2012 College Football

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  1. soyizgood

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    Snyder is a dinosaur. He's been there an eternity. I remember a few great years as well as some iffy and downright mediocre years they've had under him. I think he's a good coach, but let's not make it seem like he gets winning teams year after year like Paterno-Bowden-Stoops-Meyer-Saban.

    tOSU is 1-9 vs SEC in bowl games and they like to beat up on in-state powerhouses Akron and Toledo for their OOC schedule. Yet even with sanctions they'll probably win their division. Big 10 really needed Wisconsin-Iowa-Michigan St. to step up this year, but they haven't.
     
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    ^^^Right and wrong about Snyder...he is 73 but he came out of retirement to resurrect the program he handed to Ron Prince for several years. His last two years before his break were dismal but nowhere nearly as bad as K-State was before arriving in Manhattan. Prior to Snyder, the Wildcats had the worst program in the nation. Also, I think he has adapted well in his return...much more pass-oriented, as you need to be this decade.
     
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    I guess we're all eating crow, RE Notre Dame. :) Their D looks good and I was really, really surprised how well they handled the Sooners offense. I still think they get drilled by Oregon or Bama (maybe even K State).

    The pundits say the lack of a Big 12 Championship game really helps Oregon's chances. The way Bama handled Miss St makes me like them more and more (if that's possible). Georgia helped you out on the SEC end, BigServer1. You certainly don't have to worry about the ACC or Big 10 champ. Just win out, pray for one ND slip up and I think you get in.
     
  4. Kevin T

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    That was a hard hitting game. The announcers kept mentioning that the Refs were consistently warning the sidelines to calm their players down. How USC plays Georgia like a fiddle, then gets worked by Florida, followed by Florida getting outmuscled by the Dawgs is a head scratcher. CBS was showing stats on Georgia's recent W/L against ranked teams that reminded me of my Hokies. :)

    Sad to see Lattimore go down. Let's hope rehab is successfull.
     
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    Bama is awesome but Miss St is way overrated. Probably had the easiest schedule in the country before this past week and will probably lose 4 of their ;last 5 games of the season. Their 7 wins were over Jackson St, Auburn, Troy, South Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Middle Tennessee.
     
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    We are indeed eating crow about ND. They are legit, especially on defense.

    Oregon still has a chance, obviously, but K State is way ahead of us in the computers, and they still have a game against a ranked Texas team on their schedule. Lack of a title game hurts them, but if we end up playing an unranked, four loss USC/UA team in the Pac-12 title game, I don't know what that does for us either.

    I think if ND wins out they'll end up at three in both human polls, and they'll probably still be #1 or #2 in the computers. I think ND could go if they win out, and the computers love the Big 12 so much I feel the same way about K State.

    Obviously we have to keep winning for this to matter at all, but I do think that it's a real possibility that we're left out if all four teams win out. If that does happen, two teams with real cases for a title trip will be pissed.
     
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    They won't lose to Arkansas and probably not Ole Miss. LSU should beat them, as should Texas A&M.
     
  8. Kevin T

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    All true but you do have 3 BCS top 25 teams left on your schedule. Just win out and hope USC makes the Notre Dame game their championship game. :) The Harris and Coaches' polls still have the Ducks #2.
     
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    USC could beat ND for sure...Hell, they could easily beat us. At home they are a different team than they are on the road.

    What I would love to see happen, honestly, is LSU beats Alabama, USC beats ND, and Oregon and Kansas State win out, so we finally get the match up that should have happened earlier this year!
     
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    I would enjoy this scenario, as well. Like I mentioned at the start of the season, it would be nice to see a non-SEC championship game. I'm REALLY tired of Bama always in the mix. Heck, I'd be stoked if Georgia or South Carolina would finally break through. I also REALLY, REALLY want Notre Dame to remain locked out of title contention. :)
     
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    Boise St. gets a BCS spot if they finish in the top 16 AND ahead of one of the BCS conference champions.
     
