2013 NCAA Men's Division 1

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  1. Nostradamus

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    Why does PAC-12 have the team tournament if they have already decided the division winner?. What does the winning team get other than automatic bid into the NCAA ?
     
  2. jaggy

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    He played very will in dubs and singles, everyone else sucked. With him and MacTaggart done, the next year or two will be rebuilding and lower end of the conference mediocrity I fear
     
  3. andfor

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    Today yes. Yesterday was a little testy. Looked tough to me but you handled it like a pro. Probably was nothing big compared to other stuff you've seen.

    Tigers could end up in either Nashville, Knoxville, Starkville or Oxford. My preference would be Nashville then Oxford. But we'll have to wait and see.
     
  4. JLyon

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    It was all good, enjoyed all the matches. Tulsa and Memphis should both be tough 2 seeds. Tulsa seems more disciplined straight forward where as Memphis thrives on the crowd and getting pumped up.
     
  5. mikej

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    to get stanford into NCAAs this year :)

    but seriously, you should be happy it exists, otherwise stanford would have already played their last team match, almost certainly
     
  6. andfor

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    It was good. Nothing totally crazy seems to have happend. Japie de Klerk is a character.

    Agree. I think Tulsa pulls that disciplined stature with their seniors and having been there so many times before. Won 6 of the last 7 C-USA titles. Although Memphis and Tulsa have the same 15-7 record, over this year Tulsa has had a little more consistant results. Memphis is still up an coming, improving and with no seniors. They're finding their way as they go and have had a few rough spots (duds) during the year. As to be expected here and there. Overall great year so far by Memphis standards which continue to rise.

    They will be a tough 2 seed. I promise that Billy does not want to see them again.
     
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  7. tennishmang

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    next rankings predictions?

    1. ucla
    2. uva
    3. uga
    4. osu
    5. usc
     
  8. floridatennisdude

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    I see what you did there
     
  9. Nostradamus

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    does this mean Stanford is #2 since they played UCLA so close last time they played ?
     
  10. andfor

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    If losses counted then sure they would. Good luck with that. Lol
     
  11. Clemson_tennis

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    Stanford should make a push to get in the SEC, they would be around #12 right now with the good losses they have.
     
  12. tennishmang

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    stanford probably a close #2. all their losses this year have been unlucky i'd say cant remember a year this strange. 40 or 50 net cords in each match here or there and stanford could be #1 in the nation ;)
     
  13. andfor

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    Yea, just like Arkansas. Tissue?

    Take a look at Clemson and Wake Forest's records and tell me why they should be ranked ahead of Memphis. I'll get you started. Memphis has 3 wins over teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time they played this year. One win was over VCU who has a win over Wake. South Carolina BTW also has losses to VCU and Michigan State, both defeated by Memphis. Of course this could all be sorted out in poll tomorrow. But I doubt it and Clemson and Wake will remain over ranked.
     
  14. mikej

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    clemson is 2-2 vs the SEC this yr (one of their losses to UGA, by far the best team in the conference obviously)

    they pretty much trounced auburn who is ahead of them in the rankings

    we can pick results to support one point or the other all day, but clemson would likely be ranked higher if they were in the SEC if you ask me
     
  15. mikej

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    "at the time they played" has no relevance to rankings btw

    and is difficult to compare between teams, takes quite a bit more work to go back to different weeks than just look at the most recent set of rankings, so let's not use stats that are totally worthless in our comparisons

    don't know how good memphis is btw, haven't really followed them, and haven't seen them play

    but SEC is the conference getting inflated this year - don't point fingers at ACC teams - Tenn was the second best team in SEC and, if you ask me based on the H2H vs Duke, they're not very good

    SEC has one really good team in UGA, a team in A&M that picked it up late and is dangerous, a team in Tenn that had good results but Duke would waste again if they played in NCAAs, and some wildly overranked teams like Ole Miss and UK that can't beat anyone on the planet ever, thus their million losses each
     
  16. Clemson_tennis

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    Memphis has wins over 23,29,40 and a loss to 37 and 7 losses overall.

    Clemson has wins over 21,30,36 and a loss to 38 and 6 losses overall.

    Pretty close but Clemson should have the slight edge. Memphis'a win over Tulsa the 23 hasn't been factored yet so they will move up.
     
  17. mikej

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    a much better objective comparison based on actual current rankings of opponents - nicely done - does look like in blind profile comparison clemson was slightly better going into last set of rankings

    QED
     
  18. andfor

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    Matches are not weighted on how thoughouly you trounce or how close you lost, I know you know that. I sighted clear and multiple examples that obviously will never be enough for an ACC fan. That's OK. I'll take what you're saying as that if Memphis was ranked ahead of Clemson and Wake you would not have a problem with that.

    Regardless, all 3 teams mentioned will likely be 2 seeds and the NCAA's regardless of tomorrows polls.
     
  19. Clemson_tennis

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    Btw andfir my Stanford comment was just a quip about losses in the SEC. And if you think about it Arkansas is still ranked kinda high for a team that went 0-12 in conference.
     
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    I was actually thinking that Clemson being a 2 and Memphis a 3 in Knoxville was a good possibility. But yeah now Memphis will be a 2.
     
  21. mikej

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    haha, agreed!
     
