2012 NFL Season Discussion

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by stringertom, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. stringertom

    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    LOL...even though they didn't get into postseason play!
     
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    Eagles last win.

    Sept 30 against the giants even

    Philles last win

    Oct 1

    Kinda sad
     
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    Best and easiest move would be the Chargers BACK to L.A. Remember the Chargers were first the Los Angeles Chargers for the first few years of existence and fans in SAN (those that are left) could make the easy drive on Sundays up north.

    Hard part is getting the L.A. Folks to really care and support the NFL full time with so many idiot owners.......Rams should never have left (NO WAY should the Rams be in St Louis nor the Colts in Indy - its still wrong) but a sucky greedy owner can cause a ton of damage -G Frontiere, Bud Adams, Irsay.....
     
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    LA as a sports town is overrated. Sure they'll support when you're good but they won't turn up if you're bad. Jags, Chargers, Vikes, Raiders have to be good to succeed in LA, can't just turn up and expect people to go through LA traffic to watch a bad team.
     
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    This.

    LA is a horrible sports town, just like every city in Florida. My guess is because many of the residents don't have a real connection with the city since, they are mostly transplants.

    LA has had a couple shots at NFL teams already, they don't need another.

    Go Bills!
     
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    But the pure numbers of LA make it a perfect "modern" sportstown. Its about TV revenue now. they will sell out the games in a new stadium.

    LA is too big of a media market to not have a team soon. The owners are basically losing money every week a team is not in LA.
     
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    For how long though? Even Goodell says NFL has to compete with people who'd rather stay home and watch on TV or at a sports bar than actually go to the game so that they can keep up with other games while watching their own, as well as their fantasy team and other stuff.

    I just don't see LA as this magical city where everything succeeds. Lakers succeed because they win, but Dodgers, Clippers, all struggled to keep seats filled when they struggled.

    How does NFL TV revenue work anyway? Doesn't the league have set contracts already regardless of whether a team's in LA or not? Honest question, not sure how a team in LA would work in the big picture of TV revenue.
     
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    Its all about future TV Deals. Mainly Diect TV expires in 2015, and the NFL will probably sell out the thursday package to the Networks as well. Those deals are more valuable with a team in LA as opposed to smaller markets.



    Heres some basic headlines from 2011 when they reached the latest agreement.


    ESPN and the NFL reached an eight-year extension to keep Monday Night Football on ESPN through the 2021 season. The Sports Business Journal reported the rights agreement (which included additional content rights) was worth $1.9 billion per year, a 63 percent increase over the average price of the current deal.


    National Football League owners voted to approve $27.9 billion of TV deals with Fox, CBS and NBC on Wednesday, confirming pro football as the driving force in an industry facing fundamental change.

    As expected, the networks will pay 63% more on average to air NFL games from 2014 to 2022. Fox will pay an average of about $1.1 billion for the National Football Conference package, which includes many of the league's biggest markets, say people familiar with the talks. CBS will pay about $1 billion a year over the life of the deal for the American Football Conference package, which will include a handful of NFC games. And NBC will pay $950 million a year for nine years for the Sunday night prime-time package.

    Overall annual broadcast revenue for the NFL will jump from an annual average of $1.9 billion in the 2007-2013 period to nearly $3.1 billion for 2014-22. Including deals with ESPN and satellite broadcaster DirecTV, the NFL will collect about $6 billion a year in total TV revenue beginning in 2014, a figure that will likely increase the following year after the DirecTV deal expires.


    They want a team in LA by 2015 so the can max out the Direct TV re-up.

    Also the thrusday night package will be sold soon so expect NBC Sports, Turner, and the whole list of Networks to go crazy bdding for those games.
     
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    Eight regular-season dates is a whole different scheme than 40, 41 and 81 dates...they will sell out due to the magnitude of an every-other-week event cycle, provided the stadium site is convenient for the high-rollers from the entertainment industry. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if Pasadena stays in the mix over an Irvington site that was proposed years ago.
     
