20140825 practice match

Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by tonygao, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. tonygao

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    hi guys,

    recently I have played a few local matches and I feel I am now more experienced than before, mainly on the mental side. this makes me more confident even when I am against unfamiliar and better players. this is the best thing one can gain from attending tournaments I guess.

    anyway, yesterday I played a few games with my best practicing partner, David. he is above 4.0+ and can easily beat me. pls have a look and give your comments, thanks.

    I am the one close to the camera.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WIvsVA40jU&feature=youtu.be
     
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  2. comeback

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    It looks like you are closer to 4.5 and could beat your partner. How long have you been playing?
     
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  3. tonygao

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    I have been playing tennis seriously for about 5 years.

    my partner has excellent control over ball placement and I was always in dead run mode......
     
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  4. colowhisper

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    Better looking strokes than I was expecting too, based on your question. Pretty good footwork too. Next video get a wider angle.
     
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  5. movdqa

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    I'd give you a bump over 4.0 as well, at least in the strokes department. Your preparation is often good and often not. Perhaps you could focus on always having your feet in the proper position. You have a really nice slice backhand when your preparation is good. You have nice form on your topspin backhand as well. But you don't always have good form and preparation.

    I also like your willingness to come to the net and you have a pretty good overhead - I think that your overhead is somewhat better than 4.0 but then a lot of 4.0s will only come to the net reluctantly.
     
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  6. tonygao

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    thanks, movdqa, preparation is always an issue for me. I think it's something I need to keep in mind while practicing so that I can grow such habit, right? Or it will just come naturally after lots and lots of hitting?
     
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  7. movdqa

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    I think that you have to think consciously about it until it becomes automatic. So you think about it in practice so that you eventually get to the point where you don't have to think about it.

    One thing that may help is to watch the feet of Nadal and Federer instead of the racquet and the ball. I think that Graf and Henin are good to watch as well. You also need good fitness to have good footwork as good footwork takes endurance. If you're tired, it's really easy to stop moving your feet.
     
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  8. tonygao

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    thanks, very good advice and I will implement it from my next practice session.
     
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  9. LeeD

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    Are you guys really serious? 4.0? I think you are out of your minds!
    No 4.0 hit's up the middle with a high loopy ball, except maybe that guy who played the 6.5 girl, and he lost in the end.
    No 4.0 runs side to side over and over again, and does it again and again without adjustment's to his stroke location.
    Tony hasn't learned to volley, hasn't learned overall tennis strategy, DOES have low 4.0 strokes, but strokes are only half the equation.
    Tennis knowledge, practical strategy and tactics, is the other half.
    Good 3.5 maybe, average 3.5 probably.
     
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  10. tonygao

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    what about my opponent? do you think he is 4.0+?
     
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    LeeD, Talk Tennis' voice of reason.
     
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    Until you post a video of yourself playing points, you really need to stop rating videos. The OP can certainly compete at the 4.0 level. This video is not 3.5.
     
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    Tonygao

    I have to side with LeeD, you appear to be a mid 3.5, strokes look decent, movement is not at the 4.0 level, volleys low 3.5 at best. Not sure about your serve but unless it is huge you are 3.5. I practice with several 4.0 players usually near the top and they have much more developed games. Keep working on your movement and you will get there. Hard to judge your friend but no higher than 4.0 maybe also a 3.5. Remember levels are all about results against competition not visual strokes.
     
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  15. Topspin Shot

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    LeeD, Old school Paul, you haven't seen yourselves play on video, have you?
     
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  16. Jim Lefty

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    If levels are all about results, not visual strokes, why did you rate him 3.5? You totally just smeared all of the talking points of your analysis of his game.
     
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  17. LeeD

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    Topspin Shot, WE have not seen YOU play on video!
    Already I"ve hit with 5 guys on the forums. That's probably MORE than most of you, but for sure, there are a FEW of you who have hit with more posters.
    ALL say I"m a weak singles 4.0 who has strong shots, and my weakness is caused by lack of movement and the inability to consistently load my left foot, me lefty, on any shots.
    How would YOU hit if you can't load your right foot?
    Jim Lefty, get off your high horse. Already plenty of guys agree with me, Tony is awkward, get's out of position, is not ready to hit one more shot. He's 3.5 at best. If you insist he's 4.0, then YOU are just a 4.5 at best. Tony is light year's behind you.
    Now, Matt is 4.5. You are not nearly his level.
     
