2016 Wimbledon. WTA.

Who will be the Wimbledon champ?

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insideguy

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Aussie Darcy said:
Of course I do, i'm not trying to discredit Serena here, i've always been a huge fan of hers, just saying she'll reach a milestone she hasn't reached before..
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Rankings are odd. If you think about it Nadal hasnt won a slam in two years. I dont think he has even reached a final of one in two years. Somehow he is still number 4 in the world. It just depends on who is winning the most matches consistently.
 
DRII

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Man of steel said:
Now i know you're delusional. Azarenka's henin's and kvitova's backhand better than serena's. Haha now i've heard it all.
Serena produces more winners on her forehand side like most other players. But its the least stable side she has. It can either destroy you or destroy her. Its the most stable side of her game that never breaks down.
You need to watch some old matches and actually look at serena's backhand because i don't know where you're getting your opinion from. In no way am i basing serena's backhand on current competition. In fact you're the person who's basing it on her current competition. Who has ever to advantage of serena's backhand. No player has ever used that as a tactic. Not even venus used that in her prime.

Every player went to serena's forehand because thats the side that could break down and she could spray a lot of errors. On the other hand she could destroy you with it.
You need to get some glasses honestly mate. Lol azarenka has a better backhand haha. You're cracking me up.

And return of serve Davenport and kvitova have better returns than serena. I can agree that seles and azarenka have equal or maybe even better returns than serena but not davenport or kvitova. The fact that you even say that clijsters is "just" on par is delusional.
Clisjters is easily number 1 and just shows how much you underank her.

Go over to Tennis forum where they actually talk about this stuff and you'll see how foolish your statements are. The fact that you'd place serena clijsters and capriati below davenport and kvitova in ROS is just delusional at least.

Honestly watch some old matches. Go on youtube or an old VHS becuase nearly everything you just said is BS.
Also go on the womens tennis forum where they actually discuss womens tennis.
You'll learn soon enough how ridiculous you sound.

Lol kvitova a better returner....
Jankovic a better backhand....

I've heard it all now:rolleyes::confused:
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i see your comprehension is lacking, so i'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. you also clearly contradict yourself several times.
there is no need in arguing with you, however i will elaborate just to try to make things clearer (for you).

when i'm discussing BOAT characteristics, i'm referring to when players are playing at prime/peak levels. so yes, you may be correct that when Serena is having an avg to subpar day, her FH is the more erratic side, but when she is playing well her FH is surely her best ground stroke with her BH being the side more susceptible to attack from a good opponent. Venus definitely knows this and attacks Serena's BH side when she was in prime form in matches against her, hence why Venus almost always had way more BH winners than Serena in matches when their levels were on par with one another. Serena usually leans on her BH side, during matches against dangerous opponents, in order to help protect it. Serena's BH does not have the flexibility and fluidity of the very best BHs ever. sorry if you don't realize that.

second, in this discussion you need to learn to try and isolate different characteristics of different players. we're not talking overall game play, but who has the best single trait (BH, FH etc). Jankovic has a fantastic BH (during her prime), its just that she doesn't put herself a position to use it all the time because other aspects of her game are not good enough to allow her to do so in respect to this discussion. same with Azeranka, her BH is superior to Serena's. she hits it earlier and cleaner and gets better direction. however she doesn't have the power of Serena, so she is not put in the position to be as offensive on her BH as Serena is in a given match.

and you're crazy if you think Davenport didn't have an excellent return, one of the best of all time, or Kivitova - who is essentially a left handed Davenport when she's playing well.

anyway, i doubt you have the ability to use such discernment to make good judgements, so just leave it to those who can...
 
DRII

DRII

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skyline said:
Why is Venus proof of that? Venus's style of play is favored by fast conditions, not slow ones. And my understanding is that grass may be a bit slower than usual.
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because Venus played relatively poorly this Wimbledon. her movement was very subpar.

her level was much higher in 2014 when she barely lost to Kiviotva who eventually won the title.
 
