2013 Fall Tournaments

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  1. TopDawg

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    Nice wins for DiGiulio and Brymer.

    Joseph DiGiulio (UCLA) def. #9-16 Francis Alcantara (Pepperdine) 7-6 7-6
    Gage Brymer (UCLA) vs. #9-16 Romain Kalaydjian (San Diego) 3-6 6-4 6-2
     
  2. mikej

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    it's not like nolan paige is a college tennis world-beater

    http://www.nmnathletics.com//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&CONTENT_ID=781543

    as shown, last year he lost 9 of his last 10, was 2-11 vs ranked players on the season, and was under .500 overall in the dual season

    but i think he won actually

    http://www.gostanford.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=30600&ATCLID=209287733
     
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    Looks like he did win. The Regional website from Santa Clara that was reporting scores isn't even working at the moment but looks like they had several wrong too. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by their inability to put the right name in the winner's column.
     
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    pretty surprising final 4 in the Carolinas region. I would never have thought Clark would make it there. Two non major conference players are in there as well
     
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    Clark beat Silverman 2 & 4 this morning as well.
     
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    You'll eat your words on Mr. Paige.
     
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    i trust results more than a father's pride in his son, but good luck to him, hopefully the team won't be as wretched as last year
     
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    How about Joran Vliegen taking the Carolinas regional? Very impressive from the ECU pirate. I wonder of he has any relation to former pro Kristof Vliegen.
     
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    Not surprised. Seen him play. Look at his futures results from this summer.
     
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    Joran Vliegen
    Henry Craig
    Axel Alvarez
    Peter Kobelt
    Winston Lin
    Carlos Lopez Villa
    Yannick Hanfmann
    Campbell Johnson
    Diego Galaeno
     
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    Paige is a mediocre college player. Nothing more
     
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    i thought he had tons of tennis potential ,but it went all downhill at Stanford..
     
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    There are other college clay tournaments in the fall, not just this one. There's a big one in early fall in Chicago, another is the Dick Vital Classic coming up in a couple weeks. There may be others.

    Clay does help round out a players games. Typically less lower body injuries occur on clay. In addition to Big serve and a forehand, it does build a players shot tolerance, teaches defense and how to construct a point. The fall tennis season is about improving. Think about it.
     
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    Went to the Disney clay court tournament. The first thing I noticed was there are alot of 6'4" and above guys. DeVroom has a nice power game. Sofaer looks like he should be playing a 12 and under junior tournament. But he really frustrates some big hitters. Alot of good players did not look real comfortable on clay. They don't practice much on it during the school year. Also, the rumor is Wayne Montgomery is starting at Georgia in January.
     
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    It's on ESPN3 right now
     
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    Quiroz beat Redlicki 7-5, 6-0
     
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    Way too early to give up on Nolan Paige and the Cardinal. Never underestimate Stanford.
     
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    Yes. It came down to Georgia and Ole Miss. He will make them really tough to beat in the SEC.
     
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    for which player?
     
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    I think he means Wayne Montgomery.

    Anyone know if that is confirmed that he is going to Georgia?

    He is a solid enough player & always wanted to play college tennis, IMHO would have been a better fit at USC. The vibe & tradition at Georgia must have appealed.
     
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    Wayne Montgomery

    He visited Ole Miss, Georgia, Virginia and Florida back in the spring. USC was never in the picture. Came down to Ole Miss and Georgia. Early signing period is coming up, so maybe we'll see a release then.
     
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    Ole Miss really needs an impact better right now, they are solid at #1, good #2-3 but then just fall off, will be long season unless Chadwick can bring in someone this winter
     
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    Feddie, what's up with the Ahn, Tsay, and Davidson skipping the Indoors after qualifying for it?
     
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    Probably too much school to miss and "so what?" factor. Doesn't really help Stanford to play indoor matches. I say do away with indoors and play NCAA singles and doubles in fall, starting on the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Hold the coaches' convention then, too, so you'd get an audience. Playing the championship in the fall gives extra meaning to the tanking, err, non championship season. Rank the players from the tournaments.
     
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    Not good enough. This is an NCAA championship.
     
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    But it is an interesting idea as the NCAA singles and doubles seem to almost be just an afterthought to the team competition
     
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    Frank won't play in the national indoor tournament.Wants to play challengers instead. I'm not sure I like that, he is supposed to be a college athlete after all. Same thing with Rola, he needs to either be a Buckeye or not. Is he taking just online classes or something? How can he be enrolled at Ohio State and be in Morocco in late October?
     
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    The fall is about individual play and improvement. Any good coach will tell us that. If Frank and Rola were restricted from pro play in the fall, players of their caliber and others that may follow them would just go pro. We talk college before pro and that's what they are doing. This is tennis, not football.
     
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    That's fine for the many weeks in the fall with no events. But now several guys are skipping the ITA championship events. It would make it more of a event for them if all the top guys went to it.
     
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    Some schools don't play futures or challengers at all, and then some mix in a few with other tournaments throughout the fall. I personally don't have a problem with teams sending players to the big events in the fall and then sprinkling in a few pro events.
     
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    Alvarez over Lenz today 1 & 0. 3 Sooners into the Quarterfinals.
     
  35. Vicious Vik

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    wait there is a major tournament going on now? why did nobody post about it here? Does TopDawg even care about college tennis anymore?
     
