2013 NCAA Men's Division 1

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  1. 10isplayer

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    I feel like duke was way too rigid with their lineup this spring. Looking at many other top 10 teams they mixed around their lineup much more. Have you seen their players play and can you comment on my statement?
     
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    Apparently Mengel was playing with a lot of shoulder pain this year. But wanted to wait until the end of the year for surgery.
     
  3. Nostradamus

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    Is UCLA bruins the prominent favorite to win it all in 2014 ?
     
  4. rodrigoamaral

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    what about your beloved Cards winning it all next year?
     
  5. 10isplayer

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    Oops, I think I forgot about Bogaerts. Obviously, he belongs in the top 5 and I think he knocks Lenz out of my personal top 5. casino
     
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  6. tennis7777777

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    Who cares about CUSA vs ACC, everyone knows ACC is way better conference....based on rankings:

    WFU, 69 to 19 = 50 spots
    Clemson, 64 to 21 = 43 spots
    TCU, unranked to 38 = atleast 37 spots

    Memphis, 35 to 20 = 15 spots

    Stop being such a homer, Memphis had a nice year, they certainly improved, but they were not nearly the most improved team, not even close, sorry
     
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    It depends on who is on the roster when the season starts.
     
  8. Nostradamus

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    It looks like Giron and Novikov both returning next year. Sell and that big wilderness man is also returning.
     
  9. tennishmang

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    UCLA will return everyone plus bogaerts. thats gonna be a scary team.
     
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    Looking forward to my boy Gage tearing it up at UCLA
     
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    Gage is an incredible player, but I just don't see how he can make the starting singles lineup if everyone returns plus the addition of Mackenzie McDonald.
     
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    My point is Memphis made the climb playing in a conference not near as strong as the ACC.

    Not directed at you, but when teams from another strong conference got high rankings they were overrated, but that seems to only apply to that one conference.

    If one wants to base the most improved based on rankings alone then give the award to someone else. The rankings were bashed by many here over the last year, but now they now apply. Memphis won their conference, who won the ACC?
     
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    Speculating on who will be the champion next year is fun and all, but until you see the rosters in September, it's going to be impossible to say. A player can say they plan on returning to school today, go out and win a few futures next month and decide it's time to make the leap. Heck, even if they're on the roster in September it's no guarantee they'll be there when the dual match season begins. People were wondering if Rola would go pro after the fall he had playing pro events.

    To the point, if you read the interview with Mitchell Frank on tennisrecruiting.com, he said that he would play pro events over the summer and "probably" be back in school in the fall.
     
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    Based on that logic, Wake must have been ranked too high at #69 the year before as well as too high at #19 this year, right? In any case, using the same ranking system and playing in the same conference, they moved up 50 spots.

    The complaints about the SEC were based on the high initial placement in the rankings due to poll voters, which influenced the rest of the season's computer rankings. Did poll voters rank the ACC teams all that highly? It seems that ACC teams lived up to their seedings in general in the NCAA tournament, while SEC teams did not.
     
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    What sources do you have for these statements?
     
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    Thanks for sharing. Where were all the Florida fans? Looked like Denver fans outnumbered them at the end.
     
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    Both Novikov and Giron showed no interest in turning pro this year. so what else are they going to do ? Unless Novikov wins a Challenger and goes deep into the US open draw, but that ain't happening with current Dunkin donut loving shape he is in.
     
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    In other words, you have no source for your statement that they are both returning.
     
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    If everyone is back, or even just one person leaves, they'll be scary good. I mean, they were good enough to win this year. But, even so, I think they'll be a couple of other teams who could win as well. Virginia has the replacement talent, but it's simply a matter of how the new guy in the lineup can perform in his inaugural season.
     
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    Is there any actual evidence that Bogaerts is transferring?
     
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    Also, more importantly, does he have good enough grades to transfer ?
     
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    Heard from my fsu buddy he was there on a visit over the weekend. His other visits were ucla, wake forest and Virginia
     
  24. 10isplayer

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    If he goes to virginia then I'd love to see their scholarship money distribution for next year
     
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    That sucks for Miss State
     
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    Once an athlete has a year or two of schooling under their belt and have made the grades at their respective institution, grades are much less important than you would think when it comes to transferring. It's often easier to transfer and get into a school as a sophomore or junior than it is to be accepted as a Freshman. If he's eligible, which I'm sure he is, the last thing he concerned with is being accepted. There may be an exception but it does not appear he's looking at any schools that are among the academic super elites.

    Trust me Feddie, Standford would take him in a second and he'd be accepted immediately.

    More importantly, I'd like to know why he's leaving MSU and why coach Nilsson would release him? Was this a deal he had with the coach when he came to MSU?
     
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    Colette Lewis all but said he was in her notes from Urbana today.

