2012 College Football

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  1. BigServer1

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    In fairness to the Stanford - Oregon game, our kicker cost us 6 points, and a missed De'Anthony Thomas block early in the game cost us 7. We could have scored 24 ish at least, but we made mistakes and Stanford played very, very well. It was also a poorly called game from Chip Kelly, as he kept going right at Stanford's strengths. What's always missed about that game is the fact that the Oregon defense (banged up as it was) more than held their own, holding Stanford to 14 points in regulation. Florida's offense is pretty bad, so I'd think our defense would be OK.

    Case in point, Oregon State had the 14th ranked rush defense in the country and hadn't allowed 200 rush yards in a game all year. We ran for 430 on them, on the road, and totally dominated their defense.

    Oregon has issues with coming up big in the big game. It's the one real issue I have with Chip Kelly as a coach. He's never lost a game to a team that finished the season unranked, but Oregon tends to make mistakes and bad decisions in really big games that can cost us (Ohio State 2009, Auburn 2010, LSU 2011, USC 2011, Stanford 2012)

    A 16 team playoff is ridiculous, imo. The regular season games wouldn't be as meaningful because 3 losses could still get you into a playoff. The reason everyone loves March Madness is the reason no one cares about the NCAA regular season. 12 losses? NBD, you can still get in, and if you get hot, you could make a run.

    As for the strength of the SEC, it's a top heavy league. The bottom 8 teams in that league are WINLESS against the top 6. The issue with the SEC is that they play 4 OOC games and only 8 conference games, so almost every SEC team is guaranteed 3-4 wins OOC (Chattanooga State, anyone?), and then they can beat up on the also rans in the conference. Don't get me wrong, I think the SEC is the strongest conference, but I don't think it's the ninth NFL division like some people do. Texas A&M was a middle of the road big 12 team, and they have successfully come into the SEC playing a style of football that "doesn't work in the SEC". Obviously Manziel has something to do with that, but it's all a matter of perception, I think.
     
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    I think the UGA Bama loser should still get be considered for a playoff spot as well. thats why 4 wouldnt be enough this year.

    You would have ND vs Oregon and Bama/UGA winner vs FLA.

    Why should FLA get in the playoff while UGA gets the shaft. just like FLA will get BCS bowl and loser of SEC champ will get the shaft this year.

    I kinda like how this year is turning out. 2 plays 3 and winner plays 1.

    You could even make a 6 team playoff.

    1 and 2 get byes

    3play6
    4play5

    #1 gets to pick who they want to play of the two remaing winners. That would give the tlaking head shows plenty of fodder for a quialty build up.
     
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    The reason Florida would get the nod is because they have the best resume in the country. I don't think you can take a 2 loss SEC team over other one loss teams...Georgia and Alabama each have a shot to prove they deserve it. A loss by Alabama means they lost to the best two teams they've played (A&M and Georgia), A loss by Georgia is similar, though they did beat Florida, which complicates things. Still, you lost two games.

    6 teams with byes is an interesting idea, even though I think it gets to be too many games at the end of the year. Here are the rankings prior to all bowl games over the last few years, there are clearly a few years where 6 could make sense:

    2011:
    1 LSU 13-0
    2 Alabama 11-1
    3 Oklahoma State 11-1
    4 Stanford 11-1
    - 5th team: Oregon, 11-2, 6th team, Arkansas, 11-2

    2010:
    1 Auburn 13-0
    2 Oregon 12-0
    3 TCU 12-0
    4 Stanford 11-1
    - Wisconsin and Ohio State were ranked 5th and 6th, each with one loss. Michigan State was ranked 9th at 11-1.

    2009:
    1 Alabama 13-0
    2 Texas 13-0
    3 Cincinnati 12-0
    4 TCU 12-0
    - Florida was 12-1 and Boise State was 13-0

    2008:
    1 Oklahoma 12-1
    2 Florida 12-1
    3 Texas 11-1
    4 Alabama 12-1
    - USC was 11-1, Utah was 12-0, as was Boise State, Texas Tech and Penn State were both 11-1

    2007:
    1 Ohio State 11-1
    2 LSU 11-2
    3 Virginia Tech 11-2
    4 Oklahoma 11-2
    - Georgia, Mizzou, USC and West Virginia also all had two losses, Kansas was 11-1
     
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    The rumor is that it may actually be expanded to 6 teams, bu I am not sure how valid that is. I do not think 16 is close to ridiculous, nor do I think that a 3 loss team would make the playoffs. I also do not think in any way that the regular season would be meaningless. Do you watch regular season NFL? the regular season would be lesser games, meaning no fluffy Dii teams. Teams would take more scheduling risks as well.

