Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by BigServer1, Sep 4, 2012.
Crazy shootout between Oregon and USC. 55-45 Oregon very late in the 4th.
How did LSU let that happen, Bama was coming off three straight 3-and-outs
Damn you Les Miles!! Your gambles all failed, you made your kicker try a career high FG which hooked, your defense played really soft on that last drive. ARGH! Alabama should not have even been in position to win as they did NOTHING the 2nd half until their winning drive.
I would have pooch punted instead of tried that 45 yd FG as the kicker barely has 45 yd range on a good day. It was so close to having KSU and Oregon 1-2 in the polls.
Wow, what a day.
I hate Rich Rodriguez.
That was awful.
Yesterday was stressful. We never trailed, but we had a couple chances to put it away and couldn't. There were some awful calls that went against us also, the worst being a PI call in the 4th quarter that took away an Oregon interception and led to an SC TD. We were up 17 at the time and should have gotten the ball back. Ugh.
Window dressing TD at the end gave SC 51 points, but I'll talk an 11 point win on the road against a team that gave us their absolute best shot. Gotta take care of business now against Cal, with a 5th straight 10 win season on the line. Go Ducks!
I pray that usc beats notre dame. Nd got a huge break with a bogus Pi call that put them back in the game. It was borederline fixing to be honest.
Bama game - wow. Id rank it bama, kstate, oregon, notre dame in that order.
What happens if Louisville, that forgotten 9-0 team, finishes undefeated? We could have 5 undefeated teams.
Well, it wasn't the blow-out win FSU needed as a statement to the pollsters but it WAS a gut-check crunchtime victory on the road in a very tough stadium. Bowden built his legacy on this type of success in hostile territory. Maybe Jimbo will realize the road makes potential champions stronger through facing such adversity. This was only the second game outside Florida...I think he needs to throw out one of those cupcakes at the start of the season and arrange a few home/away mini-rivalry contests to toughen up the boys for late season battles AND improve strength-of-schedule stats.
As a Clemson fan, last nights game was a tough blow.
We deserve the ACC title game. We are the best team in the ACC even though we played like CRAP last night IMO.
Did you guys see how Rashard easily ran through that entire secondary for his 2 TDs? We could have lit them up with better play calling. A sweep inside our own 1????Jimbo seriously needs to stop calling plays and establish Rashard as the #1 WR instead of doing this spread the wealth stuff that almost cost us a win.
Yeah, I agree. There is no one in the ACC who is near FSU's level. As a NC State fan, I am just waiting for basketball season now!
Best team in ACC? Thats like Ohio St saying theyre the best in the Big 10. Both would be lucky to be a top 7 team in the SEC and even though I hate the SEC the difference in the quality between these conferences and the SEC gets bigger each year. Only the BIG 12 and the Pac 12 even deserve these guaranteed spots in the BCS this season.
It is interesting how FSU seems to have scoring problems on the road. That could be a problem in the BCS bowl they will inevitably get to. Clemson and FSU would probably be around 6 and 7 in the SEC. Clemson/SCar and Florida/FSU will settle that pecking order in a few weeks.
Should the guaranteed spots be re-evaluated each year? Or perhaps every time the new polls come out?
Maybe now the SEC should have 4 (or more) guaranteed spots? Until next weeks polls perhaps?
Didn't the SEC suck rocks 15-20 years ago?
Should Boise State be given an automatic bid each year (LOL) because they have been "so wronged" for "so long"?
I think they should reevaluate the rules on automatic qualifiers. I think you should be a conference champion ranked in the top 15 (ish) in order to go to a BCS game.
There have been too many examples recently of lowly ranked, 3-4 loss teams from the ACC and Big East (and even Big Ten) making BCS games, while teams ranked in the top 10 get passed over.
