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  1. Feather

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    And he will play next years AO also with ONLY those titles under his belt. May be FO also.. That's it. Sorry to say this to you :wink:
     
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    And Wimbledon, and the Olympic Gold (again). Sorry to say this to you. Nadal is a far better grasscourt player than Djokovic. And let me also remind you that Nadal was playing a much higher level of tennis a the 2010 US Open than at the 2011 US Open. What happens at the US Open is very much in Nadal's hands.
     
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    Please don't remind me of the joke of the draw that he got in US open and facing a Novak who was totally burnt out after playing Roger in Semi Final. Don't worry, Rafa is NOT gonna make the finals of US and Wimbledon this time. He may win one more FO, that's it :wink:
     
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    I was talking about Monte Carlo, where Djokovic defeated Dolgopolov, Haase and Berdych, even though clearly he was not 100% mentally because of his grandfather's death.
     
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  5. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Don't forget about Federer at Madrid.
     
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  6. kishnabe

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    LOLOLOLOL.

    Really....Nadal isn't nearly as good as Djokovic, and Federer on hardcourts. Nadal is agressive at times but mostly defensive. Federer and Djokovic are more aggressive so it on their racquet when they play Nadal.

    2010 US Open was an anonymity.....I never seen Nadal play better in his whole Career. That will never happen again. 2011 US Open is how he will most likely play if he reached another US Open final.

    I agree Nadal is a better Grass and Clay court player than Djokovic. Hardcourts go to Djokovic no question.
     
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  7. jackson vile

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    Federer is closer than ever! :)
     
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    Actually, he spent 4 years ranked as #1 ahead of Nadal so no.
     
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    When you say "Nadal's hands" are you talking about the Tournament itself and its proven fixed draws?
     
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    oh, please man. right, Nadal is so much better on grass, he got spanked so badly at W last year by Djokovic. give me a break.
     
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    With a bounce as high as it is now its no wonder he does well on grass. Throw in mystery draws and viola...
     
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  12. jackson vile

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    [​IMG] FEDERERERERERER!!!!!
     
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  13. nadal_slam_king

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    Huh? Nadal breadsticked Djokovic at last year's Wimbledon, and Nadal broke Djokovic's serve in the 4th set. It was not a lopsided match, and Nadal did not play close to his best. Djokovic only wins as much as Nadal allows him to win. You'll figure it out this year.
     
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  14. TennisLovaLova

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    The same can be said when Nadal wins vs federer innit?
     
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    No, that's Federer's idea, not reality. Federer's backhand vs Nadal's topspin was never good enough. Federer simply isn't skillful enough to regularly beat Nadal. If he had a better backhand, he'd be more successful vs Nadal. Federer, simply not enough talent.
     
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    Yeah, that's why he got only 16 majors. That's very less compared to other players !
     
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  17. nadal_slam_king

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    Federer will need more than 16 majors to stay ahead of Nadal over the next 5 years. Federer, simply not talented enough.
     
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  18. Feather

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    So how many majors will Rafa win by the end of his career?
     
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  19. nadal_slam_king

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    Hard to put a limit on that, so I won't even try.
     
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    Nadal was brutalized by Djokovic in the Wimbledon final last year. Nadal played at his best level and still got smashed. LOL! Nadal broke Djokovic's serve and then got broken back twice in the 4th set. Djokovic allowed Nadal to win the 3rd set otherwise it would've been straights.
    Nadal's only hope is that another member of Djokovic's family dies right before they meet. That's the only way Nadal will win anything if Djokovic is on the other side of the net. Nadal can only beat a grieving Djokovic.
     
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    Fed is more talented than Nadal, so if he's not talented enough, how can Nadal be?
     
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  22. nadal_slam_king

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    All Federer did was copy the textbook. That is not easy to do, but the way Nadal revolutionized with the lasso forehand, the crazy topspin, the powerful backhand passing shot, is a more impressive show of talent. That is why I've never found Federer entertaining. I've seen it all before.
     
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    :)

    Reminds me of a classic post I read, either here or on MTF, "great, now people have to die so that Nadal can win a title".
     
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  24. Feather

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    So will he touch 50?
     
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  25. Magnus

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    The only thing Nadal revolutionized is how can you cheat on a tennis court. Nadal had more success and variety on this than anyone else, and he's clearly unbeatable in that department. Nadal didn't revoltionize anything else. He did, however, evolutionized the art of pushing.
     
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  26. nadal_slam_king

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    All I'm saying is I don't want to say a figure because I don't want to underestimate Nadal.
     
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  27. Mike Sams

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    Nadal won a title in a tournament which has been reduced in quality. Powerful players like Federer, Isner, and Del Potro didn't even bother showing up. And Nadal played a Djokovic who was supposed to be at his grandfather's funeral that same day.
     
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  28. namelessone

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    Could it be because all these three guys have played more tournaments(6,7 and 7) than Nadal or Djokovic(both 4 before MC) and needed their rest?

    And honestly, while I wasn't impressed with Nadal's play this week, I am having a tough time picturing these guys beating him on the molasses like clay of MC.
     
