2012 College Football

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    Saturday Night ABC national game at the Doak...this has to be the biggest spotlight for the Noles in a decade! Let's hope they can keep the mo going...I'm dreaming but it would be great if they can lower that atrocious 1.0 PPGA stat into a decimal (0.75)!
     
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    Another year, another early loss by the most overrated school in CFB, AKA Virginia Tech. Sorry, I just have to rub it in, their fans (most of them) act as if they're on the same level as Bama or LSU when Beamer hasn't won jack squat as far as national prominence is concerned.

    Yeah they make it to BCS games every year but mostly bc the ACC has been a joke and a cakewalk (though FSU seems to be back). Losing to Pitt, the same Pitt that got romped by Youngstown St? soy loves to say LOL @ND, but in lieu of that since the Irish seem to be back, big time LOL @the Hokies.

    And an additional LOL@ Lame Kiffin.
     
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    The Ducks are looking good. They get their first decent test against Zona this week.

    Oh, and lol at USC.
     
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    Hokie hater JB back again. How is ODU doing in anything? Like I've said before, you don't know obnoxious fans until you've lived in Bama, South Carolina, Ohio and the fairest of fair weather fans, USC/SoCal. No one that has always followed the Hokies puts them in league with Bama, OSU, Oklahoma, etc. Maybe the new kids on the block but not the long-term fans. For a program that was basically born in the 90's and doesn't have decades of history like all the other major powers, I think they're doing quite well. Name a non-historical power that has won a championship in the last 20 years. And find me a team outside of the Florida schools with their very large population that puts together a team that is often 90%+ of state residents. Yeah, I know their record stinks against the top 25 but I think most any college fan would be happy with the following:


    3rd longest bowl streak in history
    post season every year since '93, behind only Florida and FSU in consecutive appearances
    3rd best record in the last 10 years, behind only LSU and Boise St
    8 conference championships
    3-2 in ACC championship games
    7 top 10 finishes since '93 and top 25 all but two years since '93
    virtually devoid of major scandals and recruiting violations
     
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    ODU just put up 70 this weekend. So yeah, not that good...though I'm sure we'll get crushed when we move to CUSA next year. Unlike most Hokie fans, I'm realistic ab my team.

    Beamer's built a good but not great program. Certainly not deserving of the national hype and high preseason rankings they get every year before inevitably losing to the first decent team they play. And it's not like VA is devoid of talent as far as recruiting.

    You're the Atlanta Braves of CFB, only you've never even won the big one and only made it there once. So yeah, I'm sure most major programs would be ecstatic with that as their reputation.
     
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    Glad to see ODU can put 70 on the Campbell Fighting Camels. I think I had more students in my biochem class at Tech than Campbell has students. Tech was ranked #20 in the preseason coaches poll. Don't you think that's a pretty logical/certainly not overrated position for a team that finished top 15 the previous 8 or 9 seasons? I'll take an Atlanta Braves-type record for the moment. Better than being the Pittsburgh Pirates (virtually all of college football outside of the big guns). Like I said, look back through the last 20 champions/contenders and pull out the team without at least minor NCAA violations...even Boise St got a slap on the wrist. FSU and Clemson are just now getting back to prominence. Why haven't UNC, MD, UVA, etc., been able to compete? Oh yeah, I forgot, even 'holier than thou' UNC cheated their pants off to get good. They would kill to have Tech's record. Should everyone in the Big 10 except Ohio State and Michigan just quit? Everyone in the PAC 12 except Stanford, USC and Oregon go home? Why does mighty Texas only have 1 title in 30 years? Does Miami have a title that isn't caked with dirt?
     
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    Notre Dame and Michigan beg to differ.
     
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    You're comparing yourself to MD, UNC, and UVA in football? LOL at that, come on we all know those programs stink at football. Tech should dominate the ACC with how FSU and Miami have been down the past few years.

    Even as weak as the ACC is Tech can't even manage to get through it unbeaten and get to a NC game at all?

    Oh and no one cares about not having violations. You think Auburn feels guilty about their NC even though we all know they paid Cam? In the end, 99% of programs have some dirt on them, its just about hiding it. Tech just so happens to do a good job of hiding it and doesn't win enough to make the NCAA want to investigate.

    Notice I said most Tech fans have that superiority complex, not all. I've lived in VA all of my live and have had to deal w/ the bandwagoning of VT since the Vick era. So excuse me if I feel a bit of glee whenever Tech gets embarrassed in football.
     