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    its a yawner...
     
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    I agree it's not the most scintillating national indoors ever.
     
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    Clay Thompson takes the title. Surprising champion
     
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    I want to see B.Martin sneak him down at #5 this year after this win...
     
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    IDK I thought Billy was masterful how he used Clay in different spots in the lineup the past years.. great coaching ..
     
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    one could make the same argument for each player on that lineup. the thing about ucla is their lineup is deep and very similar in ability level. No top 10 players in last 5+ seasons (not counting this preseason). spots on that team's lineup are earned moreso than based on their perceived reputation. DN won kalamazoo and 1 round of USO main draw in August. giron and DM made it to the regionals finals in October. Puget made it to finals of sherwood in january. Clay did not play a great preseason last year and did not move up because the players who played above him held their own (or better) at their positions.

    with that said, those are just my thoughts... and most likely clay will play very high this year because ucla otherwise had "okay" preseason results.
     
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    the thing I'm talking about is how does Clay go from playing #1 in his sophomore year and drop to #5 the next without being down in the dumps injured ? and he didn't really slump ... and now it looks like he might be at the top spot again or who knows what Billy will do next..
     
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    I can tell you how. During his sophomore year (the 2011-2012 season), there were many factors that determined that particular lineup. Let's look at some of those things and at each individual starter:

    -Daniel Kosakowski went pro
    -Nick Meister, although a fifth year with a ton of experience, was just coming back from surgery and a redshirted season. Everyone knew he had the talent, fight, and character to play the #1 spot, which he did for most of the season, but playing him at #2 was the safer and smarter choice
    -Novikov enrolled in January and had not proven himself yet. He didn't have the time to get himself acclimated to the college tennis level in the fall like the other freshmen and it's hard as a coach to insert an unproven freshman at the top spot, no matter how much potential he has.
    -Giron broke his wrist at the All-American tournament. He didn't really resume training until early winter I believe. If this injury had not occurred, I think Billy would have considered playing him at #3 or even #2, considering his tremendous junior accomplishments and being the #1 blue chip recruit in the nation. In any case, putting him at the #1 spot would have been a big risk and a lot for any freshman to handle.
    -As for Puget, I think the general consensus regarding this newcomer was that he was good but no one knew exactly how good. He had previously made the semis of the Aus Open juniors and was rock solid at the #4/5 spot his freshman year, but didn't get the chance to prove himself against the top ranked players. Biggest win of his freshman year was over #46 ranked Ryan Thacher of Stanford.
    -Mkrtchian was the less touted of the two freshmen recruits and although he had a huge forehand, his backhand wing (or lack thereof) was clearly a liability that had a lot of room for improvement.

    So it's not too surprising that Clay was a good candidate for the #1 position that year. 6'6", a monstrous forehand, a never-say-die attitude, and great composure under pressure. He was no Steve Johnson, but considering the circumstances he was a good option. Last year, however, all the players that had previously played below him ended up really hitting their strides and proving they deserved their spots at the top half of the lineup. Socaltennis already pointed this out. Novikov obviously showed that he's a world class talent with his big US Open win, Giron really came into his own by taking out some top 10 players, Puget showed that he could compete with the best of them, and Mkrtchian had a great fall season. Clay playing #5 was understandable and he even said so himself in an interview that it'd be good for the team to have him serve as a foundation/anchor in the lower half of the lineup. That's what made last year's team so deep.

    To conclude, this is my prediction of what UCLA's lineup will be this year:

    1) Marcos Giron
    2) Clay Thompson
    3) Mackenzie McDonald
    4) Adrien Puget*
    5) Dennis Mkrtchian
    6) Karue Sell and Gage Brymer will take turns playing this spot, depending on the matchup

    Note* I only put Puget at 4 because he took the fall season off to have surgery on his knee and will be rusty when he returns, otherwise he'd be at 3. I predict that Billy Martin might move him up to the 3 spot by the time NCAAs rolls around. And another thing, just imagine how deep this year's team would be if Novikov didn't turn pro. Scary thought.
     
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    ^^^^ thx for that info...

    1) Marcos Giron
    2) Clay Thompson
    3) Mackenzie McDonald
    4) Adrien Puget*
    5) Dennis Mkrtchian
    6) Karue Sell and Gage Brymer will take turns playing this spot, depending on the matchup

    they look so good on paper ... it's time for the other SoCal team to take NCAA's this year ..
     
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    Where is everyone?! Where's the chatter? Where's TopDawg? Where's Clark? Where's Clemson tennis? Where's jaggy?
     
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    Down time, calm before the spring kicks in which is the only time I get all that into it, fall kind of is a bit too individual oriented for me.
     
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    The select American team of college student athletes prevailed against the world in last weekends 2013 Master'U BNP paribas.
    Congratulations to the US team for winning for the 4th time in the last 5 years!
    Competing for the US women were Robin Anderson, Lauren Herring, and Sabrina Santamaria,
    and competing for the men, UCLA's Marcos Giron, UVa's Mitchell Frank, & OSU's Peter Kobelt.
    Men's team Coach Patton shared on his blog with match stats and personal info.


    http://www.usta.com/College-Tennis/2013_masteru_bnp_paribas_coach_patton_blog/
     

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