2013 NCAA Men's Division 1

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  1. TopDawg

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    Sofaer must be on fire - he's got MP now
     
  2. mikej

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    match pt waves - this would help duke quite a bit i think
     
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    grrr of course not - 7-7
     
  4. TopDawg

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    Now MP for Thompson
     
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    I hope there is a west coast TopDawg there getting this on video.
     
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    Damn, Thompson wins it
     
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    Pretty encouraging result for Pepperdine playing without Tearney.
     
  8. mikej

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    frankly this match tells me more about ucla than pepperdine without one of their big 2 players

    i started this match thinking five teams had a chance above 0.00% of winning NCAAs

    now i have four (UVA, Ohio St, USC, and keeping the fourth to myself to limit arguments :) )
     
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    no, just the heaviness of the ball. and how they both just muscle the ball instead of natural fluid motion
     
  10. Clemson_tennis

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    I still think UCLA has a shot. You seem to have something against Pepperdine as you give them credit for almost nothing. This match was in Malibu and UCLA is probably focused on USC coming up, not that that is an excuse but still top teams have off days too. Although Thompson should bot be involved in these battles with players like Sofaer. He should be blowing people away at 5.
     
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    Also, are you out of your mind not including KENTUCKY!!
     
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    pepperdine is a nice top 10-15 team, that's all, they could lose to a team like baylor or half of the sec on any given day

    they didn't have the depth at all to compete with duke earlier in the year, even with duke's quick turnaround after a hard fought loss to uva

    and they've lost badly to OSU twice

    and they only beat stanford 4-3

    the waves could also pull a nice upset with dubs and their top 2 if they get the right rd of 16 / quarters matchup - but they're not really elite in my view even at full strength, and certainly not elite with one of their big 2 missing

    ucla barely being able to scrape by a depleted pepperdine team = no chance of stealing a title from uva

    that's not saying the can't make it very far in NCAAs, just can't win. period. in my judgment...
     
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    i barely want to include more than just uva

    but yes i think other teams that could win if the stars align:
    -OSU with strong dubs and if rola and kobelt are bombing it for a few days in a row
    -USC because i can't leave out a peter smith coached 4x-defending champs team
    -Duke because i'm biased and they have some of the highest ranked dubs teams in the country (even if the dubs pt has failed them a few important times this season to this pt), Cunha as a senior undefeated in dual play, and in the argument for the best 5 and 6 in the country

    no one else has a chance. zilch. i won't be convinced otherwise.

    i might be convinced by the end of the season that i was too generous including the above three teams as having a nonzero chance of holding the trophy.
     
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    I want to see Virginia face UCLA in the NCAAs as that is a matchup we have not seen recently.

    I'll include UCLA for these reasons to your list:

    -3 strong doubles teams with no drop off to the 2 and 3 teams.
    -Don't forget the ceiling that Novikov has, if he catches fire everyone in the NCAA should watch out.
    -Giron and Puget are solid 2 and 3.
    - Sell at 6

    I still think Mkrtchian should be at 5 where he would be more of a force and throw Thompson in at 4 in hopes he has a big day.
     
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    i could go for that draw - anything but duke vs uva in quarters again

    but ucla can't hang with uva in dubs

    and some of the matchups like 2,3 singles would be over in approximately 19 minutes in the case of 2 and however many minutes frank wants to induce torture in the case of 3
     
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    On paper yes, but remember last year when everyone thought that Domijan would pound Sarmiento but Ray-Ray put up a stunning performance. Also Frank is most effective vs one trick ponies but Puget has a good amount of variety, he can slice, go to net, stuff like that.

    UVA would likely win but I want to see this matchup as opposed to a rematch with Ohio State or something.

    I aslo don't want Duke in the 8-9 slot, they need to be 6 or 7 so they can face USC or UCLA or UGA. That would be fun to watch.
     
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    Southern Cal needs to win the title again to save college tennis from despair.
     
  18. mikej

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    some good points re: ucla vs uva

    maybe a more reasonable man might still have teams like UGA and UCLA in the mix as potential champs.

    but recent experience tells me even when i include less title contenders than most around here, i still end up including too many.

    no one except usc and uva needed to be on the list the last handful of years. tennis doesn't have a lot of good but not quite the best teams emerge as champs.
     
  19. Clemson_tennis

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    The champ will be the team that beat a very solid team in the quarters and two elite teams in the semis and the final. Which in the end probably the only team capable of that is Virginia, while teams like UCLA,USC(this year),Ohio State and UGA can probably at best pass 2 of those 3 tests. But we will see. It will be a great tournament!
     
