38 more weeks-Can he do it?

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  1. Prisoner of Birth

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    I'm talking Tennis sustenance, not personal demons. As a human, I'd rather have a career-threatening knee-injury than be stabbed in my office. But, in terms of a Tennis career, rather have an injury, like a stabbing, that one could possibly come back from (however difficult that might be) than to be pushed out by a career-ending injury where you have no choice in the matter and have no hope of a comeback.
     
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    And you just take it as certainty what he writes in his book. Well, it can't affect him THAT much if he can still compete at this level, I mean damn he's won at least 1 major in the last 8 seasons, come on what are we talking about here?

    You know what a serious injury is? One that virtually ends your career. Safin in 2005. Kuerten in 2002. Hewitt in 2006. I don't recall Nadal considering retirement yet so this arguement is void.
     
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    I've already admitted that Graf's career probably did benefit from the stabbing. But why can't a career not benefit from a freak-incidence (Seles's stabbing) and still be the greatest career of all time? Just like a career can benefit from the regretful injuries of another player (Nadal) and still be the greatest of all time?
     
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    Once again, how can you compare Seles to Nadal?

    We talk so much about Nadal being "injured" in 2009 (his level of play decreased fo so) but the guy still reached the US open semis, failed to lose before the semis of the last 3 Masters of the year (something he's never done before) and never dropped out of the top 3. You're comparing these stats to Seles who DIDN'T PLAY A SINGLE TOUR MATCH. For 3 years.

    I mean seriously...
     
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  5. Prisoner of Birth

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    Only a ******* can insist on giving Nadal ZERO credit and presume everything Nadal says is a lie. Only a *******.
     
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    Don't be surprised.He does stretching before tournaments and matches, I remember once a journalist asked him something about his elasticity and etc. after he mentioned that he played exhibition match with Agassi in '06, just before Wimby, and Andre told him that he never did that in his career:)
     
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  7. Prisoner of Birth

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    Seles's injury took weeks to heal. Nadal's is likely permanent. The reason Seles didn't come back is purely psychological. She wasn't forced out of Tennis the way Nadal almost has been on several occasions now. I give Seles tons of credit for coming back, even if it was 3 years later. I find it pathetic that people like you can't give Nadal even half that credit for showing more heart than Seles ever did.
     
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    It's all a matter of opinion in the end. Would you call Serena the GOAT even though she's way behind in numbers?

    Glad we agree on something at least, though, as it's getting late here, gotta say never thought I'd have such a long arguement with a fellow *******.
     
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    I'm not a *******. Whatever you like to believe.

    Serena, right now, is far from being the GOAT, IMO. Falls short on atleast 3 of my GOAT criteria.
     
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    I'm only starting to believe him now when I don't see him in action. Everything else is just pure bull**t. You're SEVERELY injured = you're out of the game. And one more time take a look at Hewitt in 2006, Kuerten in 2002, Safin in 2005, Ancic a couple of times. I don't need to read well documented doctor's scripts to believe that they're actually injured cause I see it with my naked eye. Nadal has been a whiner ever since I remember. But again, I'm starting to believe him now when he's out of the game.
     
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    A matter of opinion. I don't have my WTA GOAT but here's hoping Serena wins another 5-7 majors so she can end the discussion once and for all.
     
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    This. What happened with Seles is terrible, but it happened. You can't deny Graff's greatness because of it.
     
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  13. Prisoner of Birth

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    Even if Serena won 7 more Slams, or 10 for that matter, I'd put Graf over her. Serena has not shown the necessary versatility, consistency, sustenance, peak-level-of-play, or brilliance that Graf has. I think only Navratilova compares and competes.
     
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    I'm inclined to agree with tennispro here simply because a stabbing, and bad knees from a grinding style of tennis are in fact totally different. Nadal has to play this way because if he doesn't he won't be half as successful, and I doubt he could totally reinvent himself now even if he wanted to anyway. I guess at the end of the day you have to be good enough to take advantage of these types of situations, so fair play to Graf and Federer for that.

    For example there's not really a law that says Federer had to win Wimbledon in 2009 just because Nadal didn't play. He could've, should've lost to Roddick, but he never. He won it because he was good enough to win it.

    Same deal with the French. Do I think Federer could've beaten Nadal at the French in 2009? Absolutely not, but it doesn't mean an asterix should be put by his win there. He proved his greatness and consistency with that win more than any other. If we look back at the alternative, and the matches he "should've" lost, he might not be arguably the "GOAT" today. In fact, he'd be labelled as a choker if he lost any of his matches after Nadal had lost, and very few people, if any, would debate that. I'll take a FO win with an imaginary asterix by it anyday.

    If we want to get into the asterix debate, I could just as easily say Nadal should have an asterix by his 2011 French Open win, but really he won it fair and square, just as Federer did.
     
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    While you said you were inclined to agree with tennis_pro, your post sounds like the person you agree most with is me :)
     
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    I guess in a sense I just kind of agreed with both of you.
     
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    Yes I just realized that now. Caught up in typing I guess.
     
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    I still get where tennispro is coming from though. With Nadal, you could tell he would have injury problems, thus that is not Federer's problem when he wins a major where Nadal is injured or doesn't play. With Seles, she was dominating, (3 slams two years in a row are Federer-like numbers regardless of the 1 slam years sandwiched in between them) and nobody could've predicted what would happen to her, regardless of whether or not she retired before she got stabbed, or she had bullfighting as one of her hobbies. Federer gets more credit because it is Nadal's fault he's injured whereas it is not Seles's fault she got stabbed. Seles getting stabbed was not Graf's problem either, but they are different cases. Also worth pointing out that Nadal had more problems than Federer on HC's.
     
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    Except that it's really not Nadal's fault he gets injured. His foot condition forced him to either wear those special shoes (which put extra pressure on the knees) or quit Tennis. He had already developed his playing style then so it wasn't realistic to reinvent himself. The rest is history.
     
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    38 more weeks....possible.
    78.....unlikely.
     
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  21. smoledman

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    Seles' stabbing was a minor physical injury, but a deep psychological wound. If Seles was made of sterner psychological stuff, she would have been back by the 1993 US Open and kicking ass.
     
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    Yeah, that's what I mean. She could've still been a challenge to Graf, however tough that might have been.
     
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    something I made goofing off today

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    Federer won't accomplish this.
     
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