4.5jumping to open in pursuit of 1glorious atp point

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  1. onehandbh

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    Congrats on your progress. All your hard work is paying off!
    You're still young enough that you can continue to
    improve your speed, athleticism and skill and eventually
    give yourself a reasonable chance at getting a couple
    ATP points. Just stay injury free.
    Do you have a video of your match against the
    Guy ranked 900 ish ATP?
     
  2. MarinaHighTennis

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    Hey yonex, I'm open to a thrashing Saturday mornings... and I expect a thrashing haha (i dont plan on getting a set but i do plan on being competitve) ;)
     
  3. yonexpurestorm

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    no, i wasnt able to get any video of the match. they put us on a court that had no good spot to put a camera, and i didnt have anyone with me that could hold the camera.

    hey marina, ya im down to hit one of these saturdays. this weekend ill be playing a tournament in santa ana so i probably wont have time. unless i get a late first round match maybe we could meet up and i could get a light warmup or something. but either way lets definitely plan on getting a few hitting sessions in the next couple of weekends.
     
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    Great Stuff! Really impressive that you got a couple of games of that 900 ATP player
     
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    Yonexpurestorm, who have you been able to practice with these recent days?
     
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    Agreed!

    P.S. To yonexpurestorm, keep chasing this goal. I'm sure they're many people like myself who are living vicariously through this "pursuit" of yours. Make it happen! :)
     
  7. MarinaHighTennis

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    Okay cool just facebook/text me :)
     
  8. West Coast Ace

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    Great job.

    As opposed to the other thread where someone is talking about getting 1 ranking pt - but never plays competitively (very telling) - at least you are playing better players and getting experience and some gauge of where your game sits, not just traveling around and talking about it.
     
  9. yonexpurestorm

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    just the some of the guys i have met in tournaments and other leagues along the way. most of the guys i hit with are very good and all have strengths that i can practice against. i try and mix it up with drills and sets. i feel that drilling and rallying are better ways to work on certain things, but you need to practice sets because during pressure situations all your practice will go out the window if you havent created the proper muscle memory.
     
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    Im playing in the santa ana open this weekend. there a definitely some good players due to the prize money being offered. i won my first match todayt 6-2 6-1. tomorrow i play against the 7 seed, reo asami. i hear he is a tough player and i will have my work cut out for me. i would really like to win this match because if i do i will most likely get a rematch against the guy who beat me in lakewood.

    the heat was crazy today and i had my poly strung at 60 and it still felt like a trampoline. ill be stringing another racquet tonight, and will probably bump up the tension a lb or 2. i wasnt very happy with my play today and was very inconsistent and not confident with my strokes. hopefully tomorrow my strokes will be feeling good and i can put up a win.

    http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/TournamentHome_New/Tournament.aspx?T=113833
     
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    Reo Asami did some stuff as a junior, looks like he won the Orange bowl in the 12s. That was a long time ago though...
     
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    Very late reply but since no similar I thought I would add my thought. I know nothing about turning pro except it takes lots of money and I have been to the US Open many times and have seen some doubles matches where the teams didn't seem better than 5.0. So doubles possible especially if you can help with expenses, maybe find a pro that would play with you. Singles no chance.
     
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    looks like i will be getting a rematch against the 980ish atp guy i lost to around a month ago.
    http://tennislink.usta.com/TOURNAMENTS/TournamentHome_New/Tournament.aspx?T=121481
    i am hoping to be able to get some vid of the match. i switched racquets recently and have been playing pretty solid. im hoping to bring my A game tomorrow and know i can pull out a win if i am firing on all cylinders.

    on another note, if any of you remember the guy i lost to 0-6 0-6 earlier this summer, i had a chance to play someone that beat him in a tournament match. i played the guy last weekend in the hb open, i still lost, but was able to make it close losing 3-6 4-6. the score doesnt seem as close, but it was only a break per set that made the difference. im getting better everyday and am hoping tomorrow some of my hard work pays off.
     
  14. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Good luck Jamison!!!

