2013 NCAA Men's Division 1

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  1. mikej

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    i dunno, have you read their ranking doctrine?, they hardly blink an eye at losses in their midst, just keep going like it never happened
     
  2. Kirijax

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    LOL. I'm visioning the whole thing now...
     
  3. Golden_state_of_mind

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    where are the rankings?
     
  4. Gracelhink

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    Wow!!!
    UCLA Jumped both Virginia (+4 points) and Georgia (+7 points).
    Maybe a #4 or #5 seed for Buckeyes will not be so aweful.
     
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    wow the ITA computers are now as bad as the BCS computers. UCLA jumps UVA, who is undefeated!! What _ _ _ _'N Joke.
    As for the SEC rankings!! Good grief.
     
  6. Kirijax

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    I've given up trying make sense of it. Interesting to see an undefeated team go down but hey, this is college tennis.
     
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    All is forgiven for Kentucky. Back up to 8.
     
  8. mikej

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    if the draw were seeded per these rankings, UVA would be celebrating with champagne on making the finals right now automatically

    but they won't be that lucky

    other half would have 1 UCLA v 8/9 Duke, 4 USC v 5 OSU

    and they'd get to join an easy SEC lovefest with Mississippi in quarters who can't even make quarters of their conf tournament, then winner of two other SEC teams in semis...they might be able to rest their top 3 til the semis
     
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    they should be above duke again, though, as i always point out :)

    team A - 11 losses, none of them to undefeated teams

    team B - 4 losses, two of them to undefeated teams

    both team A and team B have their worst loss to the same team, Illinois

    clearly team A is better
     
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    Noticed that Bama barely squeaked through with a winning record. What's the deal now, you need to be at least .500 in duals including conference tournament results? When did they initiate that rule?
     
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    Wow, great bracket for Stanford. they have a clear path to the final. only UCLA in the way in the semis. Cardinal played them close last time so this time they should have learned how to beat them.
     
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    You are a fan in the truest of definitions
     
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    New rule this year. It was a really smart one. That's why you may have noticed a number of ranked teams add mid and late season matches to their schedules against unranked teams to pad their wins. I heard the rule was put in place to keep out teams with a losing record (SEC teams). But as with many rules, if there's a loophole, it will be found.
     
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    I would expect the inmates to change that rule for next year, in regards to scheduling matches in the last 3rd of the season. Hilarious to see so many major conference schools rushing out to play SWAC schools in double-headers and in one case triple header trying to pad their records even though it does not help their rankings.
     
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    start of something good

    No. 41 Stanford 4, No. 33 Washington 2

    DOUBLES
    1) Bots/McMorrow (WASH) d. No. 53 Denis Lin/Morrissey (STAN) 8-5
    2) Romanowicz/Stineman (STAN) d. Hawke/Manthou (WASH) 8-3
    3) Jamin Ball/Ho (STAN) d. Hudson Barnhart/Egger (WASH) 8-6
    Order of Finish: 1, 2, 3

    SINGLES
    1) No. 46 John Morrissey (STAN) vs. No. 14 Kyle McMorrow (WASH)
    abandoned 2) Marton Bots (WASH) d. No. 117 Nolan Paige (STAN) 3-6, 6-1, 6-2
    3) Maciek Romanowicz (STAN) d. Max Manthou (WASH) 7-5, 7-5
    4) Emmett Egger (WASH) d. Robert Stineman (STAN) 7-5, 6-4
    5) Daniel Ho (STAN) d. Viktor Farkas (WASH) 6-3, 6-2
    6) Trey Strobel (STAN) d. Nicholas Kamisar (WASH) 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
    Order of Finish: 5, 2, 4, 6, 3
     
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    unranked Brown beat #21 Harvard 4-2. Biggest upset of the year based on ranking.
     
  18. Kirijax

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    texascollegetennisblog put out men's/women's rankings out ahead of the official rankings on Tuesday. Not sure how accurate though.

    Men's Rankings

    Women's Rankings
     
  19. Clemson_tennis

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    Georgia jumps Virginia.
     
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    Absurd. But ultimately meaningless.
     
  21. bluetrain4

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    I completely agree that UVA should have been seeded No. 1 and are the best team. But, the ITA computers actually aren't that crazy, IMO. We all know the formula. UCLA is No. 1 because their resume of wins/losses is, based on that formula, better than UVA's. It's really not a judgment of UCLA being better than UVA, it's just the inevitable result of adding up the numbers.