    16 teams would allow smaller conference winners to get a shot. That is why 3 loss teams would not be in there.

    I rarely see anyone, including analysts who think a 4 team playoff is good. Who cares if your team would make it or not. Take that out of the equation and think about it as a fan.

    And I am sorry, but Oregon got a crack at LSU last year and got destroyed. The south is where the dominant lineman are coming from on both sides of the ball. That is what wins titles. The PAC 12 has Stanford with a decent line and thats about it. The reason the SEC is so dominant up front on both sides is why UF could beat ORE. But really, this debating means nothing. It should be settled on the field, and it won't. Some people like to debate and enjoy that,. I like to see things settled on the field.
     
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    You can't compare teams year to year...What Oregon did last year doesn't have a lot of bearing on this year, especially since our offensive line is older, more mature, and bigger, by average weight. We also have a different, better QB and more weapons on offense. BTW, that Oregon team that "got destroyed" outgained LSU and scored more points on them than any other LSU opponent all year. We killed ourselves with 4 turnovers, including 2 in a row from De'Anthony Thomas, in his first ever college game. If you only want to look at the 40-27 final score, fine, but look at the stat sheet and it tells a different story.

    You honestly don't think that 3 loss teams would get into a 16 team playoff? There are currently two 3 loss teams in the top 16, and depending on how games go this weekend, there could be as many as four.

    In 2011, 4 teams in the top 16 had 3 losses, including #12 Baylor. In 2010 there was one team in the top 16 with 3 losses. In 2009 there were 4. In 2008 there were 3. In 2007 there were 5 teams, including #16 Tennessee that was 9-4. Do you see where I'm going with this? Even if we took into account small conference teams that would "get a chance", you'll still be looking at taking at large teams with three losses. Statistically speaking you'd have a three loss team or two every year.

    I personally don't need to see MWC, MAC, WAC and Conference USA get their champions into a playoff system, unless they're ranked at a certain level. Just being undefeated against awful teams shouldn't guarantee you a spot. Kent State, for example, is ranked 17th right now, and could sneak into a BCS game this year if they win this week. To date, their best win is over Rutgers, and they lost 47-14 to a Kentucky team that is 2-10 and went winless in the SEC. I don't need to see that team draw Alabama in the first round of a playoff, when that spot could go to South Carolina, Clemson or Oregon State.

    Just my .02. It's always fun to have the debate, and we're all coming from the same place, that the current system needs to go away.
     
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    Yes. I think my main point here is that I don't believe the PAC 12 has the lineman to hang with a top tier SEC team. And because there is no playoff system we do not get to see these matchups enough to really know past the eye test. So it is a pointless debate, but one that the old guys in charge try to tell us is "fun" and "part of the beauty of college football".

    16 team playoff is a fantasy. I'd be rather pleased with 8. 4 is just not going to cut it and many college football heads are already asking for 8.
     
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    I agree with you. I love the fact that college footballs season in so important. Its like the playoffs begin on opening night and if you lose then you really cant complain that you didnt make the title game.

    Watching a game between LSU/BAMA or GA/FL where both teams know that they can still make the playoffs if they lose will make the game so much less memorable and way less important.
     
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    Asking college studs to possibly play 4 more games every year and endanger themselves from ever getting that big NFL contract is alot. The NFL guys have the union looking out for their interests when they expanded the playoffs but you just expecting these college athletes to blindly accept a 16 team playoff just because you like it is asking a lot dont you think? What would you do if 3 or 4 years in a row one of the top players in the nation is badly injured in one of these added games you want?
     
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    But they probably wont though. That is 4 teams in the same conference. They WON'T all make the playoffs. It will still be very hard to make playoffs if there are 8 teams...even 16 teams.

    The games will all still have meaning. Put it like this, the FSU-UF game had zero meaning outside of state champs. Now fire up the youtube replay and listen to the crowd, and let me know if there was excitement in the air or not.

    Plus you are not reading. I already said 16 teams is a fantasy, and 8 would be great. I also already said that they need to trim the 2 fluff teams out of their schedules that so many BCS teams schedule. So there will be no extra games.
     
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    Ohio State is undefeated this year. Any reason they are not ranked #1 or #2 in the BCS?
     
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    They're on probation due to a severe case of the Tressels.
     
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    LSU/Bama and FL/GA would all be in a playoff if you had just the 8 games, heck 3 of them would make it if they had a 4 game playoff.