    If all else fails, one day you will be eligible for seniors tennis!
     
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    Looks like he beat you 6-2, 6-3, but that's not bad. I just looked at the guy's recent results and he's regularly winning tournaments and getting to the finals/semis/quarters of every event. Looks like you're coming along. Keep pushing.
     
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    Jeff Tarango is seeded EIGHTH? I wish I were down there to watch that tournament.
     
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    Let me get this right, you're a 4.5 player and you won four games off of a guy ranked 900? Hmmm, very interesting :twisted:

    In this age of bs inspiration and hope, you, my friend are worthy.
     
  18. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I don't think OP could be considered 4.5 anymore.

    for those who have followed his progress, he has worked REALLY HARD and come a VERY long way...
     
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    He is clearly way above 4.5 now. This truly shows that the difference between levels is not as great as people believe and can be overcome with commitment and effort. Very inspiring!
     
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    They're way better than 5.0. Those guys would be feeding bagels to almost everybody at a So Cal Open tournament.
     
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    Not everyone at every Q event is a 5.5 or better. Someone has to LOSE in the first round. Not all first round losers are 5.5's, or 6.0's, anyone can lose in the first round, but if you go to a few Q's, you will see some hard hitting 4.5's losing in the first rounds.
     
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    Oh, those 4.5's can be rated 5.5 for sure, but they played like crap, so 4.5.
     
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    i have worked very hard in the last year to improve my game. i would consider myself somewhere around a solid 5.0 now, but after 4.5 the ntrp rankings dont really apply anymore. what i have noticed is everyone has good strokes, serves and weapons they can attack with. what sets apart the people that are winning these tournaments compared to me is consistency, accuracy and defensive recovery. by consistency i dont mean pushing the ball. what i mean is when i was playing the 900ish guy i could rally and keep pace with him. my game was solid enough to bang cc's as hard and fast as him. the difference is that i would make the first error or give the first short sitter around 75% of the time. when it comes to accuracy i can hit near the lines pretty well. my main weapon is my ts fh that i can accurately hit, but against this guy he could smash and inside in fh dtl with amazing accuracy. many times he would nail a shot next to the line with pace and spin that i would not expect because i dont get to play players like this very much if at all. lastly, defensive recovery is awesome with these guys. normally i will hit a deep shot that i expect a winner or a short ball for winner, but the top players can extend and whip some pace on the ball back cc for a very nice recovery shot putting them back in a neutral position for the point.

    ive realized it is hard for me to succeed in these tournaments because i dont get to practice against these type of players regularly. when i lost in the hb open the guy had a crazy serve. probably one of the fastest i have dealt with. i felt i adjusted well, but its hard to win when it is the first time your seeing something like this. this also happened with the guy i lost to in redondo beach. i am not used to seeing a shot with so much pace just dive in at the last second and kick up on me so hard. players like this take games to adjust to and by that time its too late. the match i lost in redondo i lost the first set 2-6 with a few breaks, but once i was in second i was feeling more comfortable and only lost 3-6 because i let him break me which was the difference. and that break game was at duece to add and back to duece at least 3 times. with every loss i am getting better and learn what i need to work on. i dont see me getting that point anytime soon, but i actually do feel it could be possible now. if i improve as much as i did this last year next year, i might have a shot at going deep in one of these pre-qualies. the only problem would be getting time off work for all the mid-week daytime matches.
     
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    I've seen Ventre play quite a few times and that guy is a stud. OP has to have made some serious improvements to his game to make it some what competitive. I congratulate you on your hard work, effort, and progress! Keep kickin' a55! :)

    -Jon
     
  25. rajah84

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    I was going over this thread and noticed my comment there and was thinking to myself how confusing the later part sounded. I was meant to emphasize that this guy IS an inspiration. So often we're told how anyone can do anything which most of us know is crap, but if you have some skill and a with a little determination and hard work, results like the ones this is guy is putting forth are possible.

    Add me to the short list of people who think he can get an ATP point. If you keep improving and do all the things you have to do -and you know what they are- and get lucky with the draw, yes I think it's very possible.
     