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    Teams right now aren't selling out every week - Cincy, TB, SD all had blackouts last week. I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical about the view of LA being an automatic w/ teh NFL.
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    Music, film & TV moguls, agents and stars will flock to the stadium in a much more massive manner than they throng at the Staples Center for their chance to see and be seen courtside during Laker Time. TB, Cincy and SD just don't have that type of population segment to appeal to.

    Back to the '12 season...Saints/Falcons on Thursday kicks off a Week 13 schedule with at least eight matchups with playoff impact. Colts @ Lions and Bucs @ Broncos are just a couple of Sunday games I'll key on...two young teams that need a vital win on the road.
     
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    Moguls have better things to do than go to football games. And they likely won't be season ticket holders, only one time a season goers. Regardless my original point still stands, stars won't 'flock' to any team that loses, like most of the candidates for relocation do.
     
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    Believe what you want...I guarantee every luxury box and most of any preferred club level seats they build and design for in a reconfigured Rose Bowl will sell out the first week to the Hollywood execs, talent agents, and record producers that grab Staples Center courtside seats. The diehard UCLA fanbase will be used to the venue location and buy in on season tickets...kinda like a 14-game home schedule. USC fans will also support in strong numbers.

    LA supported TWO teams for a decade despite a decrepit facility in a lousy neighborhood. The Rams move to remote Anaheim messed them up and helped legitimize Georgia Frontiere's hijack to St Loo. The Raiders? Well Al Davis was just being Al Davis, a guy obsessed with butting head vs authority. Where the team played was just a miniplot in his melodrama. Fanbases tire of that attitude more than teams that lose too frequently.

    As to the candidates to relocate, Minnesota is 6-5 today and only 2+ years removed from a SB contender, have a perennial All-Pro RB. They are as strong a team as any market can expect and have a lot of potential to improve (2nd-year QB). Purple and gold moved West from Minnesota once and it worked. History sometimes repeats itself.
     
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    Brees sinful in Saints' loss and his streak is done @54 games with a TD pass. While not eliminated from the playoff derby, IMO you can stick a devil's pitchfork through their heavenly body!
     
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    I Agreee te Saints are done.
     
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    Does Brees have some secret injury we don't know about?
    He was Brees before the 49'ers second quarter, then suddenly started to make errant decisions and errant throws. He went from Brees to JeffGeorge during the 49'er's game.
    And JeffGeorge stayed with NewOrleans throughout the Atlanta lost.
    I'd bet on a slight concussion. Notice the timing patterns were way off. Notice the incredible amount of AlexSmith check off 3 yard passes.
    We and NO KNOW that Atlanta and before, SF, was rushing the passer. Where did the timing patterns go?
     
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    Vick has no freaking protection :twisted:

    He has the potential for GOAT level QBing, but he gets sacked every other play!
     
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    Commentators always say, the key to a great QB is the effectiveness of the blocking OLine. With an OL, maybe DavidCarr and JaMarcusRussell would have been great QB's.
     
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    Carr IDK, but you obviously didn't have the (mis)fortune of watching Russell in Oakland if you think O line was the reason he sucked.
     
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    Well, I've lived in Berkeley since 1996. That's right next to Oakland.
    I also lived in SanFrancisco from '49 thru '85, so am a 49'er fan.
    The few images I have of JaMarcus was of him getting blindsided by a right side OLB. Then he'd throw the next 10 balls hard and inaccurately, like he was scared and big eyed. Like anyone would. OTOH, he looked around 290 lbs., immobile and slow, and not liking contact. He had no touch, to complete shorter passes or checkoff passes, slants, or buttonhooks. He didn't throw like he was throwing darts, he threw like he was always trying to throw a football as far as possible.....for him a reputed 100 yards with 3 steps.
     
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    Russell and Leaf must vie as biggest QB busts ever. In JaMarcus' case, he should have been drafted by the Vikings...that way his codeine syrup (Purple Drank) would have matched his jersey.
     
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    ToddMarinovich. Carr as mentioned, that no1 pick for the 49'ers, Gino who?
     