    You think these schools will drop the creampuffs from their schedules when theyre making millions playing them? Thats like expecting the NFL to stop playing prer season games.
     
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    They would finish 3rd in the ACC. enough said
     
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    Yes I do because the playoff system will pay them that $$. The TV $$ will be huge.

    Also, you are forgetting that the conference title games havenot been played yet. I was just posting the matchups I made as an example of this week. Lets look at the mahcups again next week.

    And in all honesty if there are 3 SEC teams in an 8 team playoff isn't that how it should be since it is currently the best conference by a mile?
     
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    The conferences would want to do away with the conf title games then. And there would definitely be more than 3 SEC teams in a 8 team playoff this season. maybe 5 of them would be SEC
     
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    Thats fine, that is how this season has played out though.

    Honestly, conference title games in some ways are not needed. The ACC game costs $4 to attend. $4.

    But you could keep them by having the major conference winners get a playoff birth (acc, sec, big 12, big 10, Pac 12)
     
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    I meant the AP top 25. Why #4? I'd assume they'd be #2 (or #1) BCS if they were eligible.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings


    Sure, but Oklahoma would kick the hell out of Notre Dame if they ever played....
     
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    Have you taken a peek at Notre Dame's schedule?
     
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    Yes, it is considered one of the toughest in the country.
     
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    It's actually considered 30th by a number of the computers. It really hurt ND that Michigan, MSU and USC were all down. Oklahoma and Stanford are their best two wins, which are impressive, but it's not the gauntlet that people assumed it would be in the preseason.

    Florida has played probably the toughest schedule all year, beating 4 teams in the top 12 and their lone loss was to #3. Stanford's schedule has also been insane.
     
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    Yeah, I think the preseason rank was #1 or close to it. Obviously fell off due to various teams falling off the table. However, you want to look at the Sagarin ratings closely.

    The top conferences read

    1. Big-12
    2. SEC
    3. Pac-12
    4. Big-10
    5. Independent
    6. Big East
    7. ACC

    The Big-12 has only two teams in the top-20.
     
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    As hollywood mentioned and I've been saying for years, 6 team playoff w/ top 2 teams getting a bye and no auto bids would be the best option. 5 games between the 4 BCS sites with one site hosting 2 games a year every 4 years, so that no one's left out of the money. First round games the 2nd week of December, Semifinal games New Year's Day, Finals the week after. Or 1st round games 2nd week December, Semis 3rd week, finals on New YEars day, with no more Meinike Car Care Bowls on Jan 3/4th. New Years Day should always have the biggest games.

    I agree w whoever said we don't need to see Bama smack down the CUSA champion, even though ODU will be up there in a few years. Difference between CBB and CFB is that physicality plays much larger a role in football, making upsets less likely. Also lack of a 3 pt line (obviously).

    OSU isn't ranked in the Bowl Championship Series because they aren't BOWL eligible. Simple enough.

    Auto bids to the BCS for conferences like ACC and Big East is absurd, always has been. Lou/Rutgers will get BCS bid while Bama/Georgia loser heads to the Capital One Bowl. Seems legit. :?
     
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    Would you have a selection committee? Or would you keep the current BCS standings and take the top 6?

    I feel like it would have to be a selection committee, and the conference limit should expand from 2 max to 3 max. If there's a year where one conference has three baller teams, they should be represented as such.
     
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    Happy to see Stanford make the Rose Bowl, and I hope they win it. If we've got to lose to someone, I'd rather have it be the team that wins the Rose Bowl than some crap team.

    Rooting for Kansas State tonight against Texas. I'd like to finally see the Oregon - KSU matchup take place.
     
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    7-5 Wisconsin who finished 3rd in their division is headed to a BCS game...wow.
     
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    FSU looked absolutely awful tonight, but they'll be in a BCS game.

    Kansas State to the Fiesta, and Wisconsin just crushing Nebraksa for the Rose Bowl.
     
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    We played a lot of young guys tonight and EJ was EJ. 1 more game of this bad QB play.
     
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    I think Georgia-Bama was a great litmus test for what Georgia fans feel about Mark Richt. Do you credit Georgia for playing a great game and being this close to beating Bama? Or do you criticize the team for mismanaging the last minute of the game (i.e. Richt not being able to win the "big game"?)
     
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    Richt was fine...you can't fault him for the deflected pass that wobbled to the unintended receiver.

    Saban was the poorer of the tacticians...not calling TO prior to halftime cost Bama a chance for a TD. He admitted the goof to the CBS sideline reporter.
     
