4.5 hitting with D1 woman

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  1. Maximagq

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    But if I post videos of me losing to girls, then my ego gets hurt even more LOL
     
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    what level would you put yourself in USTA amateur league rating ?
     
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    Well played sir.
     
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  4. Maximagq

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    I consider myself a 5.0 player.
     
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    Very nice hitting - looks like a very good practice session.
     
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    I have actually lost to a lot of female players. I'm not embarrassed to admit it haha.
     
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    so If you played against Kristie Ahn, who would win ?
     
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    Kristie would destroy me like 6-1, 6-2. Harder than Di Giulio.
     
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    Yeah, I thought she was a big kid (kid to me, I'm as old as the 2 of you combined probably).

    How long have you been playing?
     
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    Why didn't you play a set?
     
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    I started played when I was 16, I'm 23 now, so it would've been 7 years but I had to take a year off when I was 22 due to plantar fasciatis that I got from running too much. Been playing again for 6 months and thanks to the break, I've been able to improve my form a lot on all of my strokes, I guess its easier to relearn stuff after you've taken a break.
     
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    does that mean Kristie Ahn would beat Di Giulio ? I know Kristie is powerful and all but.... I seen her play and I think I can take off about 4 games off her total in 3 set match.
     
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    She wanted to drill today to work on her topspin, plus like I said earlier in the thread most of my hitting partners only like to play sets so its nice to have someone who's willing to just hit for 2 hours straight. You hit a lot more balls drilling in 2 hours compared to playing sets for 2 hours.
     
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    She fears you....lol. afraid of humiliation of possibly losing to a 4.5 player..even though he is a boy
     
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    A soon-to-be WTA pro with a OHBH and hits with topspin? Blasphemy!
     
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    I think it is more like win-win as there is concious intention behind it. Simbiosis would be if they were both succesfully "paraciting" off of each other, with out either really caring for the others benefit, like the shark and those little "nasty" fish on its back :twisted:
     
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    does she have a wta point?

    how good is she?
     
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    Toledo is an alright school tennis wise (I go there) what did she play in the line up?
     
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    I think Di Giulio could beat her and she's good but I'm honestly not sure how I would do against her. I played Sabrina Santamaria 3 years ago and lost like 1-6, and then I played her again 2 years ago and the score was 2-3 on serve and she had to leave. So I'm just using that as an estimate.
     
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    Secret (no so really) of beating a top female is to take them out of their game.
    "Their" game is usually (except MartinaNavritilova) extended baseline play with fast flattish groundstrokes.
    So, pounding from the baseline is ..advantage female, since she's done it longer than you and I.
    Advantage male only comes into play with shorter points, wide serves, fast serves, low angle shots, and a variety of shots from the baseline, not just the same relatively "heavy" topspin shots.
    Hard to beat someone at their game.
    Possible to beat someone playing a game they don't see, don't like, and don't want to play.
     
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    "had to leave"? or perhaps, feared to stay? :twisted:
     
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    Hername eludes me ATM, but the last WTA champion with a OHBH that gave both Williams sisters fit, and was only 5'7" or less..decided to retire just after becoming no.1. She had a helluva OHBH that used the pace of her opponents to send it back with even MORE of her own!
     
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    One problem with 1hbh for most women is the fact their shoulder's can wear out.
    Given it takes 12 years of solid play to make WTA.
    That's a LOT of one shoulder hitting for any female.
    For guys, it's not quite as bad, since most guys are bigger, stronger, and the racket is lighter for their strength.
    Racket's of most WTA players not named Date is around mid 11 oz.
    Racket's of most ATP players around 12.5 oz.
    But the guys are MUCH bigger, wider, stronger, bigger muscles, yet the ball is the same weight, and often, the WTA ball is moving faster incoming than ATP balls, though with much less spin.
     
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    She had something planned, which sucked because I paid her $40 to hit with her....
     
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    What?
    You are a top high school player.
    SHE is only a SLIGHT bit possibly better than you, a 5.5 woman.
    Seems like you would both benefit from playing or hitting. She benefits by hitting LOTS of balls against a quicker than any female player (you, that's my idea of a compliment..:)). You benefit from a slightly flatter hitting opponent who hit's a faster than what you see ball.
    My idea of symbiosis. Not that either of you care, but you are both reaping benefits from hitting against each other.
    You deserve to hit with her, based on your speed and level of play.
     
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    Are you seriously saying that it would be competitive between a strong men's college player versus strong women's player?

    If you are losing to women 6-1 you might want to rethink your self rating a bit. I am not claiming that 5.0 is a great player but should be competitive with top women's college players at the bottom of the range and beating them easily at the top.
     
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    Gotta agree with the above.
    Most good 4.5 men can play equal to any D-1 top singles woman.
    I mentioned lots of A/Open women I hit with regularly, and I was a C player, then a B player. C is 3.5. B is 4.5.
     
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    Not sure if she has any points, can't google her because I don't have her last name haha. I don't think she has any points yet. Well as I said before she's pretty good, I rate her slightly better than the coaches daughter who is 1100 singles wta 800 doubles.
     
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    No idea what she played sorry
     
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    What was the offense/defense drill you were doing? I couldn't follow how it worked...short attention span.

