Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by stringertom, Sep 11, 2012.
More Miller and Budweiser time.
I am a huge Cowboys fan, and was only watching the Pats/Ravens game cause I had a lot of players in it. WOW. The Patriots often get the calls in most of their games, but not this one. The Refs extended two Raven drives multiple times with phantom defensive holding calls. Definitely got jobbed.
Though I hate that NFL refs are greedy buggers and shouldn't get paid nearly as much as they are asking for, something is going to have to be done about the horrendous calls if this game is any representation of what's going on throughout the league.
I do agree however that with the NFL rules that the last FG was barely good
Just win baby
Being a bills fan I'm obligated to hate the Pats and even I can say they got hosed in that game on those calls.
Though I was hoping for some way for both teams to lose. I can't stand Ray Lewis, man should be in jail. Plax hilariously shoots himself in the leg and gets 2 years while Ray gets nothing.
Anyone watch the NFL's best front line and that defensive battle Sunday? Two TDs in 18 seconds?
DirtyBirds looking tough! If they gain home-field advantage in the NFC and can rid themselves of the one-and-done syndrome, they'll mosey down to Nawlins for the Big Game. I'd like that for Tony G., a great player and person!
Ok. I must admit this MNF game is one of the worst called games I've ever seen.
It felt like Tim Donaghy somehow found his way out of prison and ref'd the game tonight...
Seriously how much ****ing money did they get paid to call that a touchdown?
I'm not watching anymore NFL football until these replacement officials are gone. This is ****ing ********
You were saying?
^^^MNF ref debacle will be the tipping point...regular zebras will call Week 4 or Goodell needs to look for a new job to ***k up at.
Tie goes to the offensive player...that was SOOO not a tie!
Silence is Golden, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1G_ghE8yY
Just Win, Baby!
I actually went to bed around the 2 minute mark assuming the game was over so I didn't see that controversial hail mary.
Seeing it on that video, it doesn't look that bad. The push off could or could not have been called. Those PI calls are rarely called on hail marys. Tie goes to the receiver.
But, there were a lot of phantom PI calls in that game in general on both sides.
It wasn't a tie. Tate didn't get a hand on the ball until after Jennings came down with it... And even then he only got 1 hand on the ball while Jennings had it pinned against his chest.
Not sure how anyone could be that stupid...
Even one official called it a touchback while the other moron called it a touchdown...
That was NOT a tie though. GB guy had the ball firmly against his chest, Tate basically had one arm on it. One ref called an INT, the other called a TD. Just a joke.
I wasnt aware of the rule that says you have to have both arms on the ball to posees or catch it. The left arm of Tate is pretty close the catching it at the same time. In real time its hard to see where the left hand is but to me it appears that he is cupping it.
Jennings needs to knock it down and this aint an issue.
They both signaled TD then the other guy waved the arms to signafy time was over. I dont think that call is as bad as everybody makes it seem.
I know you have to be too cool for school as always, but comeon man, that was a god awful call.
Derrick Mason, former pro bowl WR here in nashville was on radio this morning and insisted the correct call was made by the refs so all the experts on their couches who want to rip the refs maybe wrong for once. He also said the announcers continual fanning the flames with every close call NEVER did that with the regular refs so it just appears these are missing more calls. He said older refs blew just as many calls and that ESPN and sports talk radio are blowing this out of proportion to rile up the fans so their tv and radio rating go up.
Did you see the Super Bowl between the Seahawks and Steelers? That was supposedly the BEST crew of refs in the NFL and they totally controlled that game and made sure of the outcome. There are so many examples of games the regular refs screwed over teams with missed calls where it was a lot easier call than this Hail Mary was.
JBF that pic you have is after he ripped it away from Tate. When they both came down both guys hands were on the ball.
They made the correct call. One called a TD, the other a TB.
I was in a volleyball league match so didnt see the game, only the replays but I was just saying what Mason said. It was a very tough call and no one knows what the regular refs would have ruled.
It was one of the worse call in the history of the NFL
It was NOT a tie. Packer's Jennings clearly caught the ball and it should be ruled as an interception.
Anyone who believe the Seahawks won that game has no integrity to the sport.
I was watching it and didnt know the rule when both players catch it at the same time becuase I thought they caught it at the same time. That was my inital reaction while watching it live. The replay didnt do anything to make me think otherwise.