  12. BigServer1

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    Same...I just don't like Notre Dame. I have a couple of friends who love ND (neither went there, ironically) and they always tell me "you're jealous of our history". Erm, no, I'm not. If I was alive in the 50s, I might be, but as a 2000s College Grad, there aren't too many good things about NDs program lately. Even in their Brady Quinn days, they were good enough to go 9-2 and get blown out in a BCS game they didn't belong in.

    Brad Edwards is saying ND has the smallest chance of the current top 4 to go to the title game based on the computers, but I honestly wonder if ND wins out and is 12-0 that they wouldn't get some help in the human polls. People seem to think that football is at it's best when Notre Dame is relevant...I don't entirely trust voters.
     
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    This scenario is likely to happen...I don't see a Big Ten team that will be ranked ahead of BSU at season's end.
     
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    Both, actually. Salias Redd is awesome though.

    I always find it to be funny to see people as huge fans of a school that they never went to claim the team as "theirs". Every Saturday it seems I bike past dozens upon dozens of tailgaters who never in a million years could have gone here (and we're not even a particularly good school, save for our Aerospace Engineering program).
     
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    I don't get this either...My wife and I, and a ton of our friends all graduated from Oregon, and we hate the bandwagon Oregon fans. I was at the Arizona State game two weeks ago and there were some trashy Oregon fans there that I am positive couldn't get into a community college, let alone Oregon. I hate those people.

    There are acceptable tiers of fans in my view. This isn't exact, but it looks something like this:

    Top Tier - You graduated from the school in question.
    Second Tier - You attended the school in question for a time.
    Third Tier - Multiple members of your family attended and you grew up rooting for the school, not knowing any better. Now it's a part of your family, your culture.
    Fourth Tier - You married a fan of a school (and you don't have a rooting interest in a rival).
    (Below is where it gets less acceptable to be a fan)
    Fifth Tier - You live somewhere and you've adopted a hometown college team.
    Sixth Tier - Bandwagon fans. The worst. Unacceptable.
     
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    ^^^Here in Central Florida, this pattern is broadly represented by The "U" fanbase...a small, extremely expensive private university 250 miles away has (had, now) the loudest trash-talking backers. I think I've met less than a dozen people who attended or have family ties to Miami. It's not quite as bad with the Gator crowd...90 miles away and a state school with a large student body. As a FSU grad, I'm still in a minority due to Tallahassee's remoteness to Orlando but our fanbase is adequate in size to be represented well in the sports bars.
     
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    I am somewhat fascinated by the level of passion for college football in the SEC, Texas, and Florida. ESPN showed a documentary about SMU football, the payments to players, and the obsession for college football in Texas, which amazed me.

    My rival was Stanford, but it was all for fun with no real animosity. In the San Francisco Bay Area, college football is generally not taken very seriously.
     
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    Texas' passion extends down to the high school level in a manner that dwarfs even supposed hotbeds like Florida and SoCal. One high school in The Lone Star State recently opened a state-of-the-art stadium capable of meeting the needs of a BCS-level college program. They make TV series about this passion...Friday Night Lights!

    NorCal is a decent area for the high school passion too. A guy named Brady had enough talent to hustle off to Ann Arbor, have a stellar college career and top that in the pros. OJ also started in the Bay Area.

    Speaking of Stanford-Cal, what's up with moving The Game to October???
     
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    Some of the area private schools, like De La Salle, have a tradition of good teams, but I don't think many people have much interest. I once went to a Trader Joe's in Walnut Creek, and drove past their football field. The stands were very small.

    I think De La Salle was once one of the best programs in the U.S., but there is very little interest in high school in the media. I don't think many adults follow high school football in the area, unless their kid is playing. I have never been to a high school football game, so my observations are based on the reading the San Francisco Chronicle sports page.
     
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    Television. Pretty much everything happening in college football is about television revenue now.

    The regional rivalries use to be mostly played on the same day at the end of November. Now, Stanford-Cal, USC-UCLA, Oregon-OSU, and the other games are spread out over different Saturdays.