    Does she have a WTA style forehand?
     
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    This was three years ago. I haven't played her since. There is a clear difference in the level that I am at now and then. Di Giulio would destroy Sabrina and Kristie but I am trying to give these women respect haha, and I don't think I can take them unless I actually play a match and see.
     
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    And I am intimidated when I play girls for some reason. It's kind of a mental thing, especially if they are cute LOL
     
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    3 years ago, you were 15-16, so probably not a singles player for your high school, maybe 3.5.
    You are a full level and a half better now, maybe more.
    Then, you hadn't even dated a girl yet, I'll bet.
    Stands to reason you were intimidated by playing against good women players.
     
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    I wasn't a 3.5 and I played number one varsity singles all 4 years at my HS.... I was probably a 3.5 when I was 11 or 12 but not after that. And yes I haven't dated a girl yet LOL
     
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    I'll post a new thread with me playing at 10 years old, I must have been 3.0
     
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    I stand corrected.
    No.1 for all 4 years is pretty good.
    Are you sure you have really progressed since 11th grade?
    In the high schools in SanFrancisco when I was involved, the top high school boys were easy B level, or 4.5, while the one girl who played No.1 for WashingtonHigh was A/Open in womens, or 5.5.
     
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    I lost to Sabrina 1-6 at the end of sophomore year so 10th grade, and yes I did get a lot better. My serve was a lot worse than it is now, which is saying something, and I didn't hit as hard. I always thought I moved well but I'm not really a huge guy so I was more of a grinder with a one handed backhand that people attacked when I was younger. Plus, I do get mentally tight a lot still, but I choked a lot back then.
     
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    One person stays in a corner and makes the other person run side to side. The running person hits back into same corner. After point ends, reverse rolls, repeat until tired.

    I don't know the difference between a WTA style and ATP style forehand but I think her forehand is similar to mine, so if I'm WTA so is she and vice-versa.
     
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    not so nice :mad:
     
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    Gotta agree w/ LeeD on that one. Last year I played the former #1 from Syracuse over the winter (her coach as a junior is now our club pro). I played OK, and won the 1st set 7-6, and was 3-4 on serve in the 2nd when we ran out of time.

    I played her a 2nd time two days later and beat her 2 & 2 (in her defense, she had a low blood-sugar issue at the time).

    By contrast, I also hit w/ a college grad two years ago who played @ Coastal Carolina (same thing as the girl: his old coach is our pro). He beat me in the 1st set 6-0 in ~ 15 minutes and I was dead tired. The 2nd set was 5-2, but I think he was experimenting at that point.
     
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    The level with the girls and women drops like a rock. Even in juniors. The difference between the top 5 USTA girls and even #15 can be night and day. This difference is not so big in the lower age groups, but by the 16s, its huge.

    Same with college women. The top ones are amazing. I saw Beatrice Capra destroy a D-1 guy in a practice match. The difference between a blue chip female recruit and a 4 star is usually huge.

    This is also why a guy may be able to beat a D-1 lady but get beat by a top G12-14. Girls mature early and a top national G12 can handle a mid D-1 college women easily.
     
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    You jump on your forehand. Are you imitating The Dog? :)
     
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    What's wrong with me, I'm agreeing with lots of guys lately.
    Yes, top G12 can hang solidly with most D-1 women.
    I saw it myself, hit with both, played doubles with both the 2nd day coming back from PuertoRico this Jan.
     
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    It's cool. I actually looked her up (it wasn't that hard, she was the only senior on the team the year she graduated) looks like she had a decent college career given that our womens team hasn't been that impressive until this year. It looks like you have one hell of a hitting partner. I've offered/asked to hit with some of the women players here before and they seem to think that hitting with a high 4.0-low 4.5 would be a waste of their time. Oh well, I guess.
     
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    Doubles, it's THEIR lost, no reflection on you.
    I''ve hit with many Open level and better women, mostly when I was still between C and B in player ratings. ALL asked me to hit. They needed practice against lefty serving first of all. They also needed practice against a fast mover.
    VERY few Open level women peers would really try in practice against a future competitor, so most Open level women need to practice against MEN. And men of about a full level lower than they are.
    That's the reality of getting good, finding good practice partners who are willing to practice the things you need, and willing to put out 100% effort.
     
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    LOL, Sabrina is a very very good player. You did really well to score 2-3. and Kristie is better than her but not by much. if they played they would go 3 sets most of the time. Sabrina is injured this year but she always play #1 singles for USC
     
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    Yes that would be a waste of their time. YOu have to be about high 4.5 and above to make it worth while for them. also doubles player that can't move is even worse.
     
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    Aww, it's cute how hard you're trying to upset me. But you'll have to troll a little harder than that, Fedace. Also, please use proper grammar in the future as reading what you write is painful.

    It doesn't bother me much, honestly. I can't make them want to hit with me, so there's that. One girl on the team actually practiced with the club for a while when she was debating whether or not to play varsity (managing pre-dentistry and school is difficult, I suppose). Anyway, I hit with her a few times and played tie breakers, and I can tell that I would give her some close sets for sure, with me winning my fair share of them. She plays in the doubles line up now, and I believe she plays in the lower singles line up on occasion.
     
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