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  28. 10isplayer

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    Looks like we will see a UVA-UCLA regular season match next year according to UCLA men's tennis twitter
     
  29. TopDawg

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    Not too surprised to see UCLA play in Athens against Georgia since we're hosting the NCAA's next year. Ohio State should be coming in as well.
     
  30. Wahoo

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    I thought Bogaerts to UCLA was likely. Do the others (UVa, Wake, FSU) have a shot?
     
  31. tennishmang

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    they only have a shot if ucla can't find the scholarship $.

    ucla and uva would have the same problem not having enough scholarship money to give to him (probably even more so for uva), but it is certain that he prefers UCLA over any other school in the mix. If UCLA can figure things out, Bogaerts will be a Bruin. We should know whether ucla has snagged him or not by the end of this month.
     
  32. ClarkC

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    One problem at UCLA is they are waiting to hear who is turning pro (e.g. Novikov), and a sensible decision to turn pro or not should only be made after a player has enough Futures success this summer to indicate that he will soon have an easy time getting into Challenger draws. Unless Novikov or any other UCLA player is an idiot, he won't have an answer by the end of June. A coach could give a deadline in order to cut his losses, but I don't know that Billy Martin is going to do that.
     
  33. koshka87

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    What's with all the Novikov haterade?
     
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    Haven't seen any in a while. What are you talking about?
     
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    Disagree about ucla, I hear he wants to go somewhere he can play#1.....also ucla has a great team but many have said the coaching/training isn't very good
     
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    He was already playing 1 at Mississippi State so it'd be really interesting to hear why he'd want to leave an SEC school where he's getting pushed at #1 just about every match against another top 25 player. Can't think it'd be a scholarship $$$ issue at State since they have a small roster to begin with and he'd have to be getting more funds at State than he'd get just about anywhere else. Must be a combo of coaching and location or maybe there's no one else on the team that can give him enough of a test in practice to where he feels like he's going to improve.
     
  37. ClarkC

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    That would be an interesting set of requirements: I need teammates who are better than the MSU teammates in practice, but I have to be #1 AND have lots of scholarship money available.

    Visiting Wake Forest and Florida State is interesting in that light. Is he going to be pushed harder by teammates at those schools than at MSU?
     
  38. bluetrain4

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    A lot of coaches will release players simply in good faith. They may not want to, but if that player doesn't want to play at your school, what good is it going to do you to (a) keep him around, and (b) ruin his tennis prospects for a year. A common, though not universal, caveat is that the player will be released with the agreement that he won't play for a conference rival.
     
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    While perusing thru the recent posts it seemed that any negative critique focused solely on UCLA's top-ranked Novikov - I believe one member called him "complete trash," in addition to the hamburger and dunkin donuts comment. I'm simply curious as to why he attracts so much negative attention, especially considering the conspicuous absence of such disparaging remarks about other Similarly ranked players such as Jenkins or Rola
     
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    3 Players leaving Miss State out of 6. Sounds like chemistry was just bad and a lot of team issues. He probably wants to go to a closer team
     
  41. Clemson_tennis

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    Who else is leaving? I have heard Dumont.
     
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    wow. touche good sir.
     
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    James Chaudry was a senior too so it'll be a major rebuilding project if all those guys go.
     
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    Rather than tennis competition, team chemistry issues, etc., I think sometimes players transfer for simple everyday reasons, reasons why normal students would transfer. I could believe it if a player really didn't love living in small-town Mississippi. I'm not saying that's the case here, just that it's a legit reason why lots of people leave where they are. Or maybe the person wants a step up in terms of academic quality, which applies (at least on paper) for a transfer from MSU to UCLA. Or, even if there is no qualititative difference in academic quality, sometimes students transfer because one school offers a program that they may want and the first school does not.
     
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    Not to mention there could be things like the campus itself like student amenities. Or even personal relationships with individuals.
     
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    It's all a guessing game why the MSU players are transferring until we hear from a reliable source, if one ever really presents itself. From what limited interaction I've had from someone close to the program the MSU coach has a good reputation. But who knows. I think Starkville and the MSU campus is awesome. That said I realize it's rurally based, not really near a metro, and would not appeal to many. Never been to UCLA but it doesn't take a dummy to figure out the appeal to the campus, L.A. and the tennis program.
     
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    So let me get this straight, Blaz Rola beats Jarmere Jenkins in the NCAA Championship but Jenkins finishes the year ranked #1 and Rola #2. Jenkins/Styslinger win the NCAAs in doubles and they finished ranked #2 while Cunha/Hemmeler finished ranked #1. Yep, that makes sense to me.

    Final singles rankings
    Final doubles rankings
     
  49. Wahoo

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    I agree Top Dawg, Jenkins should've been #1 in both. Their system is a mystery to me.
     
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    LOL Gotta love college tennis logic.
     

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