Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by zagor, Jan 25, 2013.
Messi in 4, oh wait wrong stat
Which dates back years and years and years.....during which time both have evolved (Djokovic from a lightweight quitter and Murray from a fragile defender). So I don't think that stat has any real relevance.
Djokovic has the edge i think (have listed some ideas here http://www.andbethere.com/2013/01/australian-open-semi-final-summary.html) as Murray wasn't great in those breakers today - He was the stronger player the whole match and shouldn't have let Fed take 2 sets. Though i think murray has more variation so if he does keep it controlled he may well win it
Nole in 4 sets for the 6th slam and 3rd AO in a row.
Novak should have the edge as he has got 1 more day BUT Murray is a Tank.
Murray in 5 sets only because he seems so strong, Novak will have to hit him off the court, Andy is slightly better this year in quite a few areas.
I hope it is a world of pain because Murray is a bit of a masochist...he likes it when it hurts because: "That means it's a good match".
Thanks for the time confirmations guys! I'm glad I won't have to work after the match.
Djokovic in 4 sets. Surprised Muirray is leading this poll.
Agreed. Good post.
I'm very excited for this match. I will be surprised if Djokovic loses in anything other than 5 sets, though.
I always root for the Andy in a slam final. 2-8 over 10 years now but still.
Murray in 4!
Novak just has more firepower. Murray's scoop forehand is better than it used to be, but it can break down on occasion. I see Novak cruising in straight sets.
N Djokovic in 3,4,5, H2H vs Murray 10-7, 11-7 after final
With Djokovic, I sometimes feel that going down a set and a break is mandatory to get him amped for a match.
Murray in 5.
If Murray keeps the unforced error count down, I see him winning this. Andy Murray just showed everyone yesterday that he is mentally able to compete and win now. He showed that he can be unfortunate and drop two sets, and still come roaring back. This is a different man than years past. His days of mental collapse are over. Murray beating Federer in a GS was a major mental hurdle for him to get over.
As one of the great few that has already beaten Djokovic in a GS, he already knows how to do it. He already knows how to do it on hardcourt. More than that, he's better now than he was then. The "X-Factor" for Djokovic is his amazing ability to sustain high levels of stamina and incredible defense. Well, those things are a wash with Murray.
I really think this is the nightmare matchup for Djokovic. He's playing someone with superior overall strokes who can match his level of stamina.
To me, the only thing that beats Murray in this matchup is Murray.
Agree that Murray is playing well and that his win over Fed is a huge mental hurdle overcome!
But to say it's a "nightmare matchup" for Novak or that the only thing that can beat Murray is Murray! Is a bit silly seeing as Djokovic leads the head to head 10-7 and has won their 2 most recent encounters.
Don't forget their match last year was very close and Murray has improved since then, so Djokovic will need to be at the top of his game.
So short-sighted these people voting in the poll. Murray won the last slam, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
Djokovic has five slams. And only lost the last one because of freak forces of nature. In the minds of many, Murray doesn't, legitimately, have any slams.
Djokovic is the real deal, people. Murray is just a flash in the pan, and is already declining.
Djokovic takes this one in 3. I suspect 2 of the sets will include bakery. Murray may put up a slightly stiffer challenge than Ferrer - but not by much by any means.
Yup and Murray by no means has superior groundstrokes to Djokovic.
Murray in 5.
Murray's first serve bombs + Murray's girlie second serve will throw Novak off.
The difference in speed between Murray's first and second serves is ~50 mph .
Superior touch, feel and volleys, a MUCH better forehand, a significantly better backhand, better ability to hit maximal topspin, better ability to flatten it out on both wings, a more biting backhand slice, a better forehand slice, much better anticipation, movement, top speed, first step speed and dynamic flexibility, a more troubling 1st serve, a better 1st serve percentage, a more unattackable 2nd serve, better sense of when to approach the net, more dangerous and unpredictable drop-shot usage, better mental toughness, is a better front-runner and is a better fighter when behind, is stronger out of the corners, is better at controlling the middle, is better at turning defense to offense, and neutralizing aggression.
Is there anything I've missed?
Djokovic has the advantage over Murray on every single facet of the game. And is fresher. It is unthinkable that he should lose tomorrow.
Overall, he does. What does Djokovic do a better job of? I think Djokovic's forehand is better. But after that... what? Backhand? They are equal. Return of serve? Equal. Slice? Favors Murray. Volleys? Favors Murray. Net? Murray. Dropshots? Favors Murray.
Defense and stamina? Djokovic and Murray are a wash. Murray has a better serve.
The thing you need to beat Djokovic are weapons on *both wings* and equivalent stamina and defense. With Nadal gone, there's only one guy who has that now -- Murray. And Murray already did it in the last grand slam... and Murray is better since then.