1999, Syracuse, #15 with 3 losses
2000, Stanford, #22 with 3 losses
2001, Purdue #17, three losses
2005, Pitt, #21, 3 losses
2006, FSU, #22, 4 losses, loses to a Penn State team that finished with 4 losses and ranked #24
2009, #19 Va Tech, 4 losses, plays #12 Cincy
2011, Unranked UConn, 4 losses
2012, #23 West Va, 3 losses plays #15 Clemson, 3 losses
8 out of 13 years, we've had at least one BCS team that just didn't belong, and in most of those years, they lost the BCS game in question. Also, think about who the Big Ten will put in the Rose Bowl this year. Nebraska? Northwestern? Wisconsin? The odds of a 3-4 loss Big Ten team ranked somewhere between 15 and unranked is a real possibility this year.
If you made a top 15 ranking a requirement, all of those teams except Clemson and Syracuse don't go, and teams ranked higher can go.
Even in 2014 with the four team playoff, there will still be lower ranked conf. champs that pass over more deserving teams in the rest of the games. They've got to make it more difficult than simply winning a bad conference.
Boise should have made it the last 2 years but scrub teams from big goy conferences kept them out then the BOGUS choice of Michigan to go the the Sugar Bowl was made by the big boys again. Why should you be guaranteed the huge payday of a BCS bowl if youre from a conference thats mediocre? Just because they have the power to keep a Boise out?
I have no idea what the SEC sucking 20 years ago means with todays BCS. You just throwing that out there for the hell of it? I am guessing Boise and many other teams that are good today sucked 20 years ago also but that doesnt matter.
Agree and good info
I guess I'm wondering how often we change the system? And how we decide who goes where. And then how universities and conferences budget.
Maybe is should all depend on rankings. But it does create other problems.
The bowl system is FAR more profitable than any playoff could hope to be.
This is college, not the pros.
It turns into a funding issue (ie; conferences want to be able to count on getting a set amount from bowls for their respective conferences).
Yea and instead of getting a big money bowl like they deserved last year, Boise ended up in a bowl with Pennies as a payout with a 6-5 AZ State who didnt even belong in a bowl. If Boise and others have to do with pennies then the big boys who dont belong in a huge payout bowl should have to as well. Why should they be guaranteed anything?
You are clueless. What is our record against the SEC since Jimbo took over? Let me answer that for you - it's 3-0.
What happens if we beat UF in 2 weeks? I doubt you say anything. don't say such ridiculous stuff and then expect to be taken seriously in a public sports forum.
FSU's biggest problem is they play down to their opponents. I believe they would be very competitive in the SEC. A simple knowledge of college football and recruiting in general reinforces my opinion. I wish we were in the SEC just because it would be a lot more fun to watch.
By the way for anyone who is this clueless - we were top 5 in recruiting the past 2 years.
Next year they're going to the 4 team playoff and using the bowls withing that, something they should've done a long long time ago. Something they wouldn't have done if they didn't think it will be profitable.
My idea always has been 6 teams, with the top 2 getting a bye to the semis.
Sorry, gotta agree w/ volleygirl here. Mizzou was an upper level B12 team, so was TAMU, and both are taking their lumps in the SEC. FSU is just now getting back to decency after being down for years and years relatively speaking. But getting chesty from dominating the mighty ACC, I see.
You're both kinda saying the same thing though. LSU's competitive in the SEC and still only 3-2 bc of how tough it really is. I can't imagine FSU doing much better than that all things considered.
Im not getting chesty about anything. You really think we would not be in the top 7 in the SEC?
That is what I am arguing. Especially when we took USC, who was #4 in the SEC 2 years ago to the woodshed with a far inferior team to what we have now.
Do you have any idea of how many of our players will go the league this year? It has nothing to do with the ACC. We have a lot of talent on this team. A ton.
Just for the record we lost a guy named Brandon Jenkins..may want to look him up. We kicked off Greg Reid our best returner, and one of the best in the NCAA, and now our best RB is gone. And we lost 1 game so far. In all honesty I expect a huge dogfight against UF, but if we win that game, come tell me we are not top 7 in the SEC please so I can laugh at you.
I would love to be on the SEC. The ACC blows. I don think anyone disagrees with that. But with our heritage and recruiting pipeline to say we would not compete in the SEC is just shameful ignorance. the fact that we finish top 5 in recruiting outside of that conference is a massive victory in itself. If we were in the SEC we would be top 3 every year easily.
