3.0 player vs. Open player (actual pro)

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  1. Jay27

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    3.0 player vs. (actual pro) (video posted)

    I couldn't believe it when he did it the first time, but the second????

    My friend Austin played his first tournament....ever, a few weeks back. He enlisted in the open event at a Chillicothe, OH event. Austin is a total beginner, but could maybe compete in a 3.0 event and maybe win a match (he's not very good, but he's a beginner...so he does have an excuse). So, I explained to him about open event players. These players are ex pros, teaching pros, people trying to go pro, top college level players...etc. Well, in his first tourney, he got double bageled...common sense would tell you that he would. So, when I spoke with him after that, I challenged him to play a 3.0 event. If he won his first match, then I would buy him dinner at his choice restaurant. Not a bad bet for him beings he didn't have to owe anything if he lost. I just wanted to try and prove a point.

    But, in the Fyffe Jones tourney coming up this weekend, I saw him in the draw. But, I saw him in the open event........AGAIN! I couldn't believe it! Anyway, I saw that he's playing the #1 seed...Patrick Walker. Patrick actually plays futures events and quallies (I think...at least that's what others say). He's definitely a treat to watch. He hits about a 130 first serve...give or take a few mph's. My friend Austin, who will be unbelievably outclassed, is about to realize why he shouldn't be in the open event this Saturday at 8:00 a.m.

    But, here's my question. Is it fair for Patrick to have to endure this? Is there anything I can tell my ignorant friend? I like Austin, but he's just totally totally in over his head. I play 4.0 events and I very very very easily double bagel him...Never once has he ever got a game off me.

    His justification for all this is that "if I just get my backhand in, I'll be able to..." and I have to stop him in mid sentence. I tell him...these guys aren't thinking like that at all. They don't have to think about the things you're thinking about. 3.0's think about what you're thinking about. I just get so upset when talking to him. I'm sure Patrick does NOT want to waste 25 minutes wiping Austin's arse up. Although, since austin is in the s**t, I hope he can get a few points here or there. But, I just don't see this happening. Anyway, just thought I'd vent this on here because it is frustrating and sort of embarrasing for me to have to listen to the what if's and/or worse...watch!!!

    I actually think he thinks he's going to get better by playing better competition in this event. I told him that's true if you're a 3.0 player playing a 3.5 player...and so forth. I said if you're not applying pressure with your strokes at a 5.0 to 5.5 or 6.0 level, then you're not going to compete in this event. My friend Chad Pierron is 2nd seed in this tourney and he's totally outclassed by Patrick (although it's a fun match to watch, they've played before). My friend Chad is about a 5.5 D1 college level player. Anyway, sorry to post this, but I want Austin to understand, for the sake of embarrassment and for the sake of players like Patrick, who I'm sure doesn't want this type of match.

    Edit: Here are the videos:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...46059852&hl=en

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71219172&hl=en

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73144191&hl=en
     
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  2. TENNIS_IS_FUN

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    HAHAHA...a 3.0 vs an Open Player...get this on tape for me please.
     
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    The match is at 8:00 a.m. on Saturday. I'm really thinking about getting out of bed, driving 1 hour to get there, and bring my digital camera to capture the ludacracy. Anyway, if I do, it will definitely be posted.
     
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    HAHAHA, real life story.

    I am playing in the quarters, or semis of this open tourney. And go to meet the guy I am playing. I am a friendly guy and BS with everyone unless they are being like super serious leave me alone.

    So he says, "Hey, you were on the courts next to me in the R16".

    I remember when he mentions it, and remember a bunch of ppl on the court taking pics and stuff before everyone walked off while I was in the middle of my first set. I was like WTF are these people doing while I am trying to play.

    I reply "Oh yea, I didn't get to see much, did the guy you were playing get hurt?"

    He replies "No, it was his first tournament ever and he brought his whole family to watch, and I beat him 0 and 0 in 18 minutes."

    J
     
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    LOL! (ten characters)
     
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    Do it. Please.
     
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  7. Jay27

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    Absolutely hillarious! I would retire my racket if I encountered something like that.

