanghai explains that he is not his useful self )
     
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  45. sbengte

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    Sorry for derailing the thread bringing in Nadal into the discussion but certain Nadal fans understand only when you talk to them in their language.

    That said, this match is still interesting in that it will decide who qualifies second from Fed's group. The most interesting scenario will be if JMDP tops the group winning in straights. Then Fed plays Djok and JMDP plays Murray in the semis which makes it quite open and anyone's game.

    If instead Fed tops the group and plays Murray in the SF, Murray will be the clear favorite. I think Fed in general has a greater chance of winning the semi against Djoker than Murray.
     
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  46. Duncan Bell

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    Agreed, good to see some sense re: Murray for a change
     
  47. veroniquem

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    That's why I specified IN FORM Djoko and Murray as they appear to be. Djoko was at his worst in 2010 and indoor is not Rafa's forte. It seems to me that it is a bit different this time around. This being said, if Fed is going to do it, sure, grass or indoor would be his best chance.
     
  48. veroniquem

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    And you think Fed doesn't know it? Of course he does. Which is why he could be tempted to tank although his pride may well stand in the way.
     
  49. The Bawss

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    Curse Federer and his principles!
     
  50. cc0509

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    But Fed's record on indoor HC with Djokovic is 3-1 and with Murray it is 3-2. Neither has defeated Federer at London before. If anything Roger has defeated Murray twice at London and Djokovic only once there. Do you really think it is a big difference in Roger's head?

    I say Roger will want to go out there and defeat Del Potro today in order to try and gain some momentum moving forward. It is possible that Federer will go out there and play terribly and lose. Whatever. Either way you are making way too much out of this whole thing when you look at Fed's previous records with Djokovic and Murray on indoor HC.
     

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