  22. mikej

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    right, and some of them sucked because you commented on past rankings of opponents that have 0.00% relevance to rankings

    as i've mentioned before, i don't care where memphis is ranked relative to clemson and wake, all three suck and are off my radar screen, not teams that matter in national landscape

    but i do stick up for the ACC when need be
     
  23. andfor

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    I know it was. Just having some fun. Outside the top 5 many of the rankings (SEC) are easy to goof on. By this time I would have thought the system would be more reflective of where teams really rank. But the SEC factor is a bad one this year. Arkansas having the #56 ranking at this point is awful. They need to be playing Stanford in the NIT. Ha ha.
     
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    I also sighted actual match results among common opponents. Duke's not going to win anything this year. So what's your national landscape?
     
  25. mikej

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    probably no one except UVA will

    but Duke is one of a couple teams UVA should fear

    they got close with a 3-4 loss even playing away and losing the dubs pt

    we'll see how it goes at ACC tournie and NCAAs, but i can tell you UVA isn't sweating Memphis
     
  26. andfor

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    So your national landscape is UVA and Duke? Does that mean you are a fan of both? If Duke is your team and UVA the measuring stick. I get that. That's a narrow view Mike.

    We will see how it goes. Good luck.
     
  27. Vicious Vik

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    Didn't Memphis lose to Rice?
     
  28. andfor

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    Memphis def. Rice 4-0. Wasn't close.
     
  29. andfor

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    Seriously, Clemson and Memphis would do well to be in seperate SEC hosted sights, if that's where they end up, with the exception being Athens.
     
  30. mikej

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    no, slightly broader than that :)

    i essentially care about the teams that will likely be there in the final 16 in NCAAs, or the teams that make Indoors if we're talking earlier in the year, or bigtime conference matchups and rivalries during the interim (USC-UCLA, Duke-UVA or Duke-UNC when UNC is actually good unlike this year, OSU-Illinois, UGA-Ole Miss/UF/etc, OU-Baylor, that sort of thing)

    i would never follow livestats of Wake vs Clemson or whatever conference Memphis is in - but glad some people care about them - every team needs fans to make it fun

    haha, no...as much as i respect UVA as a program that does things the right way and pushes Duke to get better, tune in for my annual celebration on the boards if UVA somehow continues to fail to win the title this year...not a lot of love between Charlottesville and Durham whether it's basketball or tennis or soccer or lacrosse

    there you go - UVA and USC should be the measuring sticks for everyone - they've snatched up just about every Indoor and NCAA title in recent memory

    thanks - good luck to your guys too as long as they don't end up in Durham for the first two rounds - in which case they'll need it but they won't get it from me :)

    [ps i edited two of your comments together on my first quote - sorry - made more logical sense to me that way in my piece-wise responding]
     
  31. andfor

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    Ahhhh, frontrunner. Yeah, who would ever root for a team unless they won everything or had a chance to win?

    I figured.

    True.

    I would love to see them play but it will have to be in later rounds. I can only hope and with the remote chance you give such a lowly team from such a puny conference hope is all I got.

    That's fine. I type fast sometimes and don't really pay close attention to what comes out.

    I do enjoy your commentary. You're right about Vik's comment on the Texas thread. That was the funniest thing I've come across all day.
     
  32. epaige

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    There's only one sports program in the ACC and that's UNC. If God's not a Tar Heel why's the sky Carolina Blue?
     
  33. mikej

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    hey did your son win the other day vs cal?

    just giving a little back to you, all in fun - good luck to him thursday, i imagine they'll get by the huskies again, probably easier with him in the lineup, and earn their bid
     
  34. Kirijax

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    Baby blue is one of the lamest colors ever for a sports team. I personally think that it used to be blue but it faded with the wash. Like Penn State used to be black and pink.
     
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    The southern part of heaven: Mia Hamm, Michael Jordan, Kirstin Lilly, Vinsanity/Air Canada, Lawrence Taylor.
     
  36. jaggy

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    You guys are getting a good one in Ronnie Schneider. Solid citizen with a lot of potential, unfortunately tennis wise he isnt that tall.
     
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  37. Vicious Vik

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    what do you mean by "solid citizen"
     
  38. andfor

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    He's a good kid. He's going to be a top college player. I've seen him play and he plays bigger than his size.
     
  39. Vicious Vik

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    what's his size.
     
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    Just a kid with a good head on his shoulders, id guess about 5'10.
     
  41. bluetrain4

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    Not to quip, but the sky when it's clear actually doesn't match Carolina Blue.
     
  42. Vicious Vik

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    This frustrates me to no end. 5'10 is considered small in tennis now. This isn't basketball!! All these 6'6 goofballs playing the sport make me mad. John McEnroe once called Phillip Kohlschrieber a small guy at 6'0.

    Ridiculous.
     
  43. andfor

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    He may be an inch or two under that. But he can seriously play. With his game his size won't be much of a factor.
     
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    Ive watched him here since he was a much younger junior and he keeps getting it done, to be honest UNC was a surprise as he could have gone anywhere. Must be the sky color:twisted:
     
  45. floridatennisdude

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    Vik must be 5'10", in shoes
     
  46. Clemson_tennis

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    And the college tennis world awaits as the ITA site fails.
     
  47. Kirijax

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    College tennis fans are used to waiting though. We've been thoroughly trained by staring at unchanging scoreboards for hours on end.
     
  48. mikej

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    i predicted this! (i'm going to see if i can hunt back and find the post)

    the computer tried to stuff more SEC teams at the top of the rankings than is mathematically possible and exploded

    RIP
     
  49. mikej

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    it happened folks

    ole miss was the upset that pushed it over critical mass

    just wait for the article on CNN - serious casualties in the ITA offices i'm hearing - spontaneous server explosion
     
  50. Clemson_tennis

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    Don't blame the rankings though, the majority of them are peaceful.
     

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