Yea right. I love how anyone who disagrees with you is clueless. FSU knew better than to join the SEC a good while ago because they knew that playing in the SEC meant those 11 win seasons were over. You can believe what you want but the SECs top teams year end and year out would destroy you guys and beating FL this year wont mean you can stay within 20 points of LSU, BAMA, or Georgia. Mizzou fans felt the same way you did to begin the season and now theyre making shirts there to remember their one SEC win this season and that was against Kentucky .
But UF BEAT LSU. I dont understand your logic???? You are really comparing us to Mizzou? Do you even follow college football? This is why you are clueless. How many first round picks does Mizzou have? How many players from Mizzou will get drafted?
Do you see how I at least back up my opinion with tangible facts while your best rebuttal is to compare us to Mizzou? LOL. You are hilarious.
You are right, we have 6-8 NFL prospects on our defense but UGA will beat us by 20 points..amazing. Mark Richt would laugh in your face for posting something that absurd.
Do you watch college football? Do you remember what all the SEC fans said about us before we beat the crap out of USC? Was that some kind of fluke in your mind or did you just start watching the sport this year and need to get up to speed?
Big ****. Auburn was also and look at what they are doing in the SEC. I would love to see you or any team go thru a 4 week span of South Carolina, LSU, Bama, then Georgia. Then get a easy game vs say TN or Vandy then play FL.
How your not undefeated with that schedule is amazing. hell the team that beat you (NC State) got destroyed by TN and TN is winless in the SEC
I know you watch more football than anyone on the planet so you have to have heard of Blaine Gabbert and Aldon Smith. Both Missouri players taken in the top ten in the 2011 draft. I know thats a long time ago so you may have forgotten about them with all the football you watch
Id love to see it to because it would be fun to watch. I hate watching Duke, Wake..etc.
Look what Auburn is doing, you mean rebuilding after losing a once in a lifetime QB after winning a NT TWO years ago? LOL. They will be back.
I want to make sure I get this..you can argue that this team beat that team, so this team is better...but when I point out the same thing, it goes unnoticed? Just trying to figure out how your logic works.
So far you listed 3 teams who are better than us in your biased mind. You need 4 more..keep going.
Yea look what Auburns doing. There coach will be fired at the end ofthe season because of how bad hes done with those top 5 recruiting classes. Who ever said they wouldnt be back?
Floridas gone thru more playing their schedule where your cream puffs have kept you healthier than an SEC schedule does so beating one SEC team doenst mean you could finsih in the top 3 r 4 in the east or west. You cant tell me with all the football you watch that you cant see how wear and tear wear on teams in the SEC?
I am still waiting on the 7 SEC teams better than us. That is what I take issue with. I have never once said the SEC is not the best conference or anything else. I just want to hear 7 teams that are better than us.
And do me a favor and show me a top 5 Auburn class on this list..or top 10..or top 15.
This is what I mean..you just say stuff that is clueless. That is why I call you that.
What number was ours? Wow...crazy. We are built by an SEC coach who won a NT as an OC at LSU. He firmly believes in all the SEC dogma of winning up front and is a Saban disciple. My point is that our team is built like an SEC team and will compete at the level in that conference. Yes it will be a tougher schedule, but it would be so much more fun to watch.
ND at BC.
Winner goes to heaven, film at eleven.
BC is terrible and should get destroyed. I still feel like the refs have given ND aid in 2 wins (stanford and Pitt).
Youre hanging your hat on one class recruitung ranking? So Auburn fell all the way to 17 last year, they have been top 10 almost every year and theyre in last place in the SEC. That translates to probably 3rd in the ACC.
Still never answered if youve heard of Aldon Smith or Gabbert? Guess theyre out of the state of FL so dont matter
This gets better and better..LOL!!! Gabbert is the QB for the Jags!! Wow, you really are completely clueless. Do you know where Jacksonville is? Have YOU heard of Blaine Gabbert?
Waiting on the top 7 list still.