    What's a joke is that the selection committee doesn't use the rankings as a guide and generally follow them, but then make common-sense adjustments as necessary. But, then you'd have people harping about the committee's subjective bias.

    Regardless, it all sort of worked out brilliantly for UVA with UCLA, USC, OSU on the opposite half.
     
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    exactly!!!

    also when uva was ranked #1 they had the curse, but now at #2 they have less pressure IMO :twisted:
     
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    Emilio Gomez will turn pro after this season.
     
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    what he's not coming back to USC ? where is this confirmed ?
     
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    He was interviewed in Spanish on ESPN Deportes. Discussion and link at the UVa message board.
     
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    wow.. one more hole to fill for the 4 time defending champs .. and this probably means his cousin is not too far behind ..yikes..

    looks like USC needed those 2 easter bowl champs more than UCLA ..
     
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    Can Cardinal women's team take it all this year ? Looks like a best team in history on paper.
     
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    Matt Kandath back in the lineup. Cardinal ready to make the run at the NCAA title. This can be done.
     
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    Final team rankings are out. Memphis made a nice jump to get into the top 20. The final singles and doubles rankings don't come out until next Wednesday June 5th.

    Rank Avg School Previous
    1 95.40 University of Virginia 3
    2 92.09 UCLA 1
    3 78.87 University of Georgia 2
    4 76.29 Ohio State University 5
    5 71.72 University of Southern California 4
    6 63.56 University of Tennessee 6
    7 59.79 Duke University 9
    8 58.28 Pepperdine 12
    9 56.86 University of Kentucky 8
    10 56.47 University of Mississippi 7
    11 54.72 Mississippi State University 10
    12 54.72 Baylor University 13
    13 54.54 University of Oklahoma 14
    14 54.51 Texas A&M University 11
    15 47.92 Vanderbilt University 16
    16 43.72 University of Florida 15
    17 43.57 California 18
    18 40.02 University of South Carolina 17
    19 37.55 Wake Forest University 19
    20 36.48 University of Memphis 32
    21 35.32 Clemson University 23
    22 34.95 Louisiana State University 20
    23 34.22 University of Texas 21
    24 33.93 University of Illinois 26
    25 33.31 University of Tulsa 25
     
  31. andfor

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    Based on these final rankings, for what its worth, Memphis is most improved, hands down.

    Someone position WF for this earlier.
     
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    Interesting to go back and look at the initial freshmen/newcomer rankings that came out at the start of the year to see how they performed.

    Rank Player School

    1. Michael Redlicki - Duke - 19-7 record primarily at #3. Very solid year.
    2. Bruno Semenzato - Duke - 3-3 record at the bottom 3 spots. Definitely did not live up to #2 ranking.
    3. Leonard Stakhovsky - Oklahoma - 10-10 record at 5 and 6. Didn't live up to #3 billing.
    4. Shane Vinsant - Texas A&M - 20-8 record primarily at 4. 14-9 at #2 dubs. Very nice year.
    5. Dragos Dima - Cornell - 5-3 record in the fall but didn't play in spring.
    6. Ben Wagland - Georgia - 18-4 record at 1, 2, 3 & 4. Started the year at 4 and finished at 1. Made Quarters in dubs at NCAAs. Very nice year.
    7. Axel Alvarez - Oklahoma - 20-6 at 3 and 4. Very solid year.
    8. Pedro Dumont - Miss St - 15-5 record with most action at 6. Very solid contribution.
    9. Julian Lenz - Baylor - 16-5 record at 1, 2, and 3. Lived up to the hype.
    10. Boris Arias - LSU - 9-6 record at 5 & 6. No really great wins.
     
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    Based on these final rankings, for what its worth, Memphis is most improved, hands down.

    Someone position WF for this earlier.


    ....I take it math was not one of your better subjects. Memphis moved from 35 in 2012 to 20 in 2013, Wake Forest moved from 69 in 2012 to 19 in 2013....seems pretty clear to me who the most improved was
     
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    Who has better outlook in the pro tour ? Blaz Rola or that other guy from OSU ?
     