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DRII said:
because Venus played relatively poorly this Wimbledon. her movement was very subpar.

her level was much higher in 2014 when she barely lost to Kiviotva who eventually won the title.
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It almost hurts to see Venus move these days. She has her moments, but man, she was the fastest woman on tour by some margin in her prime.

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Dolgopolov85

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DRII said:
i see your comprehension is lacking, so i'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. you also clearly contradict yourself several times.
there is no need in arguing with you, however i will elaborate just to try to make things clearer (for you).

when i'm discussing BOAT characteristics, i'm referring to when players are playing at prime/peak levels. so yes, you may be correct that when Serena is having an avg to subpar day, her FH is the more erratic side, but when she is playing well her FH is surely her best ground stroke with her BH being the side more susceptible to attack from a good opponent. Venus definitely knows this and attacks Serena's BH side when she was in prime form in matches against her, hence why Venus almost always had way more BH winners than Serena in matches when their levels were on par with one another. Serena usually leans on her BH side, during matches against dangerous opponents, in order to help protect it. Serena's BH does not have the flexibility and fluidity of the very best BHs ever. sorry if you don't realize that.

second, in this discussion you need to learn to try and isolate different characteristics of different players. we're not talking overall game play, but who has the best single trait (BH, FH etc). Jankovic has a fantastic BH (during her prime), its just that she doesn't put herself a position to use it all the time because other aspects of her game are not good enough to allow her to do so in respect to this discussion. same with Azeranka, her BH is superior to Serena's. she hits it earlier and cleaner and gets better direction. however she doesn't have the power of Serena, so she is not put in the position to be as offensive on her BH as Serena is in a given match.

and you're crazy if you think Davenport didn't have an excellent return, one of the best of all time, or Kivitova - who is essentially a left handed Davenport when she's playing well.

anyway, i doubt you have the ability to use such discernment to make good judgements, so just leave it to those who can...
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Pl do carry on. Good posts. By the way, Serena is one of the few on the WTA today who moves into the backhand corner to use the inside out forehand. That itself is a trademark of players who rely more on the forehand to attack (unlike say a Svitolina who actually runs around her forehand because she's more comfortably hitting backhands).
 
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skyline

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DRII said:
because Venus played relatively poorly this Wimbledon. her movement was very subpar.

her level was much higher in 2014 when she barely lost to Kiviotva who eventually won the title.
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Sure, she played poorly, but that's more the result of opponents/draw than grass conditions imo. I just don't see how slow grass is her friend.

I agree that she was much better in 2014. The match with Kvitova was one of those where you're saddened that someone has to be eliminated. The final with Bouchard seemed like a cruel joke.
 
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Did anyone catch the final game of the Girls Singles? Potapova vs Yastremska. Insane drama. Twice, Potapova served at CP and the return was long which lead to obvious celebration, and twice Yastremska challenged the serve and was correct. Hilarious. Finally Potapova won the match on like her 7th CP.
 
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ScentOfDefeat

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Too busy celebrating the Euro win to comment here (also, I was away for a couple of days and had no internet). Well done Serena, better luck next time, Kerber. But, most of all, ALL HAIL PORTUGAL!

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skyline

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ScentOfDefeat said:
Too busy celebrating the Euro win to comment here (also, I was away for a couple of days and had no internet). Well done Serena, better luck next time, Kerber. But, most of all, ALL HAIL PORTUGAL!

:)
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You were a fan? I am glad for them as a team b/c they're quality enough to deserve it, but good god that bunker game....Greece 2004 redux.
 
ScentOfDefeat

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skyline said:
You were a fan? I am glad for them as a team b/c they're quality enough to deserve it, but good god that bunker game....Greece 2004 redux.
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Well yes, I'm Portuguese and it's hard not to root for our national team. It wasn't the best football, but it was certainly the most effective. I disagree, however, with the bitter journalists and commentators (especially ESPN, which seems to be influencing a lot of American opinion on this) saying that this is not how football should be played, or that it isn't even football - like any other sport, football has its ebbs and flows, and we're now in a paradigm where possession-based football has given way to smart defence, rapid transitions and tactical prowess. We were the masters of that in this Euro and that's why we won. I'll trade spectacular football coupled with undeserved or naive defeats (what we did in the past) for this any day of the week.
 
