2013 Australian Open Final: (1) Novak Djokovic v (3) Andy Murray

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Novak Vs Murray

  1. Novak in 3

    10.4%
  2. Novak in 4

    33.9%
  3. Novak in 5

    12.0%
  4. Murray in 3

    1.6%
  5. Murray in 4

    15.3%
  6. Murray in 5

    26.8%
  1. GhostDog

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    Congrats to Novak. He was just too good. 3 straight AO titles. He owns this tournament.

    It's too bad Murray's level dropped after the 2nd set. I thought this was going to be a 5 setter for sure.
     
  2. Legend of Borg

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    Why does Murray keep grabbing his leg and wincing when he's losing?

    He's been doing that for years now.

    So glad Djokovic took him out today.....
     
  3. Relinquis

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    the wincing he does even when he's winning...

    it's a pity he couldn't keep up the level of the first two or so sets. It looked like it could have gone either way up until then although i think he was mentally the stronger of the two up until then.

    they both need to get new shoes.
     
  4. Rozroz

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    and to think that probably it will be the same final at RG, just with longer boring rallies :(
     
  5. veroniquem

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    For the 1st 2 sets, I could really see a USO scenario happening but Djoko managed to get back like he did in Shanghai and WTF. It's becoming an entrenched pattern now that Murray starts better but then cannot keep up and Djoko ends strong. Very impressed with Djoko's mental. Always have been and still am. Even at USO, I found it so impressive that he managed to push the match to 5 after losing 1st 2. Now, Novak's biggest challenge will be to find a way vs Nadal on clay and vs both Murray and Fed on grass. He has his plate full outside of hard, that's for sure.
     
  6. SLD76

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    with any luck, Murray will run into Ferrer to prevent that.

    Id actually like to see Ferrer in a FO final.
     
  7. veroniquem

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    Fed couldn't even beat Murray. He would have been slaughtered by Djoko. He should just be glad he escaped the punishment.
     
  8. Legend of Borg

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    Different matchups.

    umadbro?
     
  9. veroniquem

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    I'm pretty happy actually :) Yeah, different matchups exactly. Murray took 3 sets off Djoko in their last 2 encounters at AO, Fed 0. Different matchup indeed and Fed is not on the winning end of it...
     
  10. NamRanger

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    There are slight differences that make Djokovic the better player. Djokovic's BH is comparatively not light years ahead of his FH. His FH is the much more explosive shot, very similar to Safin how his backhand was the more solid shot, but he could crunch with the forehand when he was on. Djokovic also serves better, more consistently, has better accuracy, and overall utilizes his serve much more intelligently than Murray does. Murray does not serve better at all; he is too predictable and only has one speed on his first serve which is basically the fast ball.

    Not to mention that when Murray's serve goes off, it goes way off and he dumps into the 35% area. Djokovic's slight differences propel him to be a better player. He knows when to attack, he knows how to turn defense into offense abit better, he has abit better flexibility, etc.
     
  11. BreakPoint

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    I'll believe that when I see it with my own eyes.

    Besides, Nadal plays pretty much the same game as both Djokovic and Murray so just more of the same baseline bashing boredom. Even the WTA matches have been more exciting lately. :shock:
     
  12. Cesc Fabregas

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    Nadal's game is far less monotonous than Djokovic. From my point of view at least he just more exciting too watch.
     
  13. CCNM

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    All right Novak Djokovic!!!! Glad to hear the match went to four sets. Congrats to Andy M as well.
     
  14. ledwix

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    It's true. The mechanics, the trajectories achieved in the rallies, the positioning and how the point seems to neutrally reset after any attacking shot, are too similar and boring in Djokovic Murray match ups compared to if Federer or Nadal were there.

    They don't push. What they do is solidly counterpunch, redirecting the ball with pace, but their defense is just so much better than their transition game that we don't get as many flamboyant, flashy rallies. Tsonga Djokovic in 2008 was more exciting even.
     
  15. TheFifthSet

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    Very astute comparison, agree completely. Murray has more pace on the serve but otherwise Djokovic is a more reliable server. Pre-2011 I wouldn't have said that but now I do.

    Also I might add, Murray's second serve just seems to be an irrevocably bad stroke. It sticks out like a sore thumb -- it's as soft a second serve as any top player in recent years. Forget about people saying he's "improved it significantly" -- he hasn't. He still just rolls it in there. The double faults have gone down quite a bit though, so maybe there has been MARGINAL improvement. But that, I think, will always be a pitfall in his game. Strange considering how complete he is otherwise.
     
  16. Bobby Jr

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    Nicely said.... Murray just played too central in most rallys, allowing Djokovic the easy opening to take it wide first. Djokovic changes the direction of the rally (hitting dtl off a cc or vice versa) much better than Murray - it's still a glaring shortcoming in Murray's game when he plays like-minded players.

    Murray's downhill spiral of second serve quality in the final hour is an issue he just has to sort out if he wants to foot it with his peers - he does it all too often when things get tight and he's behind. There's little use in serving a well as he did for most of the match vs Federer if he can't also do it in his sleep when he's tired or has a sore foot.
     
  17. Bobby Jr

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    nice, convenient cherry picking of results. The last two matches they've played however has seen Federer trounce Djokovic in the likes he has rarely ever suffered and another match be extremely close.

    As Legend of Borg correctly said, match ups. Federer matches up better with Djokovic on any surface than Murray - on average.
     
  18. fps

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    I enjoy Murray-Djokovic matches more than Nadal-Djokovic matches. Not for any dislike or Nadal. Maybe it's because with Nadal-Djokovic they take so long between points that all momentum is destroyed and my attention wanders.
     
  19. Tony48

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    Djokovic? Yes. Murray? No.