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    Very nice breakdown Top Dawg!
    Was wondering about the other top Freshmen, Boegerts, Efferding, Hitzlik, Giron, Styslinger, etc. and how they were projected/ranked by ITA?

    Re. the OSU Rola and Kobelt pro-tential, Right now Kobelt because of length and power generated on serve has the best game for grass and indoor venue, but Rola is uber talented.
    I have watched Blaz the last 3 years and many comparisons have been floated, Andy Murray, Berdych, even Stephen Edberg.
    Tucker has been wonderful for both of these student athletes tennis development, especially Rola's power and fitness and Kobelt's ground game.
     
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    I had the best domestic recruits who did not turn pro pegged at the start of the season as Redlicki, Hiltzik, and Styslinger, in uncertain order. That seems like a good selection in hindsight. I would put Vinsant right behind them. The ITA list seems slanted towards overseas recruits, many of whom did not perform as well as these four domestic recruits, yet Hiltzik and Styslinger did not make the list.

    It often turns out to be an apples vs. oranges comparison to look at junior ITF rankings and compare to top American blue chips at TRN. Numbers 2, 3, 5, and 10 on the list certainly were not better than Hiltzik and Styslinger.

    NOTE: My original classification of the elite American recruits included two who turned pro, Bjorn Fratangelo and Mitchell Krueger.
     
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    Well another season is over which makes me sad yet look forward to next year (could be a tough one for IU unless some recruit appears that takes us by surprise)
     
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    I made my assessment without consulting the previous years rankings knowing I was at risk. Thanks for the kind words. Making the vault from the Cusa vs the ACC I stand by my assertion. Memphis tennis vs Wake Forest tennis, are you kidding?
     
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    Efferding and Giron were sophomores.
     
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    Hard not to go with Styslinger as the best American freshman after the year he had. Difficult to compare hiltzik and redlicki because Hiltzik played higher, which definitely helped his ranking, but for a worse team. Redlicki looks to be the better doubles player. I'd say these three Americans plus Wagland and Lenz are the best 5 freshmen of the year with Llamas just missing the cut.
     
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    Is TopDawg, John Isner ?
     
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    That's not cool. He wanted that to remain a secret.
     
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    As a UVa fan, I am pleased with Styslinger, but Hiltzik was the only player to beat Blaz Rola this spring, I believe. Redlicki ran into the freshman wall and ran out of gas at the end of the season, but he did a pretty good job at #3 all year on a good roster, playing ahead of Mengel and Hemmeler and Tahir. I've got to respect all three of those guys this year. Their second years will be interesting.
     
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    Conference - Number of teams in the top 75 (total teams in conference)
    AAC - 3 (7)
    ACC - 10 (12)
    ATL 10 - 2 (11)
    ATLANTIC SUN - 2 (9)
    BIG 10 - 10 (12)
    BIG 12 - 5 (6)
    COLONIAL ATH - 1 (7)
    CON USA - 3 (12)
    IVY - 5 (eight)
    MISSOURI VALLEY - 2 (5)
    MTN WEST - 3 (eight)
    PAC 12 - 7 (eight)
    SEC - 13 (13)
    SOUTHERN - 2 (eight)
    SOUTHLAND - 1 (7)
    SUMMIT LEAGUE - 1 (6)
    SUN BELT - 1 (7)
    WEST COAST - 3 (10)
     
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    Having met topdawg I d say I didn't quite see the resemblance!
     
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    ACC only has 11 teams. Maryland's program folded after last year. Will go back to 12 next year when Notre Dame comes on board.
     
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    I went ahead and added ND to the ACC since the season is over. Like I added the new AAC.
     
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    I would've picked John Isner as Dawgie Dawg; hasn't been barking since the semis.
     
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    The two teams seem about even. Not sure what your point is.
     
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    This is how we all felt at the beginning of the year about Duke. It turned out that Semenzato did not boot anyone out of the lineup. Had he been good enough to do so, he could have played at least whenever anyone else was not 100% (which occurs for every team several times a season, and Duke had players like Mengel missing from the lineup at times as late as the NCAA tournament).

    A lot of college players make their biggest improvement from freshman season to sophomore season. It will be interesting to see how Semenzato does next year. As a UVa fan, I am just glad that any stellar college career he might have did not coincide with Cunha still being at Duke.

    EDIT: Ditto for watching the improvement from first year to second year of Redlicki.
     

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