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  18. Jim Lefty

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    I have offered to send LeeD a camera free of charge. I will then upload his video to the boards, since he claims he doesn't have internet(even though he post here all time)

    He has yet to take me up on the offer.
     
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  19. Jim Lefty

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    I have some point play that I'll try and post today, but I already know what you're going to do...

    I'm going to cherry pick the points I win, and you'll say I'm not a 4.0 because my OPPONENT failed to push me. In other words, in LeeD's world, your NTRP is based on who you're playing.
     
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  20. LeeD

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    Thanks for the offer, why should I go out of my way to please YOU?
    What? You don't believe President, Shroud, PapaMango, or RobFL?
    We saw YOUR video, low 4.5, high 4.0.
    I claim low 4.0 in singles, have since 2009.
    Matt, who is much better than YOU, and I have a planned hit scheduled in a week.
     
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  21. Jim Lefty

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    Is Matt on record here rating your NTRP? Why do you bring Matt into every conversation?
     
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  22. LeeD

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    Braindead Jim Lefty....
    Matt and I have a SCHEDULED hit for Monday the 15th.
    Why are you so obsessed with my game? We KNOW your game, and you live in LA near Matt.
    I said I'm a bad 4.0 in singles. I've also beaten 8 of the 12 members of the Albert's Park 4.0 team that made it to the State finals like in the mid 2000's. Most of those guys were in their late 20's thru early 40's, while I was easily 55 and playing tennis once a week at most.
    RobFL is a nationally ranked 4.5 (probably pretty low, but your level), and already posted I can play pretty well for a crippled old fart, certainly near his level in doubles.
    And I already posted that I have played a set of doubles against MalcomAllen and his buddy, another 5.5, and the set ended with US winning, not them. For sure, they weren't fully into it, but for 2 5.5's to lose a set of doubles to a cripple and his 4.5 partner, you'd think the underdog team could hit some 4.0 shots, at least.
     
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  23. Maximagq

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    Hey tony, I will try to check your video ASAP but I've been busy, sorry mate! For the record, Matt doesn't give NTRP ratings in general for anyone but himself. When Matt records his tennis session with LeeD, I am sure we can all make a judgment.
     
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  24. Maximagq

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    Because Matt is the "Novak Djokovic of a Talk Tennis" Ha Ha
     
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  25. LeeD

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    Matt and Jim Lefty.
    4.5's.
    Live and die in LA.
    Seem very defensive when someone belittles what they think their level really is.....
     
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  26. Maximagq

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    I didn't say anything about my NTRP in this thread. Ha Ha
     
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  27. jdubbs

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    LeeD,
    I like your enthusiasm, and you have a lot of experience and give good advice.
    Can I ask that you not hijack every thread? Just don't respond to the trolls, as hard as that may be. They don't matter. We know you can play, if somebody doesn't, that's THEIR problem.

    I kind of just want to enjoy these threads and maybe offer and get some advice but so many of them resort into shouting matches between you and your detractors.
    Can you just ignore these guys?
     
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    Sorry, I'm retired with too much time on my hands.
    Besides, playing tennis 3 days a week for only 3 sets of doubles totally uses up my physical prowess, if there was any to begin with, so I have tons of time and nothing to do except wear out the keyboard.
    I AM co concurrently reading some WilliamCDietz and HaroldCoyle books, and helping the contractor finish off the house.
     
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    So calling out LeeD's narcissism is trolling? :)

    It's funny how "troll" is the go-to term for post one doesn't agree with. That doesn't just go for the talk tennis boards, either.
     
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  31. Topspin Shot

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    I hope you're being sarcastic. This mess started when Lee said the OP is a 3.5.
     
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  32. FitzRoy

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    This is a very valid and important question.

    I think LeeD's response to it misses the point. Lee, I'm fully willing to believe you're a 4.0 as you say, and I'm sure Topspin would believe that too. Why not? It's not a grandiose claim. It's also not particularly relevant in regards to him asking if you've seen yourself on video.

    The point isn't to suggest that you're not a 4.0, it's to suggest that until you see yourself on video, you will tend to rate people on video lower because you don't realize how bad video makes players look. You don't have the frame of reference that comes from seeing how bad you yourself look on video. And yes, even if you're indeed a 4.0, you're not going to look anywhere close to what you probably think you look like.
     