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    I'm comparing them to their conference and the question is why do the other ACC teams stink? We all know the SEC/Pac 12/Big 12 are better conferences. Va Tech has dominated Miami lately, violation years included.

    I care about violations. I know most fans are mouth-breathers that never even attended 'their' school, let alone played for said school. I have a personal connection and I want them to stay clean as possible. Did UCF win enough to make the NCAA notice? How about East Carolina? Indiana? Baylor? Cal? Cincinnati? Louisiana-Lafayette? I'm glad VaTech isn't winning games to the tune of these guys...we'd really be in trouble. :)

    I lived in VA until the age of 22. My family is still there, in Roanoke, Bburg, Va Beach, Cville. All states bandwagon behind their state schools. Like I said, go to South Carolina and listen to them whine and moan 12 months per year about the Gamecocks and Tigers. WVA loves them some Mountaineers. GA Bulldog fans (right behind LSU) might be the worst in college football.
     
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    I'll add the Georgia Bulldogs to the list. They were 'supposed' to win the SEC east the last 10 years (and have won 4 or 5) but haven't been able to break through against the big dogs . Certainly not on the scale of Notre Dame or Michigan but their fans are foaming at the mouth.
     
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    This.

    I didn't play for Oregon, like you played for VT, but I am an Alumnus and have been a huge fan since I started attending in 2002. I've been with Oregon when we would struggle to win 6-7 games a year, and I've been there for the crappy seasons along with the great last four years we've had.

    I care about violations. I'm still terrified that the NCAA is going to lower the boom on us for Willie Lyles. I know every team does it, but I don't want to be lumped in that group or penalized for trying to get an edge. We're winning, we have a tremendous coach, great facilities and we have the flashiest gear in all of football. Those should be the only edges we need as far as recruiting goes.
     
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    Yeah UGA could definitely be on that list. The media just so desperately wants the "ol' traditional powers" to be legit again, it's disgusting. The Notre Dame fellatio fest after they beat MSU was pretty pitiful, and Lou Holtz is probably on a Viagra drip preparing for ND/Michigan this weekend.

    They should rename this game "The Has Been Bowl".
     
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    I think the gear and Nike connection is a huge draw for Oregon. Not to mention with the exception of USC, where else will the large Cali talent base go to play big boy football close to home? Don't worry, Oregon will never be as dirty as USC or the top SEC schools. Not sure it's even possible.

    You gotta stick with the team through thick and thin. That's what separates fans like us from USC fans. :) My father-in-law went to Cal and one big wish in life is to see Cal in a Rose Bowl before he kicks the bucket. :)
     
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    Thanks, I think we'll be alright, but Arizona usually plays us tough and their offense looks legit this year. The first test for our "good" defense that we're apparently sporting this year.
     
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    I dont think Oregons unis are flashy but most of them are the ugliest unis in the nation. I like their all white ones with either the white helmet or green helmet but the rest of their unis are ridiculous IMO.
     
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    Luckily, 17 and 18 year old football studs disagree with you. Some people hate our unis...That's cool, everyone is different. I think they're dope, and they've had a hugely positive impact on our recruiting.
     
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    Lucky that Alabamas taken to the flashy unis to keep drawing in the 5 star recruits huh? If they had some boring unis, theres no way they could beat the teams with the dope unis.
     
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    That's not my point at all.

    When you're not a traditional football power (Alabama, LSU, USC, ND, Michigan and some others), it's harder to recruit blue chip kids. Oregon has differentiated themselves with uniforms. They're eye catching, and they get a lot of buzz...Any press is good press in this regard. The fact that we have a locker room that rivals most in the NFL, the connection with Nike, the speed of the offense and the teams success obviously also help immensely.

    It's clearly working for Oregon. In the last 12 years the program has gone from a perennial bottom dwellar to a perennial top 10 program.
     
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    They were a pretty good program 10 years ago before they switched uniforms. They werent as good as they have been the last 3 or 4 years thats for sure but didnt Joey harrington take them to the Rose Bowl in their old unis?
     
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    Agree with Big. Colin Cowherd and others on radio have noted that top recruits actually mention Oregon's gear/Nike connection as a big draw.

    Bama is a traditional power and likely has a little under the table action going. Why else would anyone want to move to Tuscaloosa?
     