Unthinkable? Really? Unthinkable is that David Ferrer can beat Djokovic.
On the other hand, Murray already beat Djokovic in five sets at the US open. He's beaten him 7 of the last 13 meetings. Murray has beaten him predominantly on HC, but also on Grass.
Tell me again why it is "unthinkable"?
Net? Volleys? Drop shots??
Give me a break. None of those shots are bread and butter for Murray. Murray is not going to win a significant amount of points by hitting any of those shots. This match will come down to both guys hitting forehands and backhands left and right and nothing about Murray's raw baselining skills is superior to Djokovic's. It will be a straight forward slugfest and Murray's modest variety will not even come into play.
Also, Murray's serve is not blatantly superior to Djokovic. Sure you can say his 1st is better, but Djokovic's second serve is far superior to Murray's.
Voted Nole in 4, but might be Nole in 3. However, if Nole doesn't show up, which I doubt as he has been playing great.. Murray might have a small chance to do it in 5. It is up to Djokovic if he wants to take it or not, he is playing way better compared to end of last year, but then again he always plays good start of the year.
I just thought if Novak wins he would be the first guy since Federer 2006/7 to back up WTF with the Aussie Open two months later!
What I think?: Nole in 4
What I want?: Muzza in 5
There will be blood.
Whoever wins had better enjoy the moment because Nadal has the next few months and RG in the bag and Federer WO.
I don't know how much Murray will be fresh, Djokovic will probably try to be aggressive at the beginning of the match, first set is crucial for Andy...
Murray nearly choked and scraped past a tired Old ******** in 5 lol. Djokovic in 4, the last thing I want is him tearing his shirt off roaring like a beast so I hope this wouldn't last long.
I find it interesting that not a single person has picked Murray to win in 3. I agree, but you'd think at least a couple of people would be that confident in Murray's chances.
Not really I think if Murray had a day's more rest it might change a bit.
Reality is these guys like making the other guy work hard, the match-up has
a natural flow where one person dominates then the other.
The match goes in stages, rare that both play well at the same time.
It is very difficult to dominate unless the other guy is just not there or they play an unbelievably high level for 3 hours. That is obviously hard to do, Novak
played the perfect match against ferru.
What would be surprising if either won in 3 sets.
Murray looked more determined than I've ever seen him in the semifinal. I think he'll win in four sets. He can't afford to get tight like he did in the two tiebreaks, though.
Murray needs to close djokovic out.
When murray serves at 65%+, he is virtually impossible to defeat.
Murray can absolutely outplay novak for periods of time.
but nole just relies so much on his physique and defense and just doesnt die much like federer did today though i think nole can do it even deep in the 5th set...
No way Murray takes this. Djokovic in straight sets. Federer had a average match last night and was pretty clearly fatigued and it still took Murray 5 sets to put him away.
Lance in straights. Maybe 4 if he's feeling generous.
Will be a run and run and run contest.. the best legs and lungs will prevail.
That is weird indeed. Of course there are a lot of events outside of slams but still. I guess Murray is paying for his poor results on clay and during the fall.
Too hard to call but it should be another monster epic. Can't wait.
Not exactly Madamoiselle, Murray has not even won a Masters title. Thats really disappointing
OK but if he was holding 2 slam titles and Djoko 0 (that was the guy's hypothetical scenario), then it would definitely be strange to see Murray not even at #2, master or not. Hopefully Djoko solves that problem by winning the title
If Nole wins, Nadal is only 5 slams ahead of him. Nadal is not a lock to be the 2nd best player in this generation because there's so much more tennis to be played.
I think Djoko will take it in 4. I would prefer Murray to take it because I want him to be fully clear of his mental breakdowns at slams by the time he plays Nadal again. Having two slams under his belt he should be able to properly whoop Nadal's ass at any slam other than FO.
Murray in 6... hours!
With their defensive grinding styles we're in for a long one guys. I think Murray will gain momentum in the match once he starts being the aggressor. 5 sets.
Djokovic screws up when he has two days rest.
Murray's got the every other day routine sorted, had the experience of the 5 setter today, he'll have the crowd 65-35% on his side, knows where his game is at. I pick Murray in 5
On the one hand I have a feeling Nole will win this in 3 or 4, but then on the other, my body...my boooddddy is telling me it's going to be another 5 set marathon where we all lose the will to live(dunno who wins). I'll be working though, so meh. :I
65% percent? I doubt it. Even in the unlikely case he has that much of the crowd behind, it will hardly make a difference as Djokoivc's serbian supporters know how to create an atmosphere.
ONLY 5 slams? Do you realize how difficult it is to win slams?? + Rafa is gonna win more, no worry.
Murray in 4.
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