2012 NFL Season Discussion

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by stringertom, Sep 11, 2012.

  1. hollywood9826

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    Rob parker should have been gone along time ago, he has never been any good.

    My buddy described first take as this.

    "Skip vs Steven A and whatever other random black guy they pick for that day"

    Im pretty much down to watching the 30 for 30's, NBA countdown, and PTI.
     
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    ESPN must be down with the casue then.
     
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    Niners on SNF 2nd straight week on the road and facing very similar conditions in Seattle...cold, rainy and LOUD! Seattle's "D" will be tougher...no shootout like at the RazorBowl last week. Will be surprised if it gets much past 40 total points despite Wilson & the 'Hawks posting 50+ two weeks running. 'Hawks 21-17 is my guess.
     
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    Congradulation to Calvin Johnson for breaking Jerry Rice record for most receiving yards in a season.
     
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    His eighth straight 100-yd game set a record and he can become the first receiver with 12 100-yd games in a season next week. Congrats & good luck next week...2,000 yards is within reach too!

    Today I'll be cheering for AD Peterson...less than a year removed from reconstructive knee surgery and knocking on the door for both 2,000 yards and Dickerson's all-time season rushing record. This, in a pass-happy era on a team with close to zero of a passing game...truly amazing!
     
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    Yeah, what a year this is. If Peterson breaks Dickerson's record, I don't who has a better year between Johnson and Peterson. Extraordinary achievement.
     
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    Gotta be Peterson, if he gets there.

    As Jon Gruden pointed out constantly last night, in spite of being a great achievement, a lot of Megatron's yards this season have been meaningless, picked up when down big against teams in soft coverage.
     
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    Both of their feats are incredible especially when every defense knows who will get the ball.
     
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    Not to mention the rules are heavily favoring receivers now compared to before.
     
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    Total rushing plays per game throughout the league is way down, which makes Peterson's achievements even more incredible. His YAC is better than most backs' total yards. Meanwhile, with all the extra pass plays we have a couple of guys (Watt, Aldon Smith) within reach of Strahan's season sack record.
     
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    Ok, so if Washington beats Dallas they're in....but what if they lose, what are the scenarios that would get them in with a loss against Dallas ?
     
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    They will need losses by both the Vikings (vs GB) and the Bears (vs Detroit). I'm still scratching my head to figure out what needs to happen for the Giants to squeeze in...a win, those two losses and a Skins win???
     
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    ^Yup, ironically enough Giants need the Skinz to win the division, so they can secure the final wildcard spot, assuming all other wildcard potentials lose.
     
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    What do y'all think of the (supposedly) new Miami Dolphins logo? (I saw it first on yardbarker.com) I'm glad they made the dolphin a little more realistic-looking and took the helmet off its head, but they could have at least put some eyes on it. Don't like how they made the flaming hoop smaller.
     
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    Looks like Shamu's blind little ba$****.

    :razz:

    Wonder who's getting fired come this upcoming "Black Monday" when the regular season ends??....
     
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    Chan Failey... I mean Gailey. His misuse of CJ Spiller alone is worthy of an instant canning among other things. Stubborn old man.
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    Norv Turner is done in SD. Same for their GM AJ Smith.

    As a Jets fan, Wrecks Ryan should be shown the door but is owed too much. GM Tannenbaum will be fired, thankfully!
     
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    I think I speak for the fans of every other team in the league when I say this, but, watching Rex and the Jets circus self implode this season was marvelous... could not have happened to a more deserving team.

    :)
     
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    As a Clemson alum, the lack of touches for CJ Spiller in Buffalo is baffling.
     
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    We had a good run but Wrecks lost direction and control of the lockerroom starting in '11 and it spiraled away this year. Just not a cohesive identity and as the saying goes, "the fish rots from the head". He and Tannenbaum must share the brunt for the poor personnel moves and lack of offensive identity. Ryan is not an offensive guru and, frankly, that's what has been lacking throughout his tenure. Sparano wasn't the answer so maybe we should get a Bruce Arians...great work as an interim head guy. Big Ben misses him in Pittsburgh and Luck grew up fast under him.

    I get no joy from other teams' troubles so the "most deserving" tag is a bit of a rip...there are plenty of character guys, present and past, to have worn the green and white that makes me proud to be a Jet guy "from my first cigarette to my last dying day".
     
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    Beating Dallas twice in one season and winning the Division ? It can't be any better for a Skins fan !
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    The postseason is full of great storylines...two rookie QBs taken 1-2 in the playoffs and, yet a third rookie QB taken much later could upstage them both...a sixth round rookie RB goes for 200 yards in the finale to get his team in the playoffs...two All-World players bounce back from devastating injuries to play in January...a coach battles back from leukemia and rejoins his team in week 17 after they clinch a postseason berth...can Peyton learn from Eli how to beat a Brady?...could Seattle arrange a rematch with Green Bay to prove the Fail Mary wasn't a fluke?...can the Falcons finally win a playoff game?...can the Harbraugh Bros do what the Manning Bros haven't and make the Super Bowl a family affair?