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    Yeah we won the Fiesta Bowl in 2002, but that was after the Nike/Phil Knight connection exploded. The unis over the last 8-10 years have just continued where that left off.
     
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    What is it with your hangup on 'under the table' action? Face it, 9/10 CFB programs have a little 'under the table' action happening. Look at the top 10 right now and tell me which program you think is completely clean? Maybe Stanford, but that's it.

    You can use the 'why would anyone wanna move to X" argument for pretty much any place. Hell I know Blacksburg isn't that fun a place either. Not that I think Tech cheats, bc I don't. Nor do I think Bama is clean BTW.
     
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    Kevin Just knows the game a lot better than you man. A lot of us know the dirtier programs from interactions with players and assistant coaches..etc.

    When you steal a recruit from the state of alabama it is a major major win. It just doesnt happen. People do get paid there more than other places.

    there is no hangup on under the table action. It is a big part of college football.
     
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    My 'hangup' is because it's illegal. Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right, a la Tour de France or steroids in baseball, etc. I'm talking pay to play and academic fraud. I'm not worried about the piddly stuff like a poor kid getting a plane ride home if a relative dies or going to Denny's for dinner with the D line coach. Stanford seems pretty clean. I'd probably add K-State and TCU to the list. With the exception of Oregon, the remainder are old school 'good 'ole boy' football programs.
     
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    On a legit front, what I love about FSU's recruiting is how Jimbo built it. All our coaches are stud recruiters. Established pipelines with High schools and guys who know the regions. stuff like that makes a giant difference. These kids play forJimbo because he understands them as people and not just players.

    Are we paying them? I honestly do not know, but since we are a saban inspired team, I would have to imagine its a possibility. Id like to think not, as I hold Jimbo in very high regard.
     
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    Jimbo isn't paying them. That's the beauty. If there's a hard core fanbase of alums and football is religion, there's a very good chance. The SEC is the dirtiest all around, no doubt about it. With the exception of Vandy, EVERY SEC school has had at least one period of probabation since the 1980's, even lowly Kentucky, Ole Miss and Miss St. Bama has been on probation 3 times in the last 25 years. The Texas schools also don't fare so well.

    As for Jimbo, time will tell. I was a teaching/grad assistant at UK when Tubby Smith was there and he was legit. UK also had some lean years after Tubby went through Pitino's recruits and got canned. I've told this story before here on TW but Tubby (not an assistant) personally checked up on his players. He's a good man and cared for his players. I was an adjunct professor at a formerly IAA school in South Carolina while interning in Charleston. Let me tell you, I felt pressure from coaches there like I haven't known since, even at larger unis.
     
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    Actually, I take my SEC comment back. I forgot that Mizzou is in the SEC now. With Mizzou leaving, every team in the Big 12 has been on probation at one time or another, while the SEC has Vandy and Mizzou having never been on probation. The Big 12 is the official winner of 'Dirtiest Football Conference' :)

    And a shout out to r2 and his Iowa Hawkeyes, one of only a handful of teams in NCAA history with the distinction of a national title and no history of probation. :)
     
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    730 yards passing by Heinicke! Amazing.
     
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    Roo Ha Roo Ha Rutgers Rah!! Scarlet Knights spank the hog, remain undefeated. Meineke Muffler Bowl, here we come!!
     
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    Fear the Spear! So many weapons on display tonight...Manuel almost 500 total yards (380 pass, 104 rush); Thompson, Wilder Jr., Benjamin (maybe biggest play of the game), all the receivers and Joyner on returns!

    Incredible composure to rally from 14-28 to absolutely dominate the last 25 minutes of the game. Clemson has a scary offense but Stoops' Troops rebounded and kept pressing until the mistakes crept into their execution.

    No letdowns now...USF in Tampa is a Wilder Jr. Homecoming. May he play like his dad used to in the old Sombrero!
     
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    The Seminoles had me worried for quite some time. It was great to see them hit their stride and take over the game.
     
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    Yessssssss fsu finally repped it. Only way to beat us is with gimmick plays right now. I am flattered that clemson had to get that creative, but we are just a better team this year...finally. We owed them.

    That was a great game. Best game of the week..glad to see us show the nation that fsu football is back.
     
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    Yes, substance overcame frills and thrills, expensive as they are to Clemson! I can't believe an assistant coach gets well over 1MM a year and he's only four years removed from coaching high school ball!!!
     