  20. floridatennis82

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    One thing you guys don't realize is that UCLA is a team that can take out anyone as so many of the players have very high highs. Thompson even though went 3 sets today can play and beat most 2s and 3s. UCLA is a deep team. If they play UVA in NCAA, they have a very good shot, because #2 doubles will beat UVA #2, and then the other teams of 1 and 3 are both very good teams and it can go either way. Novikov playing #1 for UCLA looks like he is getting better and better as the season progresses so he can take out either Domijan or Jenkins whoever he plays although it seems like he plays better against people with bigger games, looking at his US open results and last year NCAA when he took out Kobelt 4,0 and Lutjen from Ole miss. UCLA #2 is scrappy as hell and will grind anyone down. #3 Puget has so much variety that he adapts well to any opponent and I think will give Frank trouble since he does close the net well. #4 Dennis M may not look like the player that trys that hardest out there but he finds a way to win for his team. and 5 Clay Thompson is a very solid 5, as so is Karue Sell. I think Karue may be the best #6 in the nation along with Johnson but it looks like hes playing #5 now? Overall I Think the only 3 teams that can win are UCLA, UVA, AND USC. I feel like USC AND UCLA both have a deeper team then UVA but UVA's top 3 are overall better then USC and UCLA.
     
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    I don't think Giron and scrappy belong in the same sentence but other than that good post.
     
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    I will toss in OSU as a contender to go deep in the NCAA's.
    Two 4-3 losses against UVA and at Texas A&M are the only blemishes on a 27-2 record. I believe Buckeyes are the only team to take 3 points vs. Uva this spring.
    Beginning with doubles, Buckeyes have the horses to take this point against anyone. They have only lost 2 doubles points this year.
    The single's lineup is potentially capable of victories at every spot,
    It begins at the top with the anchor, #9 ranked Blaz Rola who was undefeated until this week.
    At #2 Kobelt ITA ranked #6, has the firepower to take out any other #2 in NCAA's. Fast surfaces like Champaign Urbana help his pace.
    Persons who claim the lineup drops off after the top 2, have not been following OSU very carefully because this lineup is deep, including #3 & #4 Seniors Devin McCarthy (#84 ITA) and Connor Smith (#63).
    Last year's #4 Ilie VanEngelen has been recently rotating in at #5 bumping Chris Diaz (ITA ranked #61) to the 6 singles spot.
    Unfortunately the remaining schedule will not be kind to the Bucks,
    even if they win out they will still likely drop to #6 or #7 in the computers.
    I predict that Bucks will again prevail in a NCAA quarter rematch with UGA
    and the semi with USC or UCLA in Champaign Urbana will be tightly contested but with a loser heading WEST wondering what hit them.
     
  23. mikej

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    of course i agree with most of your post considering OSU is on my short list above as well

    but that's an incorrect belief - Duke took 3 pts playing at UVA in late March - only OSU and Duke have taken 3 pts off UVA this year

    http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/032213aaa.html
     
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    After being so close so many times and all those ITA Indoor titles, I'm rooting for UVA to finally get the brass ring. But No guarantees. It's a very interesting top 3 or 4 situation this year.
     
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    Thank you for that info Mike! I stand corrected.
     
  26. mikej

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    I recommend the ITA finalizes rankings with this latest release and seeds based on it

    Duke vs Tenn then UGA then UCLA for a relative cakewalk to the finals while UVA USC and OSU battle to see which of the actual top three teams in the country make the final from the other side - yes please!

    I'm using cakewalk pretty liberally / ridiculously of course - but that would be the most unbalanced NCAA draw I can remember
     
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    Ps miss st is the 9 seed in their conf tournament and now up to #9 in the country

    Good weekly comedy
     
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    The good thing for duke is they should drop again next week since cal and Illinois both retreated along with some of their good wins (Oklahoma, pepperdine)

    ITA better not seed them 8/9 after they successfully retreated out of their usual danger zone in the rankings - I would encourage Ramsey and the guys to lose once more for good measure down the stretch
     
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    I'm really hoping Clemson gets placed in the Lexington region.
     
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    I would not risk it, they may drop Duke below 16 with another loss.
     
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    Yeah they'd have half as many losses as UK if they lost again so they'd probably be 8-10 spots lower in the rankings
     
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    Where's that daily schedule? I look forward to that everyday. :) Is there another place I can find that?
     
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    There is very little activity during the week at the end of the season. If you're bored you can follow Stanford/Pacific today at 4:30pm est/1:30 pst - LiveStats/Video.

    There is a good one tomorrow night - Baylor at Texas - 7pm est/6pm cst - Livestats and Vik will have a recap for us as well.
     
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    SEC Tournament starts tomorrow, although it doesn't really get rolling until Thursday.
     
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    LOL whats Junior Ore doing in the rankings?
     
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    Conference USA Men:
    http://www.conferenceusa.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/041513aab.html
    2013 C-USA MEN'S TENNIS CHAMPIONSHIP SCHEDULE
    DUNAVANT-WELLFORD TENNIS CENTER / MEMPHIS, TENN.

    FIRST ROUND - Thursday, April 18
    Match 1: (9) East Carolina vs. (8) UCF - 2 p.m.