    I think I will. It's too good to pass up. I'm playing in the tourney as well...just not stupid enough to play in the open...lol. I'll post the video Saturday whenever I'm done playing...lol.
     
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    I'm anticipating this, don't disappoint us!
     
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  9. Jay27

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    Well, I certainly can't now...lol. If Austin gets a game, I'll run my next marathon in my Ohio State thongs...(did I say I have Ohio State thongs?)...lol.
     
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    LOL....good stuff
     
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    Think of it this way, when will he ever get a chance to play with Patrick Walker other than this? Maybe that's his mentality.

    Or maybe he's crazy, either way works.
     
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    I am actually happy for him. He is doing something he really wants to do, and not caring about what other people think or whether he fails or not. There's a lesson in there for most of us
     
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  13. alan-n

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    Forget 0,0... will the 3.0 even win a point?
     
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    I'm glad you feel that way, but he thinks he can really compete with these guys. I'm telling you, he holds his racket with a semi-western grip when serving...no first serves ever go in, dinks the second serve, and has absolutely no forehand or backhand. He's the epitomy of a 2.5 and very weak 3.0. I know what you're saying about being happy for him, but I would be more happy if he was a 4.0 and tried it. He'd still get killed, but at least he wouldn't look so bad.

    Sometimes I try to rally with him, and it takes a lot of effort on my part to runn'em down and get'em back. Then, when he does get one back that's decent to hit, it's just barely clearing the net and very short. In all, I think he's a weak 3.0. He tries to hit his serve hard, but is totally totally totally inconsistent. It's going to be a blood bath. Wouldn't you rather see him succeed? I'm happy for him as well because I'd love to be hitting with Patrick. I just wouldn't want to look stupid as he put me away time and time again.

    Maybe I'm mean...I don't know.
     
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  15. babolat15

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    get it on tape
     
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  16. Mike Cottrill

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    Fair,, Patrick will love this. #1 seed, I guess he did not get an official bye in this turnery. Patrick will look at it this way,, I’m off the court resting, get something to eat and hydrate while his next opponent is most likely working his but off to make to the next round. Question will be, will Patrick say “sorry mate” to Andrew.
     
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  17. drakulie

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    You have to get some vid and post it. PLEASEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
     
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  18. tennis_hand

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    if he thinks he can improve playing these players, totally wrong.
    he can get discouraged and demoralized. Of course u need to play with good players in order to improve, but constantly getting beaten and too large a gap doesn't help with improvement at all.
     
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    ^^^ The problem is>>> you can't improve if you are not even getting the racquet on the ball. LOL
     
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  20. stormholloway

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    Look what has happened to Donald Young, and he can actually play tennis.
     
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  21. andyroddick's mojo

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    just don't try to force him to do things. its fine if he's a 3.0 going for the big boys, it'll be good experience, but don't CLASSIFY him as a 3.0, its almost like being prejudice. oh your a 3.0 so you stand no chance to a 4.5, but thats not always the case you know. Just give him a little leeway and help him get better, since he seems to want to do that very badly.
     
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  22. The Gorilla

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    He might win a game if he hits veryhigh heavy moonballs off both wings, the worst thing he could do is try to play aggressively, he'll lose so quickly and so embarrassingly.
     
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  23. jasoncho92

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    I dont think he has the capability of doing that and he would probably get aced/return aced a lot
     
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    I would both love and hate to be Patrick. Love it for the extra round advance, hate it because he obviously isn't meant to be there.
     
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    The main problem I see with your friend Austin is that if he gets beaten down really bad repeatedly, he may end up quitting tennis. In any sport if you don't see at least some results it is easy to get discouraged and move on to something else.
     
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    You should be more supportive as a friend.

    Maybe he'll get lucky and the seed will injure himself and retire hurt.
     
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    Of course he can do whatever he wants to, but this is no 3.0 vs. 4.5.
    This is a tennis beginner vs. a professional tennis player. What's the point?
     
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    Who are these 3.0's that can hit high heavy moonballs?! Huh? that's what gets me about this board. Alot of tatics - but if your not a very high skill level player they aren't going to work..