I honestly saw Tate's one hadn touch the ball at the same time as Jennings 2. I think it was close enough to simultaneous if there is nothign stating that if one guy has 2 hand on it and the other guy has one then the guy with 2 hands overules. When both players feet touch the ground tate has as much control with his one arm as Jennings does his two. Now if two hands oberule one hand then yes the refs blew it.
Since I have never seen anything like that happen ever and I dont think I will again. I also will wager the next Hail Mary that Jennings defends he will knock it down instaed of catching it.
Also the refs can only review if the ball was caught not who caught it. Thats the NFLs rule not the somehting the replacements missed.
ah the "real" refs are back.
Just in time to again coddle Brady boy against the Bills this weekend... ugh
Also, can't believe we cut Brian Moorman...
DerrickMason called it correctly.
You guys who don't think so didn't play organized football.
I was a reciever for 3 years in high school. Anytime both the DB and the reciever landed with hands on the ball, the offense get's the call and the ball.
That is the rule, has been since 1964, when I started JV's in 10th grade.
Plays like that have happenned all thru the years, always favoring the offensive player.
DB should have wrestle the ball AWAY from the reciever, to get his interception.
I just found it odd how fast the media jumped all over that particular play, when there have been plenty in that game and others that were easily noticed to be terribly wrong. In real time the catch itself (after the blatant PI) was fast and bang bang. The fact that Tate had his hand on it the whole time while he was landing makes it too cloase to be so terrible of a call to get the atention that was warranted.
How would they (media) have reacted had it been rogers throwin the mary and a packer doing what tate did. It would have probably been a heads up great play by the WR for knowing that contact is never called and contrioling the ball with one hand to ensure the simultaneous possesion. The media poops on seattle miserbaly all the time, and they think Carroll is a weasel coach (which he sorta is) and dont want to give him any credit.
The receiver had ONE HAND on the ball, if that, while the DB had two hands. And I've already posted that the NFL rule is that both guys have to have both hands on it for it to be a simultaneous catch, in which case yes, the receiver would get possession. But that wasn't the case here.
Stop trying to change the narrative here. The media has been pointing out the **** poor calls all season, that was just the breaking point. Again, one ref ruled it INT while the other ruled it TD. Even after review they got the call wrong. Period. And don't forget the no-call on the blatant PI by Tate.
Good point, JBfan....
But is still don't believe they will ever inforce a rule that is counter to high school and college play, and nowadaze, lots of recievers regularly catch the ball with one hand, fending off the DB with the other hand. It's still a catch, one handed or two, and in that scrum, one hand was enough, regardless of the posted rule.
Pity, these refs will not cover next Monday's game.
There are some rules that are diff from HS/College - 2 feet in for TD/receptions vs 1 foot for College, Illegal Contact of the receivers after 5 yards, which isn't even a penalty in college.
To have possession, the WR or DB not only has to have possession of the ball but also have their feet on the ground. I know the Packer had possession of the ball first but he was in the air so if Tate got his hands around the ball with the Packer at the time their feet hit the ground, wouldnt that be a simulatneous reception? And therefore it would go go the offensive player by rule? Just asking because I cant ever think of a play like that where guys were in the air and then maybe both getting possession as they hit the ground.
I'm sure it happenned plenty of times.
I can only go by my high school experience, where the offensive player was favored, and we as LB's were taught to knock down the ball, rather than risk a double reception when it's a close call.
Almost every reciever in my high school regularly made one handed catches when fending off a DB who was trying to grab our jerseys or arms.
Am I wrong or isn't this new having only two teams on a bye in the first break in the 16-game schedule??? It was usually at least four teams sitting, IIRC.
I'm at work and not able to watch First Take but, apparently I've been reading Stephen A Smith is discussing how the picture below from some Charlotte paper is racist. Apparently, Hello Kitty is somehow offensive.
In other news I hope we saw this week that realistically the regular officials really aren't that much better if at all.
and once again. Same Old Bills.
Week 5 and there's only 3 unbeaten teams left, one of them playing tonight and a second also scheduled for primetime MNF. It's a good chance for everyone to see if either is for real.