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  33. jdubbs

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    As far as improvement:

    1. Footwork. Split step, anticipation, movement all could be better.
    2. Dump that sliced backhand immediately. You need a lot more power from that wing. Puff balls to the opponent from your backhand led to point after point for him.
    3. Learn to hit with more power. You're hitting with decent depth, but you have to put him on the defensive more. You hit a nice FH down the line on one point...do that more and follow it in with a shot to the other side of the court.

    I see the OP somewhere between a high level 3.5 and 4.0.
     
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  34. tonygao

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  35. tonygao

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    not a problem, take your time.

    but when you do it, pls also give some comments on my friend, who is eager to know your option as well.
     
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  36. tonygao

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    as someone who loves to film and rate people via video, I can't agree more. no matter how well or bad one plays, it's impossible to give objective ratings on Amateur's video clips if one has never watched his or her own video. all day long we only watch pros playing on TV and consequently we just use them as benchmark. instead, you need to understand the difference between perception of playing by yourself and of watching it on a computer screen.
     
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  37. widmerpool

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    You could beat the top female NCAA player.

    NOTE: I did not watch the video.
     
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  38. tonygao

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    what is NCAA?
     
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  39. comeback

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    Hi Tony, can you tell me how/what method you edit your videos?
     
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  40. tonygao

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    I use Corel videostudio pro
     
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    You guys are both easily 4.0 if you can replicate that kind of play in tournaments (where it matters).
    LeeD is smoking some good stuff.
     
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  42. LeeD

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    Where YOU live, maybe.
    I live and play in Berkeley Ca.
    #4 on San Pablo's 4.5 team was a #1 for UC Berkeley less than 20 years ago.
    #1 for Montclair'ss 4.5 team was #2 for Cal Poly less than 7 years ago.
    #1 for San Pablo's 4.5 team plays Open tourneys and does well.
    No way Tony is .5 below that level.
    FYI, my practice buds were all D-2 top 4's. I don't play a whole lot worse now compared to then. I don't run nearly as well, but hit much better. I am a low 4.0.
    No way Tony is a 4.0 in Berkeley. Just like, no way JimLefty can compete against a former No. ONE mens for UC Berkeley.
    You are dreaming.
     
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  43. Maximagq

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    The #4 on the UC Berkeley is probably underrating himself, no? UC Berkeley has a pretty strong Men's program and less than 20 years isn't that far off to drop to a 4.5?
     
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  44. LeeD

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    4.5 is a darn high level of play.
    YOU are 4.5.
    Lots of 4.5's around here played D-1 singles, but aged 20 years since.
    Most of them easily can hit at Open levels, but don't PLAY at open levels.
    If I could move, I'd be 4.5 easily. My buds, guy who didn't do as well in Open level events back in the late '70's, all played top 4's in D-2-3. Most now play 4.0's.
    Age has an effect.
    I don't think this #4 is cherry picking, as he's captain of the 4.5 team that is middlin in our area.
    Or maybe, the other 4.5 teams around are cherry picking, but none are going to Regionals.
     
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  45. LeeD

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    And of course, Tony is no where near AndreAnderson's level of play, a true 4.0 only recently.
     
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  46. Maximagq

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    I would think these D-1 guys would still be in the 5.0-5.5+ range 20 years later (40-50 age group), but that's just my opinion
     
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  47. LeeD

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    I"m only giving examples of 4.5 in our area.
    There's a few guys who hit very similar to you (Ming, whom Shroud got double bagelled by, he mentioned it), plays 40's and over, not skill rankings.
    President knows, we've played a variety of 4-4.5's in doubles, and he constantly says the guys here are pretty good for their stated levels.
     
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    But do you know Sigur Sigurvinsson? He once double breadsticked Petur Petursson in the 40+ league, who actually managed to get of a set off the great Walgispur Walgispursson againt who Petur even had to play an uphill battle... just like the streets of San Francisco. But still a little bit different.
     
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  49. LeeD

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    I do now hawk eye is a useless poster with no opinion of anything except to diss fellow posters.
    At least I expressed my opinion, and back it up with examples of what I consider to be solid 4.5 level players, and OP is nowhere close to that level.
     
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  50. hawk eye

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    C'mon LeeD you know better than that.. You're just mad aren't you, that I didn't put Andre Anderson in the mix. But I forgive you anyway. Peace bro.
     
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