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    Ducks now #2. They've been representing the PAC well the past few years.
     
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    Central Michigan just a little too tough for Iowa playing at home this week.......
     
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    Even the Big East thinks the Big 10 is a joke this season.
     
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    I am real interested in seeing if anyone can play straight up football with FSU besides Alabama (who is the best IMO). I truly am impressed with how creative Clemson got in their playcalling. It was a display that I have not seen in a long time. I mean honestly, I dont care who you root for, that game had to be the most entertaining game of the year. Lots of NFL caliber talent on the field as well.

    Now we have a slight trap game in USF. This FSU team is just different than years before. They answer the bell now, and the offense is so versatile that it appears unstoppable. I believe the UF game will be interesting simply because running on them will not be easy. Va Tech will be a challenge due to location and game time.

    Miami has heart and could upset as well. Those are the 3 trap games I forsee.
     
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    ^^^The team seems to be drinking Jimbo's Kool-Aid...enjoy the win and get ready for the next one on the schedule. If they are truly buying in, nobody will overlook the Bulls. Stoops will demand a return to single-digit PPGA. FSU 41-7!
     
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    Stanford went from scoring 65 on the Huskies last year to just 13 this time. Congrats to UW, but reality should smack them around soon.
     
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    WTF is going on in the Pac-12? More good teams this year than I expected (OSU, UW, UCLA), but how does Stanford lose that game?

    Seems like it's a middle heavy conference without many elite teams. Oregon is doing well so far, but I don't entirely trust us. Now UW makes me a bit nervous, as does Oregon State, Stanford and of course, USC.
     
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    I'm not sold on FSU's defense. Yes I know Clemson has a great offense but they still almost gave up 40 points. It's clear Clemson has had a championship caliber offense the last 2 years. The defense just does not have the talent yet. If we can get Robert Nkemdiche (number 1 defensive dude) next year who has committed orally, that could open up a wave of defensive talent coming to Clemson that wants to start right away.
     
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    Clemson ran a ton of misdirection and trick plays to get those 40 points. They did it because they knew they could not line up and play our defense traditionally. I doubt any other team in america can put together the offensive creativity that clemson did last week against us.

    Because of that I am sold on our defense. I think we have a top 3 defense in america to be quite honest. I really do not see any holes. Even Clemsons OC said the entire we game we played press man cover 2 and physically beat their WRs at the line of scrimmage.

    Yes we gave up some big plays, but Clemson seriously called some incredible misdirection and tricks to get those plays.

    The tell tale games for me are UM Va Tech and UF since they dont have the coaching styles to call those plays.Rivalry games being played straight up are always a great way to display physical dominance.
     
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    ^^^Remember the one-game-at-a-time Jimbo Kool-Aid...tomorrow night is our first road game, albeit a short journey from the Doak and a chance for all the Bay Area kids to play in front of friends and family. Let's get them through this one and next week in Raleigh (not our fave destination in the past) healthy and unbeaten. Maybe the 'Canes will soften up the Wolfpack tomorrow and make the second trip a little easier. The key is to stay injury-free...no more Jenkins' style season-enders to the studs.
     
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    I'm really liking the Pac 12 this year. Always a fun conference to me, but it seems even more competitive this year. Hoping Oregon can come on top of the conference at season's end.
     
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    I thought college basketball doesn't start til November...two top 10 teams giving up 44 and 63 points and still winning by seven! Where is the "D"???
     
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    I'm definitely not happy with the Mountaineer defense this year. It will have to improve to have a chance this Saturday at Texas.

    They are sure exciting to watch, though.
     
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    FSU jumps over LSU to #3 after the Tigers limped past Towson (?? didn't know they played football...basketball is their strength). Interesting that none of the top 5 dominated from the opening kickoff...WSU played Oregon tough for a half, FSU was on their heels early defensively before smothering USF, the aforementioned LSU "squeaker" and Georgia gave up 44 to Tennessee. I'm sure the Tide didn't cover either.
     
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    FSU's line looked more human last week. But USF does have some nice dlineman.

    That being said, it really is one game at a time. Nc state upset us in '98 and somehow we still made the title game. Won't happen this year. that is a tough home crowd there with a team that has beaten us. I do credit a lot of that to amato knowing exactly how to defend us back then, and having more talent as well.
     
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    Tremendous bouceback this week by Iowa as they teach the Gophers who's boss (and reclaim Floyd the pig).
     

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