Discussion in 'Racquets' started by TopspinAce, Sep 29, 2012.
so is it .................cap-able ?!
Really frustrated with Head and the recent thickening of the beam widths.
The Radicals were always 21mm and when the original Speeds came out, they were 20mm.
Now everything is getting the extra millimeter. Next thing you know, the Prestige will get thickened.
Might not be much but it really does effect the feel and swing of the frame, for the worse.
I agree about beam width, Klem. I'd prefer if they could keep them closer to 20, but the 22 on the Prestige S that I'm still considering wasn't bad during the demo sessions. I could live with it, or the new Speed MP.
I think once y'all see/play with the racquets the beam width won't be an issue. Yes it's a smidge bigger but a different shape than the previous models in the past.
I really think y'all are going to like the beam honestly.
Protoype for the new speed...
That looks like a very nice racket!
That's a really nice looking prototype, hopefully it ends up being used on the real Speed.
I just wish Head would release a Radical MP retail version with a 16x19 string pattern.
That's a very nice prototype
Hi Vetinari, many many thanks for all the info!!!! so the mp speed is about 5 pts HL right? do you feel the new speed mp stiffer than the APDGT or Vcore 98? I m looking for a 16x19 but i dont like the specs for the rad pro
When do they come out? Same specs?
coming out January, not sure about the specs
I'm not very familiar with the babolat or yonex racquets that you mentioned. I've been fearful of babolat since I have a glass elbow. However I did hit with the apdgt 2013 briefly and I don't think the speed is as stiff as the babolat. It's stiffer feeling than the current speed though. It's less than the extreme pro 2.0 which I've been hitting lately, so somewhere between 62 and 69, maybe 65? Just a guess though.
I'd die for a 16x19 Radical or Prestige.
Well there is the Radical Pro and Prestige Pro
I'm still a bit confused with what this new all black racket that has the name speed on it, when we saw pictures of the new speed line already...
You wouldn't have much use for a 16x19 Radical or Prestige when dead would you?
It's a prototype.
Yeah, but wouldn't they do that earlier?
I'm not sure why they are sending out the racquets painted like they are -- it's not just the speeds, but the instincts too. The ones I hit with looked the same. I think they look better than the leaked pictures of the final paint jobs, so I asked if I could get the black ones and was told emphatically no.
hi Vetinari, do you think that the final version of the mp speed will be 5HL-314grms-310sw?
I would assume so. But those numbers are not official -- I measured them when I had the racquet to demo.
Does anyone know if the new Prestige's are coming out in 2013?
They are coming out next year end of 2013
I wonder why Head keep their Speed 2013 secret when official images and infomation of Wilson, Babolat, Dunlop... lines are already everywhere? Because the new Speed isn't ready to be launched yet or it's simply a dirty trick of marketing to provoke curiosity?
Agree 110%..."Beam-creep" is an evil, insidious thing. Does anyone think it might just be the paint? i.e that newer PJs might be adding extra millimetres to the width?
My own theory is a bit more prosaic than that. I reckon the industry is just too damn lazy to narrow down their frame widths. They all copy each other.
I don't think the racket designers/engineers, nor the execs who sign off on the plans, ever stop to think, "hmmm, do we really need to go to 23mm this year? Does it make the racket play or move any better?" They couldn't care less. They just see 23mm coz someone else is doing 22mm.
They see semi-widebodies one year and decide yep, they'll go semi-wide next year...and then another brand does the same the next...everyone too afraid to make the 1st move to shock-horror, introduce a 19mm box beam...
And even if they do slim down to 19-20mm, they still feature thin front-sections instead of a thicker, boxier front edge. The only current-day offerings are the Pro Staff BLXs. Those boxy 95 and 100 are the only current molds that can offer the boxy feel I was raised on.
Probably a marketing scheme
So, leaked spy shots earlier showed a variation on the current Speed PJ...now they're showing them blacked-out, like skunk werks / prototypes. I'd personally prefer the latter, if anyone is asking.
Anyone seen the 2013 Head dealer book yet to confirm either way?
Here's the viral marketing campaign to try them out early:
Also, the blacked-out teaser on the link above is 16x19, with eight shared holes.
Just got a catalogue from a local tennis shop which lists the weight, head size and beam width. The head size are the same for the pro and mp (100 sq.in) but the beam is now 22m thick for both. The pro will have an 18/20 string pattern at 315g and mp using an 16/19 at a weight of 300g. The specs for the speed s look like they replace the speed elite but also with a 22m beam down from 24m. The two new editions are the rev: weight 260g, 100 Sq.in 22m, and the pwr: weight 255g, 115 sq.in and 26/26/28 beam. Hope this helps.
Sorry for the double post but I was thinking of speed you tek elite at 24m instead of the ig which is 22m.
Thanks for the info, but I'm wondering - doesn't this look like it's essentially a new racket line? They could probably have chosen a new name (other than Speed) as well...
Oh, and stuff like this also makes me think: Does anyone here know how the Speed line (Youtek and IG) sells/has been selling, especially in comparison to the Prestige, Radical, Instinct and Extreme lines?
Maybe the old Speeds weren't attractive enough?
So an 18/20 at 315 grams called the pro.
But the 16/19 mp is now at 300 only and normal length, not 315 and extended as at present?
Wonder then why with the Prestige and Radical, 16/19 is the (heavier) Pro and 18/20 is the (lighter) MP - and with the Speed, it's the other way around.
I'm pretty sure that's a consequence of history.
Tight string patterns were the norm so when open string patterns came into vogue they made the heavier version the pro model with an open pattern.
The pro in the speed line was also heavy with an open string pattern, but as they've deleted it they've given that title to the 18/20. This is logical.
As a consequence, pro just means the heavier version.
So they're essentially dropping the current Pro and making the MP 315 18/20 the new Pro but the MP 315 16/19 the new MP. - Though we don't know yet about the length of these two rackets. But if this is the case, assigning the Pro and MP labels seems somewhat arbitrary to me.
And I guess this also means the current MP 300 is out then as well, right?
Looks like they are trying to make the naming of the different racquet versions within each racquet line more consistent: each with a pro, MP, and S version. I think they are also adding a PWR version.
What are the specs of the PWR?
What is this new racket that Novak broke the fence with ? It looks very powerful
I would assume the speed. That or special effects ...
The PWR line I think are granny bats.
LOL, yes the PWR are all very light, even the prestige one.
all speeds will be 27' and 100sq.
speed pro is 18 x 20 and 315g
speed mp is 16 x 19 and 300g
and the balance is 31 for one of them and 31 1/3 for the other.
i forgot which is which, didnt have time to take pics on my phone,
too busy recovering from a very bruising match.
There is also an S version, a REV version (even lighter, something like 230g-250g) and a PWR version. I don't know the other specs. Talked to the rep tonight who said he didn't know what the stiffness was for any of the racquets. The big thing they are marketing is the polarized weight distribution which makes the racquets swing bigger than you would think based on the static weight.
For me probably the biggest difference is the increased stability and the decreased vibration compared to the current gen. The first racquet I like playing with without a vibration dampener.
Anyone know what these will be priced at?
think the same price?
are the leaked photos anywhere out there to view? Removed again
Sorry it was just my computer showed the pic as a broken link. Is this the new pj or the prototype pj?
No this is not the Paint job.. just the prototype PJ and they will all be like that untill the final product comes out.
you cannot see the pic?
11 oz 2 pts HL. 16/19
That's too bad, because the proto PJ is bad arse.
bad ass? yeah..very cool. when they come out, probably be worth your while, to see if you can get your hands on one. a mix of matte and gloss with some dark gray matte.
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