2013 Head Speeds

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  1. klementine

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    Could the pre-sale for these graphene heads be the same time as the new wilson's, mid november?

    The IG Instincts and Speeds just went on clearence.

    Am I the only one having a hard time believing the beam widths are as thick as head states? They look nice and lean in the photos. Also, liking the longer pallets and more traditional head shape. These frames are straight up $exy.

    Here's hoping for some added flex.
     
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  2. klementine

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    Oh yeah, are the prestiges slated for a Jan. 2013 release as well? Or just the speeds, instinct and bags/shoes?

    I'm getting a little excited over here :razz: but will wait for flex ratings, the make or break spec.
     
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    Am I the only one who expected a little more than $40 off of the current Speeds? It seems like Head reduces the prices more than that normally
     
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  4. Racquet Daddy

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    2013 will bring a new HEAD technology. We will use a new material called Graphene which enabled us to create a completely new and patented way to redistribute weight from the middle of the racquet to the tip and the grip. This provides more power and maneuverability in a lighter racquet!

    Pretty vague but whatever...that's marketing and gimmicks for ya.
     
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  5. sixone90

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    As if you can tell a difference of 2mm from that picture.

    It's the same mold.

    FFS, that is not the Prestige replacement. That is the replacement for the granny sticks, the Star series, they are just naming it differently
     
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  6. Bartelby

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    That's the old polarization theme made known on this site by Trav, but if you ask me the current prestige mp alreay implements this without graphene so I doubt the latter makes a difference other than making the throat stiffer than it might otherwise be.




     
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    ^It's not the same mold. It's more traditional shaped, not egg shaped like the previous speeds. And yes, from that angle, it looks thinner than 22mm, to me, my opinion. You can tell the difference between 20mm and 22mm from a photo. It's obvious.

    What got your panties in a bunch? Bad day?
     
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  8. srl

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    I'm not sure what I did not make clear with an earlier post but I have actually held and swung the frames and also put an IG 315 and Pro next too and over it and the new model is completely different - wider frame, thinner profile to the beam, narrower head and longer mains/lower throat. The sell on the technology is that the graphene is 200 times stronger than steel and incredibly light, by putting it in the throat (an area that is normally heavier with traditional construction) they can then put more weight in the top of the hoop and handle. It certainly feels more polarised to swing and is different from the IG as well as faster through the air due to the profile, however as I was unable to hit with it I can't tell you more than that.
    The PWR range has head sizes of 115in for the Speed and Instinct version to 107in for the Prestige version.
    Whatever the perception of a picture you will soon be able to see for yourself as they are released.
     
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  9. sixone90

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    I've seen the racquet, it's the same
     
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  10. MattCrosby

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    I'll definitely be upgrading to the new Instincts, they look amazing.
     
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    So, is it a new mold or the same?

    Conflicting reports here.
     
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  12. Bartelby

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    The old ig speed pro was a 98 and the ig speed a 100, so the size of the new speed pro is 100 and that makes it a renaming of the old 18x20 version of the ig speed?




     
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    So only the Instincts and the Speeds are being updated with the Graphene in 2013, like they did with IG tech? I'm assuming that we will have to wait another year for new radicals and prestiges again.
     
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  14. ArliHawk

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    That Instinct is one good looking racquet. Can't wait to see how it plays.
     
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    I always like Head because they're "technology" is always very modern and makes sense with what they're trying to accomplish. :) I'm excited to see how a Graphene racket will play if it is as strong and awesome of a material as they say it is. :)
     
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  16. Ashanti

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    wheres the pics
     
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  17. Maroon_Tenniskid

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    They're on page 2-3

    *EDIT: oops! They're not there anymore!
     
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    Aww man...I could post them again, but they'd probably just get taken down.

    I'm a little skeptical of "technology." I mostly see it as a gimmick (the Reebok Pump comes to mind). However, going from wood to metal to graphite has seemed to work out. I just don't like new, made up materials every year.
     