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  29. Feather

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    If my memory serves me right, was that you who said Rafa can beat Roger by winning just RG alone? I mean seven more RG titles. I am not sure whether it's you or nadalwon2012, someone said that. Any comments?
     
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  30. nadal_slam_king

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    Nah, just your imagination.
     
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  31. Feather

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    I am sorry if I accused you for something that you haven't said. But someone has said that. I am 100 % sure. I don't imagine that much :)
     
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    Federer is oh so close now...
     
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  33. nadal_slam_king

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    2 - Rafael Nadal Spain 9715
    3 - Roger Federer Switzerland 8880

    Yep, close to retirement.
     
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    Fed can pick up lots of points during the clay season. I think he should have played MC but it is his decision. I wouldn't be surprised if he is ranked #2 before RG.
     
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  35. nadal_slam_king

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    LOL that's a laugh.
     
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    No, he certainly can pick up points during clay season. You watch out. He is defending only 360 at Madrid and 90 at Rome. It won't be tough for him to reach SF in Madrid and he is certainly gonna move beyond second round at Rome. If he just reaches SF in both, which is not at all difficult, he is gonna pick up 270 more. And if he beats Rafa in Madrid, which is not at all impossible since he has done that before, that too in straight sets :wink:, you know he is gonna significantly improve his points.
     
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  37. nadal_slam_king

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    Nadal is picking up Rome and Madrid, done deal.
     
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    The chances of Fed beating Rafa in Madrid and Rome have never been smaller.

    Ie. he hasn't got a hope in hell. Stop being a ****.
     
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  39. NadalAgassi

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    Nadal is the one more likely to improve his points in the coming months than Federer as it is more likely Nadal wins any of Rome, Madrid, or Wimbledon, than Federer is to make the final of any of Rome, Madrid, Roland Garros, or Wimbledon.
     
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  40. monfed

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    Madrid isn't such a given. Just saying.
     
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  41. Feather

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    First of all, I have never said Fed will beat Rafa in both Madrid and Rome. I only said, if Roger beats Rafa in Madrid, he can improve points.

    Secondly, it's not given that Rafa will certainly win in Madrid. Rafa was straight setted twice in the last three finals there, once by Roger and the other time by Novak. Even last year, Roger lost in a three setter not straight sets to Rafa. Considering the last three years, there is a possibility of Roger winning against Rafa there.
     
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  42. Feather

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    You tend to forget that Rafa is defending 1200 points and Roger just 360 points at Wimbledon. If Roger makes it to the finals, he is gonna significantly improve points. On the other hand, if Rafa suffers a lose earlier, he will lose a lot. He is defending a lot of points while Roger is defending 1200 ONLY at Roland Garros. Roger has to worry about defending points only at RG while Rafa has to defend a lot of points at everywhere you mentioned.
     
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    I know your sky confidence is sky high after Rafa defeating a grieving half hearted Novak at MC. Enjoy your moments for few more days :)
     
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    I've been reading this forum for many years, and I've noted that early in 2008 the common belief was that Federer would dominate 2008. Nadal did with 2 slams and the gold.

    Then there was the common belief that Nadal would dominate 2009. Federer did, making all 4 slam finals and winning 2 of them - the channel slam.

    Then there was the common belief that Federer would continue on his merry way, with a sprinkling of Del Potro. Nadal made history with 3 consecutive slams.

    Then there was the common belief that Nadal would continue to dominate in 2011. Djokovic did, with 3 slams. And now Talk Tennis overall believes Djokovic will dominate 2012. Good luck with that :lol:
     
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  45. TJfederer16

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    What you on about never been smaller? The last time they played Fed thrashed him on a slow hardcourt which hasn't happened in a long time, so i think confidence wise he'll be pretty much as good as ever against Rafa considering he has won the last of 2 of 3 meetings, he'll certainly have a decent shot in Madrid, it will be very difficult in Rome but i fancy his chances if they meet in Madrid.
     
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    Mainly coming from you with your six slams in a row mantra :(
     
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  47. nadal_slam_king

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    Talk Tennis predicted by a heavy majority that Nadal would dominate 2011. An extreme minority said Djokovic would dominate (and I'm being kind by even calling them a minority). And a minority said Federer would dominate, certainly a bigger minority than the Djokovic minority.
     
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  48. Tennis_Hands

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    Oh, the multiple account members are getting more cautious. The use of the verb "reading" noted. Unfortunately, not very credible for a guy, who scored 2300 posts in less than 2 years.

    Wasn't you the one, who refused to predict how many Majors will Nadal win this year or until his career is done and, at the same time, predicting 32 Masters Tournaments at least? :roll: It seems you are sticking to what is absolutely sure and even then you are not capable of refraining from absurd claims.
     
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    You can clearly see Nadal is not in extreme decline here, however he has declined a bit, as is normal for every player and especially true for a player that wins mostly on outrunning and outlasting his opponents.

    Back on topic now. Federer still has a lot of chances to improve his ranking, but it depends on doing better at Wimbledon.
     
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    He once said Nadal would win 6 slams in a row.
     

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