    Pete
     
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    You have to become really good at tennis before you begin realizing how much you suck. Newbies can lost 0 and 0 and still think they're just as good as their opponent, just not as lucky. It's insane.
     
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    Almost every player has a bye in the first week. So, Austin will be playing Patrick in second round.

    I will be supportive of Austin. I hope he does really well, but at the same time, I would hate it (if i was Patrick) if I had to play someone like this (heck, I hate it now when he asks me to hit). That being said, I will try and endure the embarrassing match and video tape it. I hope I'm not sounding mean. I mean, I really want him to succeed at tennis. It's just that I hate the fact that he pays money to get into a tournament, drive over 2 hours to get there, play a pro, drive all the way back home and then tell me that he could have done better had he got his backhand in more...I just hate it! I'm sorry.

    Maybe he's only going for the Cheeseburger, bag of chips, and the soda you get when you pay your entry fee??? That's always a good incentive for me.

    Well, I think maybe I've beaten him down mentally as well. Bad on my part. But, I'm really trying to make him understand that you can't start playing tennis and immediately jump to the 5.0+ level. It's just not possible. He doesn't want to pay his dues, he can't afford lessons, he doesn't have the form (not even close), and simply doesn't have the mental grasp of the game......yet. He tells me he doesn't have extra time to play in the lower events...and if I tell him that it would be nice if he entered into a 3.0 or even 3.5 event, he blows it off as an insult. As if he's lowering himself to a level of the total amateur. I then challenged him, that if he could win a match at the 3.0 level, then I'd buy him dinner anywhere he'd like. Doesn't matter the cost, fancyness or anything. Then, he enters the Open of this event! I really think he has a mental problem...I'm sorry to say. He's nice as can be, but totally out of his mind. If he can't realize what he's doing, then I'm going to just let him do it and get the video. I'll also show him the video, so maybe he can see the subtle differences...lol. If he dares tell me that had he gotten his first serve in more, or had gotten his backhand in more that he could have given him a game, I'm going to let him have it. I'm not one to sugar coat things and tell someone their something their not. His best friends won't tell him, but I will. That's how it see it.
     
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  31. topspin_17

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    3.0 vs a pro? cool haha i'd like to see that one.

    i actually quite like playing against open players in thailand... not the actual pros though. however in thailand, the pros like paradorn and danai just go and play their atp tournaments and challengers, but the players just below their level stay in thailand, and play the thai open circuit, so you get the 'ultimate' bunch like paradorn, danai, weerapat, sonchat and sanchai, and then you get the next level (like juniors who almost but didn't make it pro), like ekkarin, pongsiri, niwat and then you get a bunch of very good club players who play the old style of tennis, like flat shots all over. so theoretically, in thailand you will always face a good player in the main draw of the open competition but you will never face the best of the best, unless you're in the national junior tournament final.
     
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  32. shindemac

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    Totally agree with this. We get noobs coming in here saying they're a 4.0 after playing under a year, while we say they're at most a 3.0. Then a year later, they come back and say they've improved a lot and they were probably more like a 2.5 before.
     
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  33. skiracer55

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    That's unreal...

    ...did the 18 minutes include the 5 minute warmup or not? Even so, considering the fact that you have to change sides, and so forth, I can't imagine that the guy won a point or even got the ball over the net. Any other details?
     
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  34. shindemac

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    Playing my noob friend who's prob a 2.0 and me a 3.5, it's probably similiar. Him: doublefault, doublefault, etc. Me: serve, error. Repeat. Maybe he gets it back once or twice, but rallies are usually short. It was so fast, we had to play 3 sets.
     
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  35. edi5386

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    Sometimes people don't realize what they are getting themselves into. I agree with you that after he lost terribly he should not have gone back for more punishment. Sometimes if your a noob you might join a tournement and not reallize the whole NTRP rating thing and are in over your head.