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  19. Maroon_Tenniskid

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    I definitely understand where you're coming from man! I like Head's "technology" because even though it may be a bit of a gimmick, at least they do choose something that makes sense and is real and scientifically proven that it could do something.

    I don't think they use very much of any of their technology when they change things up however, therefore it doesn't ever seem like an insane difference.
     
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    For you guys who would like to see the pics Racquet Daddy posted before, you can run a little search on google for "head graphene 2013". They can also be found on an Italian forum.
     
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  21. srl

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    I am a little puzzled by the questions followng my last post so will clarfiy once more, the Speed will be a completely new frame (new mold) I have held it against and closely compared it to both the present IG 315 (different beam width, profile, head shape, mains length etc. and present IG Speed Pross (97in, 18mm, 335g etc). Only the graphics resemble the present range. Hope this clears things up.
     
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  22. Bartelby

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    I believe you but from what I've read the moulds are the most expensive thing about racquet manufacture so its a big move from Head, but they did it with the Instinct and Dunlop has done the same.

    Maybe the economics of designing frames from scratch has changed.
     
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  23. jchl97

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    What properties of the new Speed could you tell judging by this change of mold? Thanks.
     
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  24. chaddles

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    The head shape is not round anymore, it is more like the Radical in shape. It is quite obvious that it is not the same mold. Really hate how they have gone the shared holes in the 10 & 2 area.
     
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    What about the European IG Speed Pro 98 sq. in? Will be discontinued even in Europe?

    Is the IG Speed Pro 98 Sq. in, 18mm beam width, 355 g unstrung going to be completely discontinued even in Europe for 2013, and Head is not updating that one with a Graphene version? I hope not, that was a great racquet..
     
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  26. VamosPanda

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    I like the new pj of Head Youtek Graphene Instinct :D
     
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  28. klementine

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    Maybe they're using an existing mold, like the instinct or a variation of the RadS mold?

    Or they could have changed it up (the mold) completely, which would be a great investment considering all of the pros with the speed pj aren't playing with that stock speed mold.
     
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  29. srl

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    In reply to G tennis, yes the present 18mm beam IG pro with cap grommets is going and the update to the MP 18x20 is being called the pro. All I can say from holding and swinging is that they are faster through the air and the balance is different - more polarised but I have no idea what the flex is. I would guess they would keep it round 64 in line with previous models and the other this beam player sticks (prestige/radical) but we will see.
    Yes it does cost to set a mold up but Head are pretty big so that would not be a major problem and they have been clever by running the same head shape/size for several models with different stringing patterns - I would assume this keeps costs down.
     
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  30. Maroon_Tenniskid

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    Hey stringers! Can you post a review whenever you get a chance to hit with the new Speed? And it looks like they changed the MP quite a bit! it's got 6 strings through the throat instead of 4 like the current Speed MP 16x19
     
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  31. smiley_face

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    From the pictures, head shape has been changed to be more oval. Such a good new for Speed fans.
     
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  32. Federerkblade

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    look nice. exciting year for raquets. wilson steam99s, blades, head speeds, yonex xi vocres, aero pro drive
     
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  33. Stringers

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    Yup! Definitely will post what I think of the new sticks. The MP is still 16/19 and the pro 18/20 and yes longer heads compared to how round the previous models have been.

    HEAD is also releasing a new string in January, (2nd pic) but that's for me now ;)
     
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  34. AverageJoe

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    The frame really have shared holes now? :/
     
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  35. dje31

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    If you can trust the leaked photos, it looks that way, though the IG Instincts already do.
     
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  36. dje31

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    So, any idea if the new Speeds---with a more Radical / Prestige head shape---are true 100s? Or is it more like how the 98s are closer to a 95, due to measurement method (inside vs. outside) ?
     
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  37. vetinari

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    So I had a chance to play a couple sets with the new speed mp and instinct mp yesterday. I'll post more impressions later when I get off work, but overall I'm really impressed with the new speed. Compared to the IG 18x20, which is my primary racquet it has a bigger sweetspot, a little more power and much better torsional stability. I really liked hitting with it yesterday. Had a great feel.