    So many story lines...stay tuned, as the plot thickens!
     
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    ^^^^

    Im hoping for anything but the SF BAL SB. I said this last year as well, but seeing so many Ravens fans around here wear team gear only on weeks of victories drives me crazy. I couldnt stand the Camp Hard-Baugh shirts that poeple were wear every year for training camp.

    So just imagine how much seeing a Super-Baugh shirt would tick me off.

    Actually maybe I should make the stupid shirts and make a few bucks.
     
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    Flacco ain't taking that team anywhere near the SB. Don't worry about it.
     
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    Thats what I tell those every monday night bowling. And I was telling them at the end of last year they should have traded Flacco and gave Peyton max contract. These people around here think Flacco is actually good.

    They were talking on the radio this morning how he is better than Romo becuase he didt cost his team the Playoffs with interceptions. How fast they forget his pick that ended last years playoffs. And the 1st and goal 99yd pick 6 he threw two weeks ago.
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    IIRC, it was a missed 32-yard FG that ended their run???
     
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    Yea I was actually thinking about two years ago when they had that big lead and Flacco chuked that 3rd QTR pick against the steelers.

    All I remember last year was how Flacco got outplayed by TJ Yates in the 1st round

    Regardless, Flacco is not real good.
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    I'm not big on Flacco either but you're wrong about Yates outplaying him...Flacco threw 2 TDs/0 picks; Yates had 0 TDs/3 picks. Ravens won 20-13. The Cundiff miss happened the next week in the AFC championship game vs BradyPats...he got them into position to tie and probably force OT. Not his bad on that loss.
     
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    Black Monday very dark for many...biggest surprise: where is the "love" in Chicago? Lovie axed ain't right by me! Hope he gets a shot as HC right away.
     
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    Was surprised by Lovie. He did not deserve the ax. He'll get a HC job somewhere else I'm sure. With a good oline Chicago is a championship caliber team.

    But, Chan Gailey getting the ax! Hallelujah it's about time. Best news I've heard all year. I'm sure he'll get a head coaching job at a highschool somewhere.
     
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    stringertom G.O.A.T.

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    There you go...Lovie meet krz; krz say hi to Lovie!

    Seriously, Lovie knows defense so he could Super Mario the Bills to challenge BradyPats. Then bring in a read-option offensive guru and make Brad Smith into a more experienced RG3/Russell Wilson type. The pieces are there.
     
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    haha Brad Smith what a perfect waste of 4mil a year.

    I wouldn't mind Lovie in Buffalo but, I'd want us to go with someone new and fresh. If we could get him I would like Chip Kelly. Obviously, his offense isn't going to work at this level but, I think there is something to be said about the fact that he's winning by coaching and not really constantly having top talent year in and year out.
     
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    WOWWW- Ray Lewis announced that he will be retiring after this season...
     
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    This just adds more spice to an already hefty stew of WC weekend storylines! Houston/Cinci (two teams headed in opposite arcs) kick it off, followed by a Week 17 rematch (Vikes/Pack). Then on Sunday we've got three rookie QBs trying to put their stamp on a ticket to the divisional round. At least one (Wilson/RG3) will survive. Chuckstrong Indy on a Luck-y streak could send Ray-Ray into early retirement. Should be a whole lot of fun!
     
  35. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    LOL, loving the Baltimore crowd...

    "BULLSH!T!... BULLSH!T!... BULLSH!T!..."
     
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    Certainly hope RG3 will be alright. There was no one around him, and knees don't bend sideways like that...

    I wonder if Dr. James Andrews is telling Mike Shanahan "I told you so..."

    Edit: He's back on the sideline, doesn't look like he'll come back into the game though.
     
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    I like Seattle's chances this weekend...they are traveling well now and if there is a secondary that can neutralize Gonzalez, Jones & White to make the Falcons one-dimensional it's the Seahawks. The rookie Wilson already has one more playoff win than (cold as January) Matty Ice. 'Hawks 27-13 to set up a rematch with the Packers/Niners winner.
     
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    It boggles my mind how in love the media and fans are with Ray Lewis.

    Plax spent two years in prison and for what? Hilariously shooting himself in the leg on accident. Lewis is at the very least an accomplice in a stabbing murder and gets a misdemeanor after agreeing to stab his buddies in the back (pun intended.)
     
