2012 Shanghai Masters General Discussion thread

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2012 Shanghai champ:

  1. Federer

    29 vote(s)
    38.7%
  2. Djokovic

    17 vote(s)
    22.7%
  3. Murray

    23 vote(s)
    30.7%
  4. Ferrer

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  5. Berdych

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  6. Tsonga

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Fyrstenberg

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Matkowski

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  9. Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  10. Other

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    0.0%
  1. tennis_pro

    tennis_pro G.O.A.T.

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    Finally something big on the horizon. The only big names missing are Nadal and Del Potro. This tournament could pretty much decide who ends the year at no 1. Who's your pick?
     
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  2. kishnabe

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    Murray or Tipsarevic.
     
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  3. sdont

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    I heard Ferrer also announced he won't be in Shanghai.
     
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  4. Mainad

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    Ferrer is currently playing in Beijing. Shanghai is a Masters and therefore not optional for him. He will incur penalties if he decides to skip it.
     
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  5. batz

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    Not any more he's not - just pulled out against Lu in the 1st set
     
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  6. Mainad

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    Presumably with an injury hence not fit to play Shanghai. Well, you can't begrudge him really, the amount of tennis tournaments the guy has played this season. Something was bound to give sooner or later.

    Hope it's not serious enough to keep him out for the rest of the season!
     
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  7. *Sparkle*

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    I read that he retired "ill", but I'd read that as exhausted. He was looking rough last week.
     
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  8. The Bawss

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    I voted Murray because, let's face it, he's going to win this one. What I would really like though is Tsonga or Berdych to win it but that doesn't seem likely right now.
     
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  9. tennis_pro

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    Btw when is the draw announced?
     
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  10. Homeboy Hotel

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    2010: Murray
    2011: Murray
    2012: Murray

    Yes, Murray.

    Murray def. Federer 7-6 6-4
     
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  11. The Bawss

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    Federer will tank long before the final. Gotta keep the Murray h2h in check and stay fresh for Basel.
     
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  12. tennis_pro

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    How much rest does he need? He's been out for a month and then has another 2 weeks off after Shanghai.

    I understand the "play the big tournaments only" policy but let's not get riddiculous here.
     
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  13. Prisoner of Birth

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    Not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but why would Federer skip Masters 1000 tournaments but never miss Basel? I know it's his hometown and all but it doesn't seem like a wise choice, ranking and scheduling wise.
     
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  14. Zarfot Z

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    Federer leading the poll, despite the fact that he is probably not going to win.

    Classic TW stuff.
     
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    He wasn't supposed to win in Madrid...and he did. TT learned from their doubts at Wimbledon too.

    Federer will win every tournament he enters......though most likely he will win 60 percent of them!
     
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    Same old TW voting policy. Federer to win it all....CYGS...Olympic Gold....Beat Nadal in a slam....Murray never winning a slam....Berdych to beat Murray.... FAIL.
     
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  17. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    Yep, that's Talk Tennis. Just like AO 2012 SF, when Federer was predicted by voters to win in 4 sets, when the outcome was always going to be Nadal in 3 or 4.
     
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  18. bjk

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    He has to play at least 4 500 tournies. He'll play Dubai, Basel, Rotterdam plus Olies, so that's 4. I don't know if there's a requirement for 250s, but he's played Halle and Doha as well.
     
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  19. bjk

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    He plays Doha for the money and Halle for the warmup, so I bet those aren't required tournaments. It would be strange if the top players were required to play the 250s, because nobody expects them too.
     
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  20. tennis_pro

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    Nadal would never straight set Federer in a hard court slam, he barely scraped through the 2009 AO final and they never played at the US Open which is by far Federer's best slam and Nadal's worst.
     
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  21. Prisoner of Birth

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    What happens if he doesn't?
     
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  22. bjk

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    Commitment players (top 30 in 2011 year-end ranking) can count their best six (6) results from ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250 and other events (Challengers, Futures, Davis Cup, Olympics) toward their ranking. To count their best six (6), players must have fulfilled their commitment to 500 events - 4 total per year (at least 1 after the US Open).
     