    Cal is having a terrible season. In the past, one could still look forward to the Big Game during bad seasons. Also, the game started early, too early for a good pre-game party!
     
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    Football is a religion in the South.
     
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    I was always a college football fan as a kid, but I never felt that white hot intensity of a huge victory or crushing defeat until attending FSU, sitting at a game for a kickoff as a freshman and realizing that this was my school now.

    I used to root for multiple teams and just watch the games, and after that it became a little different.

    Still im not a hardcore maniac fan...in a way college football has slowly turned me off with the greed, the crazy fans who do not attend the colleges and are just obnoxious to people, and how obvious it is that $$$ = titles now.

    FSU is having a very strong season so far and I love the team. I just have lost a lot of respect for the game over the years due to how it is run.
     
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    There is definitely a stronger connection for me with the Penn State football team than with any other team I root for. College football in general to me is more appealing than its professional counterpart. In my opinion, there is more passion from the players and the fans are much more into it than the NFl, creating a better atmosphere.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.

    I challenge anyone to go to an NFL game, even a team like the Packers, and then go to a game at Alabama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon or any other top tier program. There's simply no comparison. The noise, passion, fan interactions are all at another level. I feel the same way about college players. They just seem to want it more.
     
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    College football is to the South and *******, what Association Football is to the rest of the world. When you're attending a game in the Horseshoe, the Swamp, Happy Valley, Death Valley, etc. the vibe is absolutely incredible. You have both the national awareness and a communal sense of local pride. While you have that with some professional sports, note that the passion of those teams always get compared to college football teams, not the other way around.

    Yeah, Texas really is on another level. It's a supply chain for not only the Big-12, but the entire country in every single position (not just the flashier speed ones.) Florida has a similar system, but the net isn't as wide or thorough.

    And there's tiers to college football rivalry . . .

    Like Bulkagov, I went to Cal, but I didn't grow up with a big passion for the football team (Tom Holmoe era.) I have relatives that went to both Cal and Stanford, so the rivalry is fun for the extended family. I'm annoyed the game was in October, but it kinda comes and goes for me.

    On the other hand, I'm a 3rd tier Buckeye fan, and I grew up on Buckeye football since I was a kid. I have Wolverine coworkers, and we talk trash all season up to the big game. It's the one game that salvages a bad season, and it's also the game that makes a undefeated season meaningless to me.
     
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    No better way to spend a Saturday for me than tailgating before heading in to Beaver Stadium.

    Yup, that sums it up perfectly for me.
     
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    Kevin...Ouch man.

    Do you think Beamer will be around much longer? He's definitely old.
     
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    Horrible game from Tech with the kicker being special teams really let them down. This game was textbook 'how to absolutely control time of possession and still lose". You know I've been saying for years now that I have nothing but absolute respect for the man but he's not adapting. The modern college game is really passing him. Some coaches get through this by hiring up and coming O and D coordinators but Beamer hasn't even done that. You can probably look up my comments from the Stanford bowl beat down a couple of years ago (Harbaugh's last game) and my opinion hasn't changed...Beamer always gets outcoached and outschemed by the top coaches. Va Tech gets the players. They just aren't utilized properly.
     
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    If we dont go up to Hokieland and absolutely lay out Va Tech, I will be disappointed. We need this game. I still take it very seriously even though VT is having a letdown season.
     
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    Beamer seems to have a really hard time managing his talent and getting the most out of them. It's always staggering to me when you see teams that consistently get 2-4 star recruits win a ton of games, and you've got historic, blue chip programs that can't win with 4-5 star talent. Seems to be that it comes down to coaching, and players buying in to the program. Neither seems to be happening at VaTech.
     
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    The thing I noticed in the Clemson-VT game this year was that VT certainly had a chance to win that game but made so many mistakes including special teams which was always their forte.
     
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    Yes they missed out big time in that game . I cant see why but all systems failed. VT arent on their game basically.
     