  26. Inner Game

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    If you really want a ATP point hire some Pro and be his doubles partner in some obscure event in Hungary...LOL
     
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    i think you have missed the point.
     
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    I"m pretty sure OP knows the shortcuts, cheat tactics, and flim flam ways to win 3 rounds of a Q.
    However, he wants to experience the journey as well as the destination, and playing it straight up is the full journey.
     
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    3 futures coming up in SoCal in Sept. Try to get into the quallies and let er rip.
     
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    Looks like youre improving alot yonex! Im excited because tomorrow im getting another shot at my first atp point, and i think i have a darn good shot, so we'll see!
     
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    Great job making the draw Tony. And i see you play another qualifier.

    Best of luck to you. I see my buddy Sekou is in the draw. Hopefully you guys will meet, which would mean a semi!
     
  32. Inner Game

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    I get it....but lets face it this is recreational tennis...not even D 1 college level. Everything is relative in tennis as in life...
    Sure I commend the guy for trying to improve...That's great...that is what tennis should be about....improvement and raising your game to the highest level you can given your skill sets.

    I hope he achieves his goals...

    But just like in life...everyone has equal opportunity but everyone is not equal...and recreational tennis is recreational tennis...and I'm betting 99.8 % of the BM's have never competed at a level above 4.5....
    Just enjoy the game.

    For what is worth
     
  33. tenniscasey

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    You're completely missing the point of this thread.
     
  34. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    InnerGame, you do realise our man is competing at Open level and has already had matches against ATP ranked opposition?

    I don't think dismissing it as 'recreational tennis' is remotely accurate.

    in fact, what does that even mean? When one of my former pupils is home from college in the states and we have a hit, is that 'recreational tennis'? He plays number 2 singles at a Texas DII school and I have a national open ranking, but there is nothing riding on it except for who buys the beer.

    Yonex is trying to achieve something cool, and he moves ever closer to it, snide remarks about 'recreational tennis' miss the point by a very long way
     
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    Open level doesn't equate to professional levels in most cases.

    But, yeah I apologize for not reading this post in depth..it's on me.

    Good Luck...
     
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    no worries inner game. i actually do agree with you that i am playing tennis recreationally. i dont plan on going pro and making a living from tennis. i do it strictly because it is fun for me. and playing at the highest level i can makes it even more enjoyable. i guess you could say i play tennis recreationally in a very competetive environment. a lot of the guys in these tournaments are like me, but most of them are college players, guys that tried the tour, coaches, juniors and ex college players. sometimes its crazy to see the level of play that shows up at these tournaments. this last tournament i played the winner received somewhere around $ 2000, and the guy i lost to 2-6 3-6 lost in the final to an ex UCLA player. while i do play strictly for fun, i do think most of these other guys would think differently.

    for me, i did probably set an unattainable goal to get a point. i know it will probably not happen, but i do have mini goals along the way that i mark off as i go. the point is not to game the system to get a point in iran or something. even though if i am ever in iran or asia and have a chance to enter a tournament im sure i would, but the point is to improve my game to the highest level possible and thought it would be interesting to document my progress on TT. im turning 28 this year and figure i have a few more good years to improve before my body wont allow it anymore. just look at Tony Larson, a few years ago he was playing for fun and now has a chance at getting a point today. guys like that prove that perserverance is key for success.
     
  37. Inner Game

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    As long as you have foot speed you can play (at the local open levels) into your mid 40's but once you lose a step or 2....time to concentrate on doubles. I have been a USPTA Pro since 1980 so I have played hundreds of matches against nationally ranked and some world ranked players hovering in the 300-500 range...
    At your age if you have the desire and skill you will start to learn how to win...once you learn how to win...tennis becomes a lot easier. I think all of us in the beginning even if we had better strokes lost to lessor skilled players. But like I said once you learn how to win and how it feels to win you will set yourself for about a decade of winning 90% of your matches.
    Good luck keep us posted..
     