    QUARTERFINALS - Friday, April 19
    Match 2: winner of Match 1 vs. (1) Tulsa - 10 a.m.
    Match 3: (5) Old Dominion vs. (4) SMU - 10 a.m.
    Match 4: (7) UAB vs. (2) Memphis - 2 p.m.
    Match 5: (6) Rice vs. (3) Tulane - 2 p.m.
     
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    I've heard this one too many times before. After a single set, Frank makes the one, two, three, or four trick ponies hate the game of tennis...and then those tricks go down the tubes.
     
  38. floridatennis82

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    Is it just me or are these new rankings just absolutely absurd? Like how is UGA #2 when they have 4 losses? while UCLA and USC are #3 and #4? Also how is Kentucky still at 11? They have I think 9 losses? I really don't understand this system of ranking. UCLA also beat UGA at Indoors.... Can someone please explain this to me?
     
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    because the SEC gets way to much respect, so UGA and other SEC are constantly playing Top 25 schools week in and week out, where USC/UCLA have some unranked teams. Now we can all debate the strength of the SEC, but the rankings flaw does not penalize the losses, but rates the wins higher due to the skewed rankings.
     
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    The rankings went off the rails a long long time ago this season - only going to get worse after SEC tournie

    The final hope for sanity is the seedings - UGA is currently ranked above two different teams with both better records and head to head victories over UGA - I don't see a single reasonable argument for UGA being seeded above 5 even if they win SEC tournie, as long as OSU wins out and UCLA-USC make it to finals of PAC12

    Except for "oh the SEC is the best conference and they're the best team in it"

    Anyone who thinks it follows from that statement that they must be a top 4 team would fail the hell out of the LSAT
     
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    UGA tops out around 4 or 5 and no higher, can not figure out why head to head does not look at this.
     
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    Reasonable for rankings not to take special account of h2h

    Totally unreasonable if the seeding committee ignores h2h and the teams that made the semis of the other major national tournie this year when conferences actually had to mix it up with eachother
     
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    I cant belive we are ranked so high. I really thought this would be an off season for my bulldogs. Do you think the reason for the high ranking is because those losses were early in the year? Im a Bulldog fan 100% but i really dont see us getting past the quarter finals. But you never know Manny gets them boys fired up and anything can happen come tournament time.
     
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    The more weight for big wins than bad losses is good for non-conference as it encourages tough scheduling. But there needs to be a tweak in the formula for conference matches. Should a team that is 9th in their conference be 9th in the nation?
     
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    When the Cardinal beats Cal this weekend, that should be enough for automatic qualification for the NCAA championships.
     
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    Baylor takes the doubles point over Texas
     
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    You only get an automatic bid if you win the conference tournament.

    You're looking for an at-large bid.
     
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    Georgia will only be #2 for this one week. UCLA and USC have not played anybody in recent weeks and the computer has increased the "best wins" number up to 9 during this period. The Cal match helps UCLA, but the Bears' March match with USC got canceled for weather. Neither team is getting the typical rankings boost from playing Stanford, who has seemingly lost relevance.

    The Big 10 conference season doesn't help Ohio St.'s computer profile much at all. In the meantime, Georgia has at least been playing decent teams.

    UCLA should move past Georgia because of the Pepperdine win and if UCLA beats USC, the Bruins will actually take over the top spot from UVa for at least a week. In that case, UCLA will have more top 10 wins.

    The NCAA will seed the top two teams as UVA and the Pac 12 champ. The order could depend on what happens with Duke/UVA in the ACCs. Typically, when two teams are ranked side by side, say if this occurs with Georgia/OSU, the NCAA will give the team that won the H2H the higher seed.

    Hard to see Georgia higher than a 4/5 which is basically the same spot.

    With USC and UCLA playing 4 times in the regular season/conference tourney, one would think the committee would put them in opposite sections.

    Also, the Illinois match is what keeps Duke from a higher ranking. The Devils can seemingly play with anyone. Maybe it's just me, but Cunha has put together the quietest win streak for a player of his caliber. He's undefeated in the spring season. UVA may have the top 2 ranked singles players at the moment, but Cunha is going to deservedly win POY in the ACC.
     
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    Gotta agree with Nostradamus.
     
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    CUSA Tournament Central:

    Livestats Link

    FIRST ROUND - Thursday, April 18
    Match 1: (9) East Carolina vs. (8 ) UCF - 2 p.m. central

    QUARTERFINALS - Friday, April 19
    Match 2: winner of Match 1 vs. (1) Tulsa - 10 a.m.
    Match 3: (5) Old Dominion vs. (4) SMU - 10 a.m.
    Match 4: (7) UAB vs. (2) Memphis - 2 p.m.
    Match 5: (6) Rice vs. (3) Tulane - 2 p.m.

    Would be very surprising to see anything other than a Tulsa/Memphis final.
     

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