    The Ferrer match serves as a great example of Djokovic playing superb offense. I can't remember the last time Murray was offensive-minded for more than a couple of points.
     
  20. BreakPoint

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    Djokovic should give half of his winner's prize money to Federer for wearing out Murray before the final and the other half to the chair umpire who told Wawrinka not to challenge that call in the 5th set because the ball was way out which cost Wawrinka the match. :shock:
     
  21. veroniquem

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    Djoko has now won 3 consecutive AO titles but I've wondered what the longest final streaks have been at slams in open era. The record is Lendl at USO who made 8 USO finals in a row between 1982 and 1989 followed by Federer's 7 consecutive at W from 2003 to 2009 followed by Borg's 6 at W: 1976 to 1981 and Federer's 6 at USO: 2004 to 2009. I wonder if Djoko could reach 6 consecutive at AO (an event where nobody has ever made more than 3, at RG, it's 4).
     
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  22. djokovic2008

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    Did you see Murray beat nadal in Japan nadal did not one a single point towards the end of the second set and Murray was hitting winners all over the place.
     
  23. Masayoshi

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    Just finished the replay of this match a few hours ago. Had some nice stretches, but quite lackluster on the whole, I agree. Djokovic v. Wawrinka should have been the final.

    Hope Stan brings out his 'A' backhand for the rest of the year!
     
  24. Djokodal Fan

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    Murray should give half the prize money for Tsonga for tiring out Federer.

    Berdych, eventhough he lost to Djoker in Quarters should give half the prize money to Wawrinka since he was able to pull off a set from Tired Djoker.

    Say what?
     
  25. tennis_badger

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    it's quite boring. so funny to see murray tried to pull the "ooh no, my leg is cramp!!" after every point on that fourt set
     
  26. namelessone

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    It's his version of the Nadal buttpick. :)
     
  27. Tony48

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    And does Tsonga get any money for wearing out Federer for Murray?

    And does Brands get any money for wearing out Tomic for Federer?

    And does Monfils get any money for wearing out Simon for Murray?

    And does Duckworth get any money for wearing out Bavcic, who allowed Tsonga to be fresh for Federer?

    No? I didn't think so.
     
  28. veroniquem

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    A bit of trivia: which player other than Murray lost 3 AO finals? Edberg. In 90, 92 and 93. Like Murray he lost them to 2 different players: 1 to Lendl and 2 to Courier. Of course Edberg had previously won 2 AO titles. Maybe Murray will win his 2 later on!
    Which other player than Djokovic won 4 titles and never lost a final at AO? Agassi.
    Which players have played the most finals at AO? Federer and Edberg: 5
    Nadal has 1 title + 1 final at AO. Which players have the same as him? Kafelnikov, Connors and Ashe.
    Only 2 players who have won the AO have had more finals than titles: Safin (1T + 2F) and Edberg (2T + 3F)
    13 players have won AO more than once in open era: Rosewall, Newcombe, Vilas, Kriek, Wilander, Lendl, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Sampras, Agassi, Federer, Djokovic.
    Only Djokovic has won it more than twice in a row.
     
  29. NadalAgassi

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    Murray had a few matches vs Nadal on hard courts where he just powered him right off the court, had over double the winners. That is the most offensive I ever saw him being. I have never seen him even attempt to play that offensively vs Federer and Djokovic, only moderately offensive at best, and when he wins it is seeminly only through superior consistency on the day.
     
  30. Murrayfan31

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    That's because Federer and Djokovic hit flatter and deeper.
     
  31. raging

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    The next step for Murray is to do exactly that...Step up on the serve(especially beef up the 2nd), move up the court, attack the corners & finish enough times with a volley to make it count. It sounds simple but it obviously isn't...
    He is strong enough physically, will have to force himself to be more mentally aggressive.
    Unfortunately for him: This is totally against his nature!
    Murray hates making errors, lives by frustrating opponents out of matches. Until recently that worked well over best of 3 sets (but not against Roger or Novak over 5). He has learned what he has to do against both of these players over 5 sets .
    Now he has to execute more consistently against Novak, Roger & Rafa (if he makes it back).
    Murray has got the right guy pushing him to move forward & hit the ball.
    Ivan was/is the terminator in that regard & he will get the max out of his player. Murray has bought in.

    Federer has been doing it longer(since 2002?), obviously knows now more than ever that he has to get in & attack more. He has to be stronger now though, the ball comes back a few more times so he will have to be more athletic at the net. Lots of ballistic lunges at the net are in order.

    Djokovic has got it going now & when he penetrates enough times..it is tough for anyone. When he doesn't boss the point he defends like a slippery eel with sharp teeth.Very tough.

    Nadal was starting to move forward in 2009, 2010 then overdid it with his clay schedule. When he came back Novak had recovered from his Davis Cup breakdown. Rafa struggles to accelerate & flatten the ball & doesn't feel it as much on the hard. Still the best mover on clay IMO. He was showing signs of rising to the challenge before his body let him down.
    The Hard Courts are killing his knees.

    Novak then got it going in 2011.
    He cooled off a bit in 2012, now it is on again.

    So the challenge is clear, who will step up & stop him??
     
  32. Grgisme

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    It was a very boring final, even I can say that, as a fan of Djokovic.

    Murray is killing the game, Nole can be aggressive and entertaining to watch.
     
  33. abmk

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    djokovic is clearly better offensive ability wise, no question.

    But murray has played aggressive on occasions - you can't remember the last time murray was offensive ? did you watch the semi vs federer !? or the wimbledon final vs federer ? or many occasions against nadal ? or the olympic semi vs djokovic himself ...

    murray won 68 of the points through winners/forced errors from djoker, djoker only 55 points that way ....
     

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