26 year old Sampras would have regularly beaten 26 year old Federer

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  1. BreakPoint

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    Did you even see the 2nd exhibition match? If you did, you would have seen Federer hitting to Sampras' backhand most of the time during baseline rallies in order to deny Sampras his famous running forehand.

    Sampras was joking and clowning around with Federer, the crowd, the linespeople, etc., while Federer was all business. Federer only smiled when Sampras did something funny but he never initiated anything funny himself. He was focused and serious. It was easy to tell.
     
  2. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    I didn't see the final match, though it seemed as though Federer was holding back on his serve in the first two. What would have happened if Sampras had held back on his serve?
     
  3. superman1

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    Federer was holding serve anyway, so that wouldn't matter. Except the game that Sampras broke. From what I recall, Sampras hit some huge forehands in that game including one giant inside-out one in a rally so it may have been legit.
     
  4. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    Sometimes, it's not just whether or not a player can hold serve, but how comfortably they can do so. Easy service games peppered with aces put great pressure on their opponents. Players who holds back on their serves may miss that advantage.
     
  5. zagor

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    One of the dumbest statements I ever saw on the internet,I guess his serve also isn't in the top 10 of all time right?
    Did you even watch Sampras in the 90's?
     
  6. jaZZirat

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    I have to agree 100% zagor that has to be the dumbest tennis statement i have ever heard. 14 slams and yet wouldnt even qualify for one today. Unfreakinbelievable for someone to even suggest that.
     
  7. jaZZirat

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    absolutely, had Sampras had another 15 mph on his serve in the 90's he would have won 14 slams he would have won 30.
     
  8. jaZZirat

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    fixed quote
     
  9. zagor

    zagor Talk Tennis Guru

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    Sampras hit 26 and Fed 25 so no he didn't outace Sampras and I'd say 70% and 26 aces is great for anyone even Sampras,it's not like he served 30+ aces every match like Goran did.Again you're giving absolutely no credit whatsoever to Federer for serving and returning great that match but I do not expect a fanboy like you to do so.Sure people are overanalyzing this match because neither were in their primes and one match is way too small sample to say how their entire potential rivalry would develop but atleast it was an actual atp match,not an exhibition.For the record I consider Pete a better grasscourt player than Federer and I think he would have an edge on grass if they were both in their prime but unlike you I atleast aknowledge Federer greatness and give credit where credit is due.I do not consider you a Federer fan I actually think you're biased against him and that you do not want him to break Pete's records.
     
  10. BreakPoint

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    Huh? Didn't I just give Federer credit for his great serving by saying that I thought he out-aced Sampras in that 2001 Wimbledon match?

    Are you absolutely sure of those total ace numbers? Did you count every ace? Because without knowing the final statistics and just watching the match, it sure seemed to me like Federer hit more aces than Sampras did. So maybe Sampras' return of serve is not as bad as some on you make it out to be? :wink:

    BTW, I couldn't care less if Federer broke Sampras' records or not. Whether he does or does not doesn't affect my life one iota. My life would still be the same and I would still be doing the same things. As I've mentioned before, I rarely even root for anyone when I watch tennis as I just want to see a good match. In fact, during this weekend's Davis Cup final, I actually wanted the Russians to win a match or two just so we could see more live tennis matches and also because the Russians were the underdogs. I was hoping the Bryan brothers would lose. And I'm an American!!
     
  11. zagor

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    I'll watch the Fed-Pete match later this afternoon so I'll count it then and I never thought that a prime Sampras had a bad return,he didn't have the best return but it was far from being a liability.I have his 1995 Wimbledon match on tape and he broke Becker five times in the last three sets(while Becker made a gesture like he is blind because he could not read Pete's serve) and also bageled Goran in 1994 final so his return was very good IMO.
     
  12. OrangeOne

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    The questions and demands you place on other posters here are often ludicrous and laughable. Nonetheless, from atptennis.com....