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    Torretta? A seventh-round pick isn't a bust, just a small risk. Likewise, Marinovich (late first round) was not the risk level of Russell and Carr (both first overall) and Leaf (second behind Peyton). Carr did OK for an expansion team with a sieve of an "O" line. Also, NY must agree with him...he has a SB ring, even if it's earned as a back-up.

    Lee, are you warm and dry? I noticed the Bay Area is suffering through some wet weather.
     
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    It's been on and off rain for 3 days, yes.
    I"m inside my g/f's house, mostly on here but applying mud, sanding, and patching a wall in anticipation of primer and paint. One thing about mudding work, there are periods of waiting for the white stuff to dry.
    Thanks.
     
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    Is it me? Or did it seem like everybody knew Russell was a bust except for the team that drafted him... same with Gabbert.
     
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    Carr did ok but as mentioned he got killed in his early yrs (one really BAD year) and once he got those happy feet he was done in Houston. Also had a lousy work ethic and became a real wuss (REALLY Lousy he was one of the guys that would be last in and first out and for a QB not good) as Kubiak gave him a full yr to prove himself before he made the trade for Schaub. Carr has had a 10+ yr career so far -

    Russell and Leaf are at the top along with Marinovich........Al Davis had two huge busts under his watch.....
     
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    JeMarcus and Leaf are the two biggest busts ever but I think Akili Smith and Heath Shuler were both more of busts than marinovich was.
     
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    Can't mention Smith without also calling out the Browns for taking Tim Couch with the overall #1 in the same draft.
     
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    Still, a consistent OL that can protect the QB for 3.5 seconds seems key to a successfull team and QB. Look at what Brees is going thru since the 2nd quarter of the 49'ers game last week. He's been harrassed and knocked down on almost every single pass attempt, and his efficientcy rating has gone down the tubes. Upright, I think he's the premier passer in the league, bar none. His deep timing passes are the best for sure.
    Most top draft pick QB's go to teams in need of OL and overall personel, which is why they got the high draft pick. Bad teams don't get suddenly better with just one good QB, although lots of you would point to Indianapolis and Luck. I see better protection than last year there.
     
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    Couch wasnt good but wasnt a complete bust like alot of guys. He actually played decent for a couple years when you consider how bad the talent around him was. Shuler and Akili never did anything.
     
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    Brady and Rodgers are the top 2 QBs in the league IMO and then Brees is in that next group of QBs.
     
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    Rodgers has sucked big time as of late, as his OL cannot keep two guys from hitting him before he has a chance to decide where to throw.
    Brady is unreal.
    Brees, to me, at barely if 6' tall, is the premier QB in the game, when he's up on two wheels. Knock him down early and often, he get's derailed.
    While Luck does get some help, he get's no help compared to the 3 you mentioned. It's a question of ....will he stay good while his team improves, or will his body break down as the team is improving...
     
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    Dont get me wrong, Brees is good but he gets to throw in the dome for over half his games where Brady and Rodgers have to do it in tough weather and they still dominate. I would take those 2 over Brees anyday.
     
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    Brees isn't in that group with them? The guy just broke the record for yards in a season, didn't he?
     
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    Like I said earlier, he gets to play over half his games inside the dome so he has ideal conditions to pass in. Passing yardage records in todays NFL will probably be broken every year. 5,000 yd seasons arent even news worthy anymore.
     
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    On a more somber note, the Chiefs' already disastrous season has now turned tragic. They will play today but I doubt many of the squad and staff will be thoroughly focused on football after Saturday's events.
     
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    The sadness continues, despite mostly positive results from their rookie QB/RB combo...memo to Bryce Brown: hang on to the bean a bit better!

    Other young QBs review...Luck & Wilson win on the road and Freeman made it close after surrendering a pick6. Let's see what RG3 does tonight!
     
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    They seemed to be more focused. Just an odd situation. The guy kills his GF, then goes and thanks the coaches for giving him a chance to pro football and offs himself.