    I remember playing in this league and the guy next to me was like a 4.5 and the guy he played was maybe a 3.0. The 3.0 guy felt really bad when he realized he was totally outmatched and apologized to the gentlemen. The 4.5 guy was such a dick though and made the nooby feel really bad saying "don't waste my time". It should be noted that the 3.0 guy explained that he was new and didn't understand the rating system. Instead of just accepting the guys apology and saying "no worries" its not a big deal the 4.5 guy had to degrade the guy and make him feel like ****. I'm sure the 3.0 guy went home feeling pretty ****ty and rethinking if he should stick with tennis. The point I am trying to make is that experienced players should cut some first timers some slack. Worse case scenerio is they loose a half hour and maybe give some instruction to a beginner. In the case of your friend he obviously is stubborn and probably thinks he is better than he actually is.
     
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  36. J011yroger

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    Dunno, I was kind of busy playing my match. I just remember midway through my first set they were all on the court taking pictures.

    The guy who did the winning was a 4.5/5.0ish, and if the other guy was 3.0ish, I can't imagine it took much more than 15-20 mins.

    I have played sets against 2.5/3.0 players before. After one of them I remember the guy came up to me and said "This is far less competitive than I thought it would be." Basically 10% of the points get past the Serve/Return phase.

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    I think he's gotten over his head. Like a friend of mine telling whe could probably benchpress the same amount as me. Untill I proved him wrong with my 330 pounds against his 180 pounds. The point of my story is: People like to consider themselves equally good or better than others, just for the feel of it.

    Anyways, I wouldn't be upset if I met a 3.0 during an open, but as within this sport of tennis, MANY players get very presumptuous and hot-headed. It's not like you see Federer complaining when meeting a player ranked 142 and double-baghling him. To improve beyond yourself against players below your level is a big part of any sport.
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    : Good story! :D

    Jay27
    : Yeah, post the tape, but be wary about showing it to him. It may discourage him from playing at all.
     
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  38. tennis_nerd22

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    ya please do
     
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    Please, please, for the sake of tennis, get it on tape, not just 5 minutes, ALL of it, oh wait, that is going to be all of it. ;)
     
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  40. Mr.Federer

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    Please, you should get some video of the match. It can just help.
     
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    I will most definitely get it on tape. I'm not playing tomorrow until 11:00 a.m., and his match is at 8:00 a.m. I'm pretty sure it'll be over by then...:)

    I'm going to tape it, break it down into segments, and post it on here. I'm not sure how this is going to turn out. I told the local pro about Austin, and he thought, OH My...he said he didn't know and doesn't know some of the people entering into the open events sometimes. He said it's going to be bad...and kind of laughed a little (while shaking his head). Patrick is so freakin awesome when he plays. He hits with just unbelievable pace and so much variation. It really is fun to watch him play someone at the same level...although, there usually isn't anyone at his level.

    I'll quit talking about it, and get the video. It's going to be fun.

    Keep in mind, I'm getting up at 6:30 a.m. to drive an hour to the courts, just to tape this for you guys (and for myself of course). And, I don't play until 11:00 a.m. So, if I lose my match, I'm blaming it on not getting enough sleep...lol. I have to have my list of excuses :)
     
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    Haha, that's funny. I will have it on tape. I'll try to have the videos posted tomorrow night.

    Do you guys know the MB limits on youtube. If one video is 100 meg and achieve the limit, can you post more videos. Is the limit usually just limited to one video, or your entire collection on youtube.

    Let me know if that doesn't make sense...lol.
     
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    i'm pretty sure there's no limit. the 100 mb is just the limit for one video only. i cant wait to watch this :D
     
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  44. Swissv2

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    I can host the video if you need.
     
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    Wow, this is the most anticipated match ever...
     
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    i agree please put the file on a file upload site like megaupload, rapidshare... because you tube has a pathetic 1995 era 320x240 resolution and you cant see squat clearly (the ball for example...).
     
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  47. The Gorilla

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    put the file on google video, it can handle a file of any size and resolution
     
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    it's called a friend with too much ego. I think everyone has to put up with one sometime.
     
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    Even more anticipated than Lee vs. that 12 years old prodigy girl? :D
    Who remember this?? :D
     
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  50. Dunlopkid

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    I too am eagerly awaiting the vids.:D
     
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