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    I was surprised the game was that close. Bama's 2 point conversion kept UGA from kicking a field goal to get the game into OT.
     
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    Northern Illinois very well may be going to a BCS game, as is Wisconsin and Louisville. Georgia won't go. Wow.

    These rules need to end. There need to be minimum ranking requirements to get into a BCS game now. This is getting ridiculous.
     
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    The Big boys arent going to allow any rule change that would keep out a Big 10 or ACC champ no matter where they may be ranked. You think the $4 ticket price was good for the FSU/GT game? Wait til you see what they have to lower prices to for the FSU/Lousiville game.
     
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    ^^^I'd prefer a more "marquee" matchup for the Noles' return to a BCS game but, have no fear, tickets for a New Year's bowl in Miami have significantly more value than a Dec. 1 game in Charlotte.
     
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    Dang, did you see the bowl matchups? What a bunch of ****ty games. Theres no way in hell No. Illinois should be in a BCS game. Besides the Tostitos bowl and the title game, they really are lousy games. I see a lot of empty seats in the future of most of these games because most of them arent interesting at all.
     
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    These are all terrible games. I wish to god they could have at least had UF play ORE. How are we playing N Ill? LOL. Cmon man. I wanted Bridgewater at least.

    This is ridiculous. I hope the ratings are in the toilet and a real playoff is developed as a result.
     
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    Ray Charles couldve picked better matchups than these. I cant believe just how bad a job they did. Frreakin terrible games that I dont think anyones gonna make sure they see. Ratings should be in the tank.
     
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    Ill probably go to the FSU game. Cant imagine the tickets will cost much..lol.
     
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    Did you hear what Herbstreet said? The entire panel said FSU would kill No. Illinois the Herbstreet says, "EJ Manual will do his best to keep No. Illinois in this game." They all busted out laughing.
     
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    Yes, EJ Manuel has been an absolute disappointment, so I agree with that. Also Herbie probably feels burned since he had EJ as a heisman candidate preseason.

    The reason we played so safe against NC State is because Jimbo doesn't trust him enough. He is a 5th year senior. No Excuse.
     
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    Usually there is one snooze of a BCS game. Some years there are two.

    I think we have three this year...First time in recent memory we've had three bad matchups in five games. ND-Bama will get killer ratings, but I don't see the Irish hanging with Alabama.

    Oregon-KSU should be good. It was supposed to be an OOC game this year, then it was a NC matchup, so it's cool to get that matchup finally.
     
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    I like the Oregon-KSU matchup and believe it's probably going to be the most entertaining. I'll watch ND/Bama because it's the NC but I'm really not interested in the post-season this year. The games are just horrible. FSU/NI is a dog of a game. I'll bet it's gonna be really tough for even FSU to sell this one out. My horrible Hokies play Rutgers...zzzzzz. Wisconsin and Stanford....zzzzzz.

    I have a few friends that are GA alumns and I was really pulling for the upset. Just a heartbreaker but a great game. Bama is Bama but they could easily have lost their two toughest games this year.
     
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    I was 100% pulling for Georgia. That last play...Man, so brutal. I think either Georiga or Alabama would beat Notre Dame, and if we're going to get a 7th straight SEC champ, I'd at least like to see a different SEC champ.

    If Bama wins, that's three titles in four years, and EVERYONE is back on their team next year. It's getting a bit ridiculous.
     
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    I hope the refs can "assist" ND and make it a close game. A hold here, a pass interference there and this one could be interesting.
     
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    Me too. I'm not that fond of Georgia fans (too cocky for the amount of success) but they love their Dawgs and it's been 30+ years. My oldest brother lived in Bama for years and is a fan, one of my best friends went to Bama and mutiple fellow classmates/interns are grads. My phone was lit up with 'roll tide' about 20 times Saturday. Makes me sick. :)
     
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    If ND is involved, that shouldn't be a problem. :)

    Hey r2, after a poor Iowa football season, at least you can say your Hawkeyes beat a BCS bowl team. :)
     
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    ORE-KSU is a solid game because ORE really needs to win for the entire pac -12. The PAC-12 is my favorite conference besides the SEC because it is so fun to watch, but they dont have the lineplay that the SEC has. they could make a nice statement against that in Jan. I really like ORE, I think they are a very fun team to watch.

    KState has some horses up front, and I am interested in seeing how that goes. I really wish that it was UF though..ugh..that would have been a huge game for the PAC-12 if ORE could win it, but I don't believe they would. UF has so much talent on defense, and Elam can cover the width of the field maybe the best of any safety I have seen this year.
     

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