335 points between RF and RN

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  1. TennisLovaLova

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    This is getting really close.
    What's gonna happen in the next 2 months?
     
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    Assuming this difference is after the MC points have dropped off, the difference will increase by another 1000 points this weekend since Rafa is playing MC and is most likely to defend his title. Federer has chosen to forgo his MC points and is cheering on his football team instead :)
     
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  3. namelessone

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    Going by thread title, I though the OP was gonna show a video that encompassed 335 points played between the two. :)
     
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  4. DragonBlaze

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    LOL same here.
     
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  5. TennisLovaLova

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    I'm not nathaniel lol
     
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    I don't understand Federer skipping a Master's event. Why wouldn't he be trying to give himself the best possible chance take the #2 ranking and thus avoid playing Rafa and Novak in the same tournament? From a strategic standpoint I just don't get it.
     
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  7. The Bawss

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    This, after MC it will be 1335 points.
     
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  8. Evan77

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    right, he can defend that title if Djokovic gets hit by train or something like that :)
     
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  9. Carsomyr

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    He's 30 going on 31? Dude's played a ton of tennis since the US Open.
     
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  10. namelessone

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    Federer is 30 and just played two MS, not to mention the fact that he didn't exactly chill after AO, he played DC,Rotterdam and Dubai.

    He's already played 6 tourneys this year(and that's without DC), both Djoker and Nadal, 5 years younger, have played 4(without MC).

    The guy needs his rest because from now on till summertime the schedule will be packed. I think he actually did the smart thing here.
     
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    His grandfather died.
     
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    Yes but apparently Djokovic is still planning on playing in the tournament.

    May make him even more determined to win it now.
     
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  13. TennisLovaLova

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    oooh
    I start to imagine the drama if he wins RG...
    In 1995 AO Sampras vs Courrier, down two sets, a fan called out "Come on, Pete do it for your coach." Sampras began to cry, then served an ace.
    Djoko will cry, then grind
     
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    I know he's said it is to best prep for the French.
    But I've got a question.
    How does his achieving the #2 ranking make him avoid playing Rafa and Novak? I know he could be on the other side of the draw at some tournaments, but that is not guaranteed, is it? If he's 2 and Rafa were 3, wouldn't the same thing occur?
     
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  15. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    Touché! I want my 335 points.
     
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  16. Clarky21

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    It doesn't,but you're going to get Monfed in here to tell us all why Fed is practically a lock to win RG if Nadal drops out of the top 2. Lol.
     
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  17. Emet74

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    If Fed is #2 he's got a 50% shot of drawing Murray as his SF; as #3 he has a 0% chance of that occuring - that's the difference. As #3 he must play both Djoker and Nadal unless one/both are upset before they reach him.
     
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  18. decades

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    rf only cares about #1. And I believe he knows it's not going to be easy to get it back. So he is preparing for the big events. The rankings of the top 4 don't matter a lot imo since any one of them will most likely have to beat some combination of 2 of the other 3 for them to win a major tournament.
     
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    Djokovic is suffering from big trouble now.
     
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  20. 4RealMaster

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    please correct me if I'm wrong.
    But this difference is already with dropping the MC points from 2011 right?
    If so than Nadal dropped 720 points ( 9935 to 9215). But didn't he won MC last year?
    Well, in my calculation he had to drop to 8935!?
    Either I'm right or I'm totally wrong, in that case please don't juge me :D
     
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  21. Emet74

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    Well it's a very confusing system but I think what happened is sth like the following:

    Ranking is determined by a combination of points earned in WTF, slams, mandatory masters, and a certain number of your best results in 500 level and 250 level tournaments.

    Monte Carlo is a bizarre tournament because altho' it's worth 1000 points, from a rankings standpoint it is counted in the 500-tournament category.

    Since Nadal won it last year and it's now dropped off, he lost 1000 points in the 500 category BUT he was able to replace them with another result in that category which is still current, which is the 280 points he earned in Davis Cup play (yeah those points also can count in the 500 category). So he lost 1000 and gained 280, leading to a net loss of 720.

    If you're new to the crazy rankings system I'm sure this explanation will raise more questions than it answers but at least it's a start.

    Here is Nadal's current rankings breakdown:
    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=rb
     
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  22. 1HBH Rocks

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    If Nadal defends his title, he won't earn any point... do you understand why? Each Monday following a final, they erase last year's results and input this year's results. It will plus 1000 and minus 1000 pts if he wins. However, if he blows against Djokovic or falls out of the tournament before winning, he will LOOSE points since it will be minus last year's 1000pts plus this year's less than 1000pts.