    Tournament Wimbledon
    Round R16
    Time 221 minutes
    Winner Federer

    Sampras [​IMG]
    Federer [​IMG]

    Sevice Statistics
    Aces 26 25
    Double Faults 9 6
    1st Serve Percentage 69% (132/189) 62% (113/181)
    1st Serve Points Won 76% (101/132) 82% (93/113)
    2nd Serve Points Won 45% (26/57) 51% (35/68 )
    Break Points Saved 78% (11/14) 81% (9/11)
    Service Games Played 29 29
    Statistics on Return

    1st Return Points Won 17% (20/113) 23% (31/132)
    2nd Return Points Won 48% (33/68 ) 54% (31/57)
    Break Points Won 18% (2/11) 21% (3/14)
    Return Games Played 29 29
    Statistics on Points

    Total Service Points Won 67% (127/189) 70% (128/181)
    Total Return Points Won 29% (53/181) 32% (62/189)
    Total Points Won 48% (180/370) 51% (190/370)
     
  13. BreakPoint

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    I didn't think asking him a yes or no question would be that hard, nor "ludicrous and laughable".
     
  14. zagor

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    The answer is no,I didn't count every ace,I looked at the statistics from atptennis website.I didn't watch that match in quite a while but I have it on tape and since statistics posted on the web can sometimes be wrong I'll watch it later this day and I will count aces.
     
  15. No Drop Shots

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    Sampras would have won more Wimbledons if Federer hadn't been around to beat him!!!!

    Federer did beat Sampras in the only competitive match they have played!! Sampras beat Fed in a fixed exo recently and now you all think he can still beat him (even tho he hadn't ever before).

    Soon Fed will eclipse Sampras' grand slam tally and then, thank god, it will be decided, Fed IS better than Sampras was at any time in his career. All these 'Sampras is better than Fed' threads are all by proud Americans who are reluctant to admit the GOAT accolade is changing hands!! Love it!!

    Personally I think Agassi is more deserving of praise than Sampras, because he won all four GS', which shows a greater depth to his game than just serving your way to lots of dull wimbledon titles. Sampras's matches were dull, he is dull, the game is much more interesting now his dominance has been replaced by Fed!!
     
  16. Tennis-Chris

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    Coulda Woulda Shoulda - blah blah blah!!! I can't believe I am actually responding to this. I must have nothing to do this morning.:-?
     
  17. Ossric

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    All I'm going to say is that if Roger wasn't born, it doesn't mean certain people would have more Gran Slam titles.

    Whatever cosmic change it might have had could mean Nadal was never born as well, or Roddick took up Figure Skating instead.
     
  18. cknobman

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  19. shakes1975

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    so, tell me, which match is the more legitimate one, and one that will be counted in the h2h between fed and sampras ?

    their 2001 Wim 4th rd match or the exo at Macau ?

    i rest my case.

    or do you think sampras was not motivated in their 2001 wim match or was not at his peak ? which is more likely ? sampras was not at his peak in the wim 2001 match or fed was not at his peak in the exos ? i would like to think that fed didn't play the exos with the same intensity as he did just a few days earlier, as against roddick or nadal in the YEC.
     
  20. shakes1975

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    dude, you can try and convince yourself all you want that sampras would've beaten repeatedly fed on the tour. unfortunately, you cannot prove it. a win in a exo wouldn't cut it. else, roddick would have an extra win over fed after his victory at kooyong.

    years from now, when the dust has settled on this generation, all everyone will look at is the slams won. if fed ends up with more slams than sampras, he will be the GOAT. nobody is going to dig up an exhibition match to prove that fed is not the GOAT because he lost to sampras.

    i feel sorry for sampras fans like you.;-)
     
  21. Klatu Verata Necktie

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    Maybe.

    I think that years from now, people will marvel at an Eastern European GOAT who wins his first Grand Slam from inside his mother's womb and amasses 14 Slams by the age of 20.
     
  22. hewittboy

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    The only reason he bageled Goran in the 1994 final is Goran gave up and TANKED the last set, anyone who saw that match knows that. The first two sets were tiebreaks. Pete wasnt a bad returner, but Federers return of serve is much better then Petes was. It isnt even close.
     
  23. zagor

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    I agree that Federer is a better returner than Sampras but Pete was not bad either,as for Wimbledon final against Goran in 1994(that's the only Pete's Wimbledon final I didn't watch) I didn't watch that match I only know the score so my mistake.
     
  24. BreakPoint

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    I highly doubt it. With his mental state and his poor play throughout 2001, Sampras would have most likely lost to Henman in the next round, just like Federer did.
     
  25. Tennis_Bum

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    Good response.
     

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