I'm getting more convinced about Houston by the week. Wade Phillips has transformed their "D" into a nasty force to deal with. J.J. Watt is making Mario Williams easy to forget. This is great for their "O" because they can rely less on Schaub to AJ and maybe keep them from falling prone to their history of injuries. The two-headed RB threat also helps but Tate is a bit banged up so Foster might be busy Monday vs. my Jets, who are in a hopeless freefall after losing Revis and Holmes to the IR.
Tonight the least plugged of the three unbeatens gets to show their stuff. Arizona finished strong in '11 and Kolb has settled into a reliable QB in Whisenhut's system. He has good targets and a decent running game plus their "D" produces in the clutch. They used to travel badly and the Jones Dome is pretty hostile so I wouldn't bet the rent money on them tonight.
DirtyBirds go to DC to face RGIII a week after Cam scared them at home. I think they bounce back and make it 5-0 more easily. Too many weapons for the Skins to defend.
Game of the week doesn't make primetime...Peyton vs Brady. The loser will be 2-3 but probably within reach of the division lead. I think Manning will continue the rollercoaster ride he's on and come up on the short side.
Mario Williams. Disaster.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ams-again-blames-performance-on-wrist-injury/ <--Wrist Injury is the reason for performance.
Von Miller can relate.
Texan's fans warned us.
Down to two teams unbeaten...Arizona looked horrible on the road but the credit should go to Jeff Fisher for coaching his guys up. They will be tough at home the rest of the way.
Texan's fans warned us.[/QUOTE]
Texans last season actually got better after he got hurt and was out.....it was funny how happy we are to see his non existent motor move on to western New York....
Happy Turducken Everybody! Finally sitting back after too much food and watching the Texan/Lion rollercoaster, knowing full well it's just Act 1 in a 3-act play. Hope the other two are as tight as this baby was.
I miss John Madden, especially on Thanksgiving!
Alex Smith is the new Wally Pipp to Colin Kaepernick's Lou Gehrig walk on role. He is now backing up his premiere vs the Bears with a strong performance against the Saints. I knew he could run but he's got a nice arm too. 49er "D" just added a second pick six vs Brees.
Terribkle play by the ChArgers yestrday to allow a 4th and 29 conversion. They would have been right in the thick of the WC hunt.
About every NFC WC team lost yesterday, and the colts win gives them a good shot to get to playoffs in Lucks first year.
Chargers always find new ways to lose. Norv should've been fired years ago, and Rivers is regressing quickly.
I think Rivers needs a change of scenery. Tons of those little 3rd and 4 slant routes those guys just dropped in the 4th QTR and OT. You can tell Rivers is frustrated.
I think last week he was sacked with like 20 seconds left and just walked off the field, he didnt even try to run another play.
Maybe the Chargers owner is sticking with Norv so the team bottoms out and he can move them to LA.
I think it was the Pasadena City Council last week that OK'd an amendment to allow enough extra days of use for the Rose Bowl to be an NFL venue. Which team winds up there nobody knows. #2 TV market should generate billions!
San Diego has the easiest move. And no Lease on the stadium to break. I think the team has paid off the early 2000 renovations and can leave with no penalty.
Jacksonville never made sense when the made it an NFL city and it doesnt make sense now.
Those are the only two in my book that make sense. But with so much cash to be made somebopdy will move and the sooner the better for all parties related to NFL.
The Vikings are ready to go if the state/county plans don't get funded for a replacement to the Metrodome. I don't blame them...they have built Target Field for the Twins and a 50,000-seat on-campus field for the Golden Gophers and have put off the Vikes for SIX years! Their season-ticket base is one of the lowest figures in the league despite having a rich tradition and notable on-field success prior to '11. If the politicos don't cough up the dough, Ziggy will zag out West!
It would be the Ravens Bronws all over again.
Vikes leave to LA, Minny builds stadium. Jags come in assuming the vikes name. Then the Anehiem Burbank Beverly Hills Football Team of California wins the bowl while the the new Vikes (Jags) remain to be terrible.
I completely agree. I am a big Rivers fan, and at this point I am almost rooting against the Chargers so Norv will be fired. Or I hope that they trade Rivers soon.
Low-flying Eagles clawed by toothless Panthers for their seventh straight loss. LOL...14 months ago this was "The Dream Team"! Many changes ahead for this franchise before the '13 season.
Its pretty sad when the Phillies have won a game later than the eagles
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