    The girl was Jamal Charles' cousin and he and his wife had set them up together. Cant imagine what kind of 2d guessing is going on.

    Nick Foles seems like the 2d coming of Joe Flacco. Big guy with a huge arm, give him a decent defense and running game and he will beat the teams he is supposed to. But they dont seem like championship caliber guys.
     
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    Living in VA right now is insufferable with all the Deadskin fans who probably couldn't name any player on the team outside of RGIII. Awful.
     
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    They do love them some RGIII. So far it seems justified.
     
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    Lost in the RG3 mania is the other end of the Skins' draft chart...Alfred Morris now is over the 1,100-yard season mark and cements the Shanahan reputation for grooming unknown RBs for his cutback, zone blocking scheme.

    Luck & RG3 get most of the rookie media attention but the first-year M&M twin RBs have earned some ink...Doug Martin in Tampa and Morris are great breakthroughs at a position that usually takes a bit longer to succeed at on the pro level.
     
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    The college kids in general now seem to be more prepared for the pro ranks and have gotten better across the board as rookies. Pretty soon there will hardly any talent decelpment left. It will be all system based learing curves.

    The NFL has it made by not having to have leagues that cost them money to develop talent. The NBA is close with that stupid D-League.

    MLB and Hockey 98% of young players need years to get to the level of the pros. Costing the leagues milions of dollars in revenue.
     
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    Texans @ Pats matchup is huge this week and it's a good chance it's just a tuneup for the AFC title game. I like the Texans due to a little bit stouter defense and better balance on offense. It will be a test for them though...third straight road game (6-0 away record is impressive) and probable foul weather vs Brady & Co.

    JJ Swatt to the rescue...the man sacks and swats with the best of them...Houston 31-27!
     
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    oh my...

    Please tell me some of you caught Rob Parker discussing RGIII on First Take the other day. He should be probably be out of a job, people have been fired for much less.

    When Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless look sane there's an issue.
     
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    No doubt. ESPN has gotten worse every year for the last decade and now its not even watchable. I bet they dont even fire the dumbass but will probably give him his own show.
     
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    Didn't work out so well with the Texans in Foxboro this week. Good luck with the Colts though and

    GO PATS!
     
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    The Texans were still on CST as they didn't show up until an hour or so into the game. As to the Colts, Houston draws them twice in the final three weeks...4th-quarter Luck may run dry at least once this season but he's still the story of the season with all the comebacks.

    Should be an interesting conclusion of the regular season everywhere if there are as many nail biters as this past week.
     
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    Amazing day in the NFL, capped off by SNF classic near comeback by Pats! Rookie QBs account for three wins with a second-year guy getting another. Backup rookie Cousins puts 38 on the board for the 'Skins. Rookie Wilson leads Seahawks to second-straight 50-count. 'Fins keep faint playoffs alive behind rookie Tannehill. Sophomore Kaepernick outduels Brady. What a day...only missing a Luck-y comeback from the Colts.

    Falcon beatdown of the Giants was impressive and sets up a three-way dash for the NFC East after the 'Skins/'Boys wins.

    Gonna be a great last two weeks!
     
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    Regarding the SNL skit....
    I hate it when a team plays conservative defense against an accurate QB. You'd think the 49'ers, of all teams, should know this.
    Thru years of Brodie, Montana, Young, the only teams to beat them sacked their QB's at least 6 times, and knocked him down at least 15 times.
    Either that, or they stuffed the run and the pass, by stacking the line of scrimmage.
    What, you may ask, is the counter? You rush the QB relentlessly and use fresh legs. You maintain your line gaps, crowd one side, and rush a DB or OLB.
    You do not play conservative defense.
    And you certainly don't play conservative offense, like running Gore every single 1st and 10 up the middle.
    You throw in tons of slants, swing passes, and draw plays.
    Little of which the 49'ers tried.
     
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    Yup, they didn't. 30 day suspension WITH pay.

    Way to send a message ESPN. Same punishment as the "chink in the armor guy." Except the other guys was in all likelihood an honest mistake.
     
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