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    It's impressive to me...I took off from the game for 10 years before finding it again in my late 30's and have progressed from 4.0 to 4.5 and occasionally beating 5.0's and earning respect from ex-college players, which is pretty cool.
    Wish I hadn't taken off so long and really dedicated myself to it earlier.

    Jamison has many years of really high quality singles tennis in him and has made remarkable progress through hard work, honest self-evaluation, and a belief in himself. As someone who is never satisfied with staying static, I can appreciate that very much.
    I'm on injured reserve now due to a couple of herniated discs and missing the game terribly. It's a setback, but I can't wait to get back out there and will continue to check out Jamison's progress.
     
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    I havent had much good news to report do to lack of practice during sept. i havent been playing my best lately and it has been showing in my latest results. I recently moved and have been really busy at work which has effected my practice time. I also havent been able to eat as healthy as i would like and i can feel it makeing me more sluggish on the courts.

    however, the little bit of good news i have is that i am in the quarter finals of my most recent open tournament and play this sat. my next match is against a college Sr that plays for UCLA. from what i read online it looks like he plays at #5 singles i think. i am hoping to bring my A game and at least create a chance for me to sneak a win.
     
  40. TennisCJC

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    Yonex, that are a lot worse things you could be doing. Have fun and wishing you the best.
     
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    Life is the best when you get the chance to persue your dream. That's all we can ask for in life, the CHANCE.
    Keep up the hard work, and remember to use the WHOLE court.
     
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    Why the def?
     
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    made a dumb mistake and looked at the schedule wrong. i saw my match was at 2pm and automatically thought it was on saturday for some reason. it was actually scheduled for friday at 2. the tournament director called me at 2:15, but i was at work and had to default. it sux, but there is nothing i can do about it now. now im focusing on my next tournement in november which has a really good draw. i dont know why, but it looks like steve johnson is signed up.
     
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    Sorry that happenned, J, but that's the job of your coach. He's supposed to smooth the way, remind you, make sure you're fed and watered, get you to the event on time, and keep your energy up.
    I know, you're surmounting your obstacle by yourself.
     
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    i havent had any tournaments or otherwise good news to post for the past month, but this weekend i was able to put together some decent wins. i played in the la habra tennis center open in the open division and 4.5 division for singles. there was very good competition since first place open received $ 1800 and 4.5 first place received $ 400. in the open division i won my first round, but ended up losing 2 and 3 to the one seed in qualifying. i was happy with my play, but realize my stamina is not quite there yet. the kid i lost to was in one of those camps where they play tennis all day and then get tutored. my game is on par with these guys, but i cannot keep the intensity going without getting gassed. so there is plenty more work to do.

    on a better note i took down the 4.5 division without dropping a set and taking the final 0 and 0. i had actually lost to the guy i beat in the final before so i know i am improving. the prize money was the largest ive seen for a tournament so the competition was pretty good, even for 4.5. in the semis i had to go through the #1 4.5 tournament player in so cal.

    lastly, in my 6.0 ultimate tennis league i made the playoffs again, but lost in a close match 4-6 6-7 in the first round of the playoffs. i am making improvements, but as anyone around my skill level knows improvements are not linear. my next tournament is next weekend and i will be playing only open singles. then i am going to train all december and prepare for 2013 and hopefully i can put together some good wins.
     
  46. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Well done Jamison! :)

    You can't understate the 4.5 tournament win, those guys can be plenty tough, just not with the big game. You really have to BEAT them 'cos they won't just roll over and beat themselves..

    Fitness!!! :)
     
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    Very nice to win money. La Habra Open loser in the finals Novikov had an ATP ranking 556. Very tough tourneys. Congrats.
     
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    that Novikov guy was on the court next to me and during changeovers i was able to catch some points. the guy had one of the biggest serves i had ever seen. this kid was trying to return the ball and was just whiffing completely. its crazy how solid these players are as you continue up the tennis food chain.
     
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    Just a few questions for you Yonex if you don't mind.
    I have noticed that you mention a few of your opponent's serve to be very