    Why does it work this way? Well, you can't imagine player being rewarded for playing twice the same tournament... so, they erase and input the new ones each time to keep a 12 month record.
     
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  23. 1HBH Rocks

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    That's if they didn't already cut these points since it happens tournaments don't occur exactly in the same periods.
     
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    Ahh ok understood. Actually I'm not that new but it confuses me everytime^^. But thank you for the explanation.

     
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  25. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    By october Federer will be number one and sitting on 19 majors.
     
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    And His Royal Purseness will need those 19 majors because by October Nadal will be number one and sitting on 13 majors and well on the way to 16+.
     
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    ..............:confused::confused::confused::confused::oops:
     
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  29. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    You're wrong.
    Djokovic will have 8 majors.
    OR
    Murray will have 3.

    Book it.
     
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  30. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    An awful lot of retirements end in comebacks.

    Bookmarked for life.
     
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    Actually, Julien Bennetteau will have 3

    :D
     
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  32. TennisLovaLova

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    The knee disagrees amigo
     
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  33. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Did you post this in 2010 when Nadal had exactly the same treatment early in the clay season that he just had a few weeks ago, and went on to win 3 straight slams, amigo?
     
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  34. TennisLovaLova

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    I was kidding dude. The knee seems just fine.
    I really hope to see him at his best at RG, hopefully a semi vs federer...
    OK hombre?
     
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  35. TennisLovaLova

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    + can you bring the brackets back bullzilla?
     
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  36. mellowyellow

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    In the grand scheme of things though, he needs to get as many points as possible, and he is not likely to increases his clay points much if any, depending on his RG finish, could lose points even if he betters some of his clay before. Lets face it, he is ore susceptible to lose early, nothing is a sure thing now. At 31 he is not going to have the same end of season as he did last year and playing MC would have built on that great run. Sorry, 2 week break before and after MC seems to be enough for everyone else that play more clay than Fed....
     
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  37. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    Brackets may look good, but the shift button is no fun.
     
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  38. TopFH

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    Nadal didn't have a mental block against Djokovic before, who most likely will be sitting at 8 slams with the No.1 secure.
     
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  39. BULLZ1LLA2.0

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    LOL mental block. Nadal won the 1st set at 2011 Indian Wells and 2011 Miami, and Djerkovic won both matches. Mental block? Those were the first 2 losses of the 7 match streak. There was no 'mental block' (prior to that 2011 IW loss, Nadal beat Djerkovic at 2010 US Open and 2010 World Tour Finals) . Just simply one player outplaying the other, same as at the 2012 AO final.
     
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  40. TennisLovaLova

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    Yeah I agree with bullzilla
    And I'd like to add that I've never seen such a lucky player as djoko when the result of a match is decided by 1 or 2 in or out shots
     
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  41. mellowyellow

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    Coincidental isn't it that he had another "INJECTION" just before the clay season isn't it. Was I talking about this in 2010? Yes I was.
     
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  42. tennis_pro

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    he has now!

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  43. Big_Dangerous

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    If Rafa loses tomorrow, how many points will come off his ranking for failing to defend MC from last year?
     
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  44. mattennis

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    If Nadal loses the final, the ranking next Monday will be:

    1 Novak Djokovic SRB 13670

    2 Rafael Nadal ESP 9315

    3 Roger Federer SUI 8880

    4 Andy Murray GBR 7860

    With Barcelona Open points already taken off (because of the one-week time shift from last year)
     
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    So even if he loses the final, he'll still gain 100 points.
     
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  46. mattennis

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    Yes, because his 1000 points (from Monte Carlo last year) were already taken off last week (because of the one-week time shift) and this week he is "defending" his 500 points from the Barcelona Open'2011, but on the other hand he has gained 600 new points because of reaching the final of Monte Carlo'2012.
     
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    No wonder he's in favor of a 2 year ranking system. :)
     
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  48. mattennis

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    Federer still has huge opportunities for taking the nº2 ranking spot in the following weeks (after Madrid, after Rome, after RolandGarros, and specially in Wimbledon).

    What I now don't see happening is Federer taking the nº1 spot again if Djokovic continues to defeat everybody even when apparently not being 100% mentally in it.
     
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  49. monfed

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    Since Ralph was gaining points in MC anyway, Fed's choice of not playing it was wise.
     
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  50. nadal_slam_king

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    Was Djokovic mentally into it at the Australian Open? Was a couple of games from losing that (to Murray and Nadal), and that's at his favorite slam. I know Murray is a likely choke, but Nadal only needed a tiny bit of confidence to finish off Djokovic. I see that confidence has arrived, and Nadal will likely enter Madrid/Rome with 2 straight titles under his belt.
     
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