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    Absolutely. The word from my UVA friends is that their new staff is really making in-roads/developing relationships with the Tidewater/Hampton Roads area/high school coaches. Tech has really dominated recruiting in this area (where most of the big dogs in VA come from-Vick, Curry, Iverson, Mike Tomlin of the Steelers) over the last 15 years but that wasn't always the case. They really need to bring in fresh blood, at the very least a crew of young, energetic, highly regarded coordinators. Tech has always won with solid D and special teams, even during the brief Vick era. They are never going to blow you out offensively. That's how the kids want to play these days and recruits will start (already are) looking to the "sexier" programs.
     
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    This has been the biggest equalizer in CFB I think. Alabama, USC, Notre Dame, etc. will always get on the lists of top guys, but more and more players are flocking to higher speed, high profile offenses. Kids want to score, they want to get on sportscenter, and some 2000s power programs (Oregon especially) are taking advantage of that.
     
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    VaTech with Vick was awesome. I loved watching it. It was fun playing them in the title because I felt they were the team that deserved to be in it with us.

    suggs/stith/moore/vick..nasty. Just weak at DB and couldnt cover Warrick.
     
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    That was an entertaining national title game except for the fact that FSU won.
     
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    Warrick was a great, great college football player and Weinke was solid. If I remember correctly, Tech was top 3 defensively and averaged > 250 yards rushing per game that season. FSU was money in the red zone. Another crazy stat from that Sugar Bowl is that FSU only ran for like 30 yards and Tech's total offensive yardage was way higher but they still lost by 17. Great game. I had just moved to start my PhD program the weekend before that game. It was awesome just to see Tech reach that level.
     
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    Yep. Tedford has killed Cal and allowed Stanford, USC, Oregon and even Nevada and Boise St to get better California football talent. I once heard an interview with Tedford discussing the difficulties of recruiting at Cal-Berk. He said something to the effect of kids go to USC/UCLA and see the beach, tan bodies and glitz of LA, then come here and walk by 5 different protests, a Code Pink banner or two and some crazy hippie living in a tree. :)

    Rich Rod has AZ looking good in less than a year. The Pac 12 has great schools/locations (for the most part) and high powered offenses. The SEC...well, it's the SEC and recruits are knocking on the door. If Nebraska can give up a generations-long mindset of run, run, option, option, run, run, run, then the Va Techs and Big 10 schools of the world can certainly shake things up.
     
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    Absolutely. FSU scorched the secondary. Suggs was a beast. He made players look like they were trying to rope a bull or something. Thing is, VaTech has tried to bring in Vick 2.0 (Marcus Vick=bust, Tyrod Taylor, Logan Thomas) but he's a once in a blue moon type of talent. Maybe one guy per year with that type of talent and you don't get that guy every year. Logan Thomas has been a huge letdown this year. He was getting a lot of NFL buzz last season but his stock has crashed...poor mechanics and poor decisions.
     
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    We have been looking for the next charlie ward forever..it will never happen. Those guys are just special players.
     
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    Charlie lost a game in his national title season. That senior citizen Weinke won all his. :)
     
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    Talk about trap games...Notre Dame and Georgia are both behind in the first half vs Pitt and Ole Miss. Stay tuned!
     
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    Notre Dame just got a bogus pass interference call on 4th down which may have saved their season because they scored on the next play instead of losing the ball on downs. Awful call.
     
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    Golson got picked off in the end zone. ND comes away with nothing on that drive. 20-12 Pitt with 5 min to go.
     
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    Pitt is choking. ND could win this....
     
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    Ugh....come on Pitt......
     
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    ND fumbled at the 1 yd line. If Pitt scores a FG they win in the OT.

    Pitt MISSED the 33 yd FG.. Off to another OT...
     
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    Pitt's offense is a joke. They are way too predictable. Their defense has done the job taking the ball away 3 times, including two inside their own 10.
     
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    ND prevails 29-26. Pitt stopped playing to win after the 3rd quarter.

    Oregon should find itself back in the #3 spot at worst if they beat USC.
     
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    Good to see Nebraska pulled through. It means we have a chance at beating another ranked team next week.

    Now, Oregon: Just take care of business.
     

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