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  23. Mainad

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    Most successful Slams:

    Federer:
    1. Wimbledon (8 finals: 7 wins, 1 loss).
    2. US Open ((6 finals: 5 wins, 1 loss).
    3. Australian Open (4 finals: 4 wins).
    4. French Open ( 5 finals: 1 win, 4 losses).

    Nadal:
    1. French Open (7 finals: 7 wins).
    2. Wimbledon (5 finals: 2 wins, 3 losses).
    Joint 3. Australian Open (2 finals: 1win, 1 loss).
    Joint 3. United States Open (2 finals: 1win, 1 loss).
     
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  24. Nathaniel_Near

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    Murray is the most dominant athlete in the world today in Shanghai. It's impossible for him to lose there, in fact, he'll win the tournament without dropping a set.


    Actually no, I'll go for Djokovic.
     
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  25. tennis_pro

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    From a technical point of view, yes. I still think that Federer was more dominant at the US Open than Wimbledon, just because he had the same results but that much more competition.

    Surely the Us Open is Federer's best chance to beat Nadal these days, though.
     
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  26. tennis_pro

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    So the draw should be coming up soon. Let's see where Murray lands this time.
     
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  27. tennisfan2010

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  28. Prisoner of Birth

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    Where's Djokovic?
     
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  29. kaku

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    At the bottom right corner, can't see his name cuz its covered
     
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  30. batz

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    Bottom right - covered by the Chinese words. He's playing one of the Bye Brothers in R1.
     
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  31. kaku

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    That upper right section is very interesting, I'm hoping for a Djokovic-Raonic SF
     
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  33. Prisoner of Birth

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    Cheers, Murray fans! :)
     
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  34. Prisoner of Birth

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    So, going by the draw, advantage Djokovic?
     
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  35. Zildite

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    His potential SF opponent is probably easier but Fed should not have much trouble reaching the SF at least.
    Murray's seems to get tougher a bit earlier.
     
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  36. Starfury

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    As bjk wrote, a committment player can count 6 sub-1000 tournaments, up to four of them 500s.
    If he doesn't play enough 500s, he doesn't get any points from that "slot" - meaning even if he won three 250s, he'd only get to count two of them
     
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  37. Prisoner of Birth

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    Thank! :) Bjk, you too
     
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  38. tennis_pro

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    The draw looks decent for Federer to the semis, no real big threats. Then there's Murray in the semis and Djokovic in the finals.

    See, that no 1 rank is worthless if he's getting the no 3 seed every single freaking time instead of the no 4.
     
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  39. Big_Dangerous

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    60 percent of the time, it works every time!

    :lol:
     
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  40. tennis_pro

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    As always. Watch Murray's section clear out after 2 days.
     
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    Well, considering Berdych is the 4th seed here, I'm not so sure Fed would prefer that. ;)
     
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  43. tennis_pro

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    Berdych is twice as likely to lose before the semis than Murray.
     
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  44. The Bawss

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    If he wins Shanghai with that draw, I will never utter a word about Raonic ever again.
     
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  45. Prisoner of Birth

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    I'd rather watch a Federer-Murray match anyway. I wanna see how Federer comes back from that Olympics beat-down.
     
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  46. Def

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    Federer lost the AO '09 final to nadal, so 5 finals, 4 wins
     
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    We'll see if Raonic has re-energized himslelf in Shanghai. He has played a lot of tennis lately.
     
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  48. westside

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    Haha wow! Massive turnout
     
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  49. Zildite

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    This has been voted by the ATP players as the Masters 1000 tournament of the year for the past three years.
    Guess they like the peace and quiet.
     
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  50. Duncan Bell

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    Looks like Dimitrov made pretty light work of Andujar in two sets to set up a meeting with Nole.

    Should be a near-enough walkover for the Bulgarian.
     
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