3.0? Serve and volley and net rushing

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  1. theblueark

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8p_DirUoQ

    Recorded this the other day so I can see my own major mistakes, I'm in white. High on my priority list to work on:
    1. Laid back wrist in trophy pose - old habit that came back.
    2. Better footwork, better split steps.
    3. Overheads

    Feel free to comment on my horrible push returns, bad choices of approach situations, ugly volleys and overheads, and how any decent baseliner would have no problems passing me.

    No USTA competitions where I'm from so I'm self rating myself 3.0. I dunno.
     
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  2. scotus

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    I like your spirit and aggressive style.

    I agree that you need to work on your split steps. You do it on most of your S&V, but when you come in after a service return, you seem to forget the split-step.

    Overhead: Yes, you need to put those away.

    One thing I would mention: On your return game, you are coming in after a moderate speed, semi-moon ball. This may work at your level. But it is a recipe for disaster if you play against a higher-level player. You either need to chip it really low and skidding, or hit it with authority to pull your opponent wide, or at least hit a good 3/4 with some major height to the opponent's weak side.
     
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  3. Torres

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    Make sure you punch those volleys - it should be a short decisive forward action, and not a passive action where you're simply holding the racket out for the ball to land on the strings.
     
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  4. WildVolley

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    Much too slappy with your volleys. On several of those points you had clear put-away volleys but you let your wrist break and wildly swung the racket at the ball - often hitting it directly back to your opponent.

    Keep your wrist firmer when volleying. Don't let the racket head flop around. Decide where you want to hit the volley and then guide the ball there with the racket head. When you are at the net, you won't need a lot of pace to take time away from your opponent. Aim is going to be more important than pace, and you'll be able to generate plenty of both as your technique improves without taking a wild swing while up at net.
     
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  5. timmeh

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    Suprisingly good advice from "WildVolley"
     
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  6. zapvor

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    first it looks like the courts are still drying up from rain, so its awesome to see you guys get out there right away. true tennis players!

    um yea so the bad news is you need to work on your volleys. lots of easy points you missed out on. looks like you two arent going 100% at each other.
     
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  7. Shaggy

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    I'm at or around your level, and it seems like you're discovering, as I did, that serve+volley and chip+charge are extremely effectively at that level even if your form isn't perfect. As you start playing better players, you'll need to improve a couple of things for that style to continue to produce good results. And you clearly realize that since you're asking for advice, so that's good.

    I'm working on the same thing myself, so I can pass on the advice I've gotten. Most of it as the same as what's been mentioned here: work on keeping your volleys tight and low; work on the placement of your volleys; try more slice approach shots, and -- just like the volleys --keep them tight and low; and when you decide to move to the net, make it a more swift, decisive, and assured movement. Most of the time, in the video at least, it seems like you're kind of ambling up to the net, which means you're not quite in the position you need to be in when you should be hitting your split step, which makes the split step timing slightly off, and therefore, everything that comes after it is slightly off. If you don't want to speed up your movement to the net, an alternate path would be to do a lot of practice hitting half volleys and taking the ball in the air on your opponent's groundstrokes, since you'll need to REALLY be good at that if you're not getting up to the net in a hurry.

    From what I can tell, you're off to a really good start. Sure, you're still doing some things wrong, but you're also doing a lot of things right. You're getting to the ball a majority of the time; you're getting a majority of the balls back in play; and, very important, you're not tensing up. Just keep working on it and I have a feeling that pretty soon you're going to have it down.
     
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  8. Shaggy

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    Forgot to mention: the latter half of the very last point played in the video was a good model for how things should look. It starts off with a slightly weak return of serve from you, but after that your movement to the net was more decisive and well timed. Your form on your volley was good, and the path of the ball looked like what a good volley should look like. Placement of the volley was also good: right at your opponent's feet as he was moving backwards. Nicely done.
     
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  9. theblueark

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    My thinking was that my volleys were ugly in a large part due to my poor footwork. When doing warmup volleys I perform more conventional looking, step in and punch type of volleys. But during play I tend to have my weight keep moving forward even while the ball is flying towards me, instead of balancing myself, then going into a volley stroke.

    I also have more problems with outside volleys than inside. Seems like similar to groundstrokes, it's easier to change direction on inside volleys. Once the volley goes outside I tend to hit it back where it came from. I shall have to try keeping in mind WildVolley's advice and see if I can guide the ball the other direction.

    Right now I'm still working on getting the kink out of my serve and more athletic split steps. So much to practice, so little time for a recreational player!
     
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  10. SStrikerR

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    Just one thing that hasn't been mentioned. Tell your brother that if he's going to hit lobs that land a foot over the net everytime, he might as well just watch the ball bounce twice instead of wasting his energy.
     
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  11. BU-Tennis

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    Its good to see someone attacking the net. We get too caught up with how the pros play to realize different strategies work at different levels. When I coached high school for a few years in college I would teach good volleys and attacking net games to everyone and those who were willing to learn and try were often very successful.

    You show understanding of the game by assessing yourself and right now you would benefit the most by improving your foot work and court positioning. Attacking the net is really about forcing your opponent into a shot and preparing for it while giving them just enough rope to hang themselves when they try and hit down the line winners.

    Keep at it!!
     
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  12. jdubbs

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    This is a great strategy at this level and even at the 3.5 level.

    It's 4.0 where the shots start to get a lot harder and tougher to volley.
    But kudos for the aggressive play, I've seen 3.0's much worse than you.
     
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  13. Andres

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    This is an important key to a good volley, and I feel it's sometimes overlooked:

    Keep the racquet in front of you at all times. Always volley well in front of you instead of volleying more to your sides.
    You'll have more control over your volleys, automatically more punch, and you'll allow less wrist movement, improving both items mentioned before.
     
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  14. thebuffman

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    OP way to be aggressive. I hope you continue that disposition as you progress toward better and better tennis play. I wanted to leave a note for your brother. Tell him start training himself on passing shots. It is a technique that is very much worth learning in place of lobbing. When I first started forcing myself to attempt passing shots, it was very difficult. The reason was because I would get excited every time I saw my opponent approaching, I would almost lose my breath not knowing what to do and becoming instantly frightful. I had to train myself FIRST to CALM DOWN and relax. Secondly, after I learned to become calm, I begin to practice hit dippers where i brushed the ball and not hit through it. Dippers work incredibly well to setup for the 2nd shot (always think two shots - setup dipper and finishing shot). Eventually you will build on to the dipper with outright winners and such but that is enough to get a person going with those two points there.

    Have fun!

    ps. Brent Abel does a good job in this video explaining it.
     
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  15. theblueark

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    So I've been spending some time with my serve and split step timing and balance. I videoed a session with a friend who hits makes me hit a lot of tough first volleys.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOtJ7DKWCnA

    Check out my head high kick serve at 0:24. Pretty proud of that one, though I screwed up the volley.

    Was also pretty happy with the low first volley at 2:23.

    Will be putting more focus on my volley technique next. I've been trying to keep in mind to have my racquet more forward in the ready position but I was too focused on the split steps and kept falling back into the habit of having the racquet too close to my body.
     
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  16. Chyeaah

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    Your opponent needs to learn the lob.
     
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  17. bjk

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    The lesson of this video is, rush the net if your opponent has never, ever hit an effective lob.
     
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  18. TheBoom

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    Remember you need to move forward while you volley. Not run through the ball because you have to split step but you meet to close on the net so you don't get any of those half volleys you got.
     
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