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ScentOfDefeat said:
Well yes, I'm Portuguese and it's hard not to root for our national team. It wasn't the best football, but it was certainly the most effective. I disagree, however, with the bitter journalists and commentators (especially ESPN, which seems to be influencing a lot of American opinion on this) saying that this is not how football should be played, or that it isn't even football - like any other sport, football has its ebbs and flows, and we're now in a paradigm where possession-based football has given way to smart defence, rapid transitions and tactical prowess. We were the masters of that in this Euro and that's why we won. I'll trade spectacular football coupled with undeserved or naive defeats (what we did in the past) for this any day of the week.
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I didn't know you're Portuguese. Congrats! I would always support my national team(s) too.

I'm not influenced by American media when it comes to soccer though I'm American and live here because I'm also Croat (I have dual citizenship) and Croatian media is my go-to on anything soccer-related. (The upcoming DC QF between Croatia and US will be a hard one for me!.) And Croatian media has covered Portugal positively, for the record, not least because they thought the judge was biased towards the French (they thought the player who injured CR should have been carded) and because it made our own defeat easier to accept if we could say we were defeated by the eventual champion.

I do dislike the soccer they played, but that's not to say I'm hating on them. They played effectively and one can't blame them because it's the titles and not the beautiful play style that's remembered in the end.

Kinda the same reason I don't hate on Djoker or Murray even though I dislike their tennis. Can't argue with results.
 
ScentOfDefeat

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skyline said:
I didn't know you're Portuguese. Congrats! I would always support my national team(s) too.

I'm not influenced by American media when it comes to soccer though I'm American and live here because I'm also Croat (I have dual citizenship) and Croatian media is my go-to on anything soccer-related. (The upcoming DC QF between Croatia and US will be a hard one for me!.) And Croatian media has covered Portugal positively, for the record, not least because they thought the judge was biased towards the French (they thought the player who injured CR should have been carded) and because it made our own defeat easier to accept if we could say we were defeated by the eventual champion.

I do dislike the soccer they played, but that's not to say I'm hating on them. They played effectively and one can't blame them because it's the titles and not the beautiful play style that's remembered in the end.

Kinda the same reason I don't hate on Djoker or Murray even though I dislike their tennis. Can't argue with results.
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For the record, I think Croatia have always been sort of unlucky in these competitions and I believe their day to shine will eventually come too. They produce far too much talent to not win something eventually. And maybe it'll come with one of your "worst" teams as well, you never know.
 
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ScentOfDefeat said:
For the record, I think Croatia have always been sort of unlucky in these competitions and I believe their day to shine will eventually come too. They produce far too much talent to not win something eventually. And maybe it'll come with one of your "worst" teams as well, you never know.
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Who knows.

I do think Portugal showed exceptional tactical intelligence - letting opponent have the ball most of the time, making them think they were dominating the match and that the goal was "in the air." When it really wasn't and all the other team was doing was exhausting itself.

Portugal's also had bad luck through the years, so it's fitting this happened.

And Ivanisevic (who I love) played a terribly ugly game! That 2002 W is definitely to be remembered for the incredible drama, NOT the game with which he managed to win it.
 
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skyline said:
Who knows.

I do think Portugal showed exceptional tactical intelligence - letting opponent have the ball most of the time, making them think they were dominating the match and that the goal was "in the air." When it really wasn't and all the other team was doing was exhausting itself.

Portugal's also had bad luck through the years, so it's fitting this happened.

And Ivanisevic (who I love) played a terribly ugly game! That 2002 W is definitely to be remembered for the incredible drama, NOT the game with which he managed to win it.
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2001. ;)
 
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