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    ^^^Yeah, Lewis is Teflon Man...even his teammate, Jamaal Lewis, got hammered harder for lending his cellphone to drug conspirators.

    krz, your thoughts on the Marrone hire...lower profile than expected but a real strong personality to gather the locker room around and some pedigree in coaching an O-line to greatness in front of my Jet fave, Curtis Martin. I'm wishing Woodhead Johnson had dumped Wrecks Ryan in favor of a Marrone type...someone who has a clue what an offense should look like.
     
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    Can't say I'm dissapointed, I'm just happy we aren't hiring senior citizens anymore. He had a .500 record at cuse but, in his defense they had no talent when he got there and he completely turned that program around. And I agree that he has a strong personality to lead the team, I honestly felt like Chan Failey lost the players half way through this season.

    I'm also happy we didn't go with a retread like Whiz, Jon Gruden. They won superbowls but, I feel we need someone new and fresh. We also just signed Pettine DC from the Jets.

    We ran a 3-4 2 years ago and switched to a 4-3 this year. Question is will Pettine bring back the 3-4? Either way it's hard to get worse than that vanilla D Wanndstedt was running. I also wonder... and you probably know better than I do, who really ran the Jets D Pettine or Rex?

    I feel like we are making moves and actually trying to win now. But, being a Bills fan we know better than anyone not to get excited, every year they find a different way to disappoint their fans. The way Gailey was utilizing Spiller this year was infuriating, everyone except knew what was wrong except Gailey. Heck, he probably knew he was just too stubborn to admit it.
     
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    ^^^The first two years of Wrecks' watch was really an easy transition from his role as DC @ Baltimore...he had Scott and Leonhard to run things right on the field. Then they dumped Leonhard due to season-ending injuries and Scott started aging so the "D" was more in Pettine's hands...good at times but vulnerable to home-run plays, both rushing and passing.

    Pettine will be a better fit in Buffalo than Wannstedt and I think he'll know better how to scheme for the talents he will manage...your secondary is strong enough to allow some "exotics" in the game-plan. Look for Mario to be a little more "super"!

    Re: Spiller usage...don't expect Marrone to ignore his talent but he is more of a power-oriented, zone blocking kind of devotee. Jackson, if he is healthy, deserves and will get the bean between the tackles to keep a balance and, hopefully, set up CJ for the long ball.
     
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    So Randy Moss thinks he's the greatest WR of all time....

    I'm not even sure I'd rate him in the top 10.

    Jerry Rice
    Steve Largent
    Michael Irvin
    Tim Brown
    Cris Carter
    Art Monk
    Marvin Harrison
    Torry Holt
    Isaac Bruce
    Donald Driver
    Reed
    Mark Clayton
    Fitzgerald
    Terell Owens
    and a few others would get my nod over Randy.
     
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    I've been watching 49'ers since 1957.
    Moss is Irvin, Bruce, Clayton, Larry, and Owens level for sure.
    He's well above lots of others. Brown is only a possession reciever, and FredBlitz might be better.
    On the 49'ers, Moss is no where near the level of any of those guys, because he doesn't make the effort to go for a ball that is not perfectly thrown to him...like Vernon.
    Mario, Crab, and that other tight end would sacrifice their bodies to make the EFFORT to catch the ball.
     
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    Donald Driver and Mark Clayton? hahahah you gotta be joking?

    He had a bad attitude some seasons but Randy Moss is better than everyone on that list besides Jerry Rice IMO. The only ones you can really put ahead of Randy would be Jerry and maybe Don Hutson.
     
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    Duiper and Clayton had the advantage of Marino as QB.
    Driver had Favre.
    Montana and Young had nowhere NEAR the arms of those QB's.
    Notice no team even tried out Owens on his attempted comeback. Blackball by the league!
    Most top recievers had a threat on the other side. Taylor was Rices.
     
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    Moss had the talent of an all-time great. Tall, fast, pioneered/re-invented catching the under-thrown pass. But his attitude, lack of desire and intensity, pouting when the ball wasn't thrown enough at him, lax attitude towards blocking folks, unwillingness to run up the middle... knock him down a few pegs. I'd even call him a huge underachiever. He couldn't win with a peak Culpepper, Cris Carter, a healthy Robert Smith, and that high-powered offense. Not to mention racking up stats on the Patriots, but was mostly M.I.A. in the Super Bowl.
     
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    Early. But I would put megaton on the list before some of those guys. I know he's only played 6 seasons but still. The guy is a freak.
     
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    Yea, I saw the article on PFT(profootballtalk). Rice was quick with his response to "put his numbers next to Moss's."

    GOAT WR without a doubt is Jerry Rice, he is the only player to be considered unanimously(for the most part) as the best ever at his position. He's Gretzky NFL style.

    With that being said, I don't think we have ever seen a receiver change the game and have the ability to take over a game like Randy Moss did when he first came into the league. If he was able to fully commit himself, put in the effort and go over the middle, I don't think it's a far stretch to say he'd at least be in the conversation as best ever.
     

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