I love how in your posts you come rolling in and make these stupid statements, get called out and just keep going for it while failing harder each time. You did that a lot in the NBA thread and shamed yourself repeatedly. You need to stop acting like such a smart a55 unless you can back up anything you say. What 7 SEC teams are better than FSU? Name them.
SInce hes in FL why were you ranting that MIZZOU never puts any 1st rounders out there? I maybe clueless but youre a dipsheut.
FSU had their chance to join the SEC and picked the easy conference for a reason DS.
How many first round picks does Mizzou HAVE? That was the question. Go back and read what I wrote.
They are a bad team this year. You are living in the past to prove a point about the present. Another reason this is so easy. I have repeatedly said FSU has multiple NFL picks THIS YEAR and would compete in the SEC THIS YEAR.
Now, quit dodging it and give us the 7 SEC teams.
OMG, this is gold. LOL
This season if FSU had ot play an SEC schedule so they had the wear and tear on them like other SEC teams have, I would take Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, South carolina and TX A&M over them. That would put FSU in 7th place.
Thanks for that. It took about 6 posts to get that answer.
I obviously disagree. USC lost lattimore, has a mediocre QB and is not as good as prior years. So I disagree.
UF - we will obviously see. Tough call.
UGA - I think we match up really well against UGA. This is a team who got crushed by USC for no good reason. They are hot and cold.
Bama- I dont think they can lose to anyone, but A&M could pull the upset with their no huddle.
LSU - I question their QB. If we beat UF I think we can also beat LSU, but that game would be epic.
A&M -I want to see how they play bama. We are built like bama with the very deep and talented Dline. Lets see what happens when Bama meets their up tempo offense. But UF beat them so once again, if we beat UF....
The SEC defenses are MUCH better than anything in the ACC. Clemson only beat Auburn by 7 points but still had over 500 yards of offense. I don't think FSU and Clemson are as good as they are rated. I hate to say that about my school but that is just what I believe.
If I say Ohie St, Fl St or other conferences top teams would be lucky to finish in the top 6 or 7 in the SEC I would think its pretty obvious to most football teams which 5 0r 6 teams in the SEC i would have ahead of them since they are the class of the conference by a good margin.
I am just curious why people think FSU's defense is overrated when over half of the starters will be in the NFL next year.
If we beat UF..I just am curious what will be said then.
Watch out Mikeler, you will be called clueless for thinking that. No way SEC defenses can be better than what FSU is used to seeing
Dont be such a sore loser.
And what you just said, I never said BTW. You really twist words when you get desperate.
UF will be the best Defense we faced all year. That is a no brainer.
And South Carolina will be the best Clemson will face. We lit you guys up for 37 on your field. Too bad our defense is so bad.
Your offense was on fire for 2.5 quarters that night. I don't think anyone could have held them in check with the rhythm and playcalling they displayed. But Stoops figured them out and had the horses to put the fire out long enough to let the FSU offense put the game away. The last seven points were meaningless after we wore your team out.
Necessity is the mother of invention but you have to have the tools to create anything. If FSU played a SEC schedule it would force the talent we have to gel so that we could compete every game, win most of them and be in the picture for a divisional title, if not the conference. There's enough skill there on both sides of the ball to get it done and justify my confidence in their ability to compete in any conference in the nation. It's not our fault the ACC as a whole has dropped off the last couple of years. That was not the trend when Fisher
took over. There's a lot of talent in the NFL today that came out of ACC programs that crested in the 00's just as we hit our trough. We have rebounded under Jimbo and I think that trend will continue even as we lose staff to other programs and players to the pros.
I think you hit on the problem. Because Clemson and FSU are not playing good teams every week, they are not able to improve. The same happens in tennis. If I play a few guys that I regularly beat and then all of a sudden face a player that I have a losing record against, I usually struggle. On the rare times where I schedule a few tough players in a row, I usually do better just because the increased level of competition helps me raise my game.
We will find out everything we need to know about Clemson and FSU in 3 weeks. Both have home games against probably the #2 and #3 teams in the SEC East assuming Georgia wins tonight. Until we see those match ups, what any of us say is just speculation.
Dude that is what i have been saying! I mean literally to the t. Thank you Tom for clarifiying.
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