    It does have a different head shape -- more current gen instinct or radical. Does have the shared holes like the current gen instinct, but does not have the S-grommets like the instinct (new or old) or extreme 2.0. The beam profile is different too -- has a cool beveled profile. Head size is slightly bigger than the radical mp. The handle is slightly longer than the IG speed.
     
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  38. klementine

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    ^Thanks. What about the stiffness, how did it feel?

    Beam width? In the pic, it looks every bit of 22mm. :(
     
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    Felt stiffer than the radical mp, but more flexible than the instinct. Stiffer than the IG speed but more comfortable even with a hybrid (sonic pro mains with FXP I think). I usually play with x1 biphase or gut mains poly crosses. I was surprised that I liked the crisper feel because I thought I liked flexible frames better.
     
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  40. vetinari

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    I'll measure the beam width later.
     
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  41. klementine

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    Good lookin' out.
     
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  42. Maroon_Tenniskid

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    Really good to hear! The only thing I don't like about the IG Speed is torsional stability can be terrible sometimes, and that it's a little low powered at times too! Sounds like they're on the right track!
     
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  43. vetinari

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    Beam width is 22mm on the speed mp.
     
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    I made a thread of new 2013 head rackets sadly the pictures were removed :( They have a new technology called graphene the new 2013 speed looks very similar to the IG Speed it has the same colours but just a tiny bit of new designs added
     
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  45. Stringers

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    Right at a 100 but feels like a 95-98. Frame has a very good scalpel feel to it.
     
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  46. vetinari

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    Little more from my time with the speed mp and instinct mp.

    They both have identical head shapes, lengths, balance points, static and swing weights. Swing weights calculated with swing tool app came to 310-315. They both feel more polarized. Static weights were 314g and 316g. Balance was 325mm.

    Incidentally they were painted with a cool flat black and minimal branding/markings. Super cool. I wish they would release that paint job because I like it way more than the leaked pictures, especially the instinct pj.

    I've already posted a couple big take-aways from hitting with the speed. The other thing I noticed is even though it is stiffer than the IG speed, there are a lot less vibrations. I usually play with a vibration dampener. In fact I'm enough of a head case that I can't play without one, but about an hour into hitting with the speed I noticed that it didn't have a vibration dampener on it, but sounded and felt like it did. Maybe that's why it felt so comfortable even though it is a little stiffer feeling.

    The stiffer feel and increased pop made my serves better. It also is more maneuverable, so I felt more confident with volleys and returns.

    It's a really different racquet than the IG speed in a lot of ways, but was a surprisingly easy adjustment for someone who plays with the IG speed. Felt immediately comfortable and addressed the weaknesses I see in the IG speed. Really liked this racquet and was sad to give it back. Biggest changes I think are the stability and vibration improvements.

    I hit less with the instinct because I liked the speed more. Hit probably about an hour with the instinct. Very different feel. I haven't hit with the current gen instinct so I can't compare it to that, but it feels similar to the extreme 2.0. Similar but not as good -- the extreme has such great plow through and stability that the lighter instinct didn't have. But it felt kind of like an extreme light if that makes any sense.

    Really liked the instinct mp on flatter shots like first serves, but I had less control and spin with this racquet than the speed. Probably because I was hitting a little long with it and so altered my swing. I wanted to like this one more than the speed because it has the s grommets and is a little punchier. But I think it would require some changes to my strokes.
     
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  47. dje31

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    Thanks for the inside skinny, vetinari and Stringers. Was ready to pull the trigger on the IG Prestige S, but may now hold off for the Speed MP. Esp. after the comment that they were sort of like tweaked Prestiges. Might see if the local pro shop has had their rep come through with demos.
     
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  48. vetinari

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    ^^ the speed mp hit more like a stiffer radical I think. I'm not very familiar with the prestige line so I can't compare.
     
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  49. blackpearl2007

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    How is the grip shape on the new Speed? Is it like the radical or did they keep it the same as the previous version?
     
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  50. vetinari

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    Similar to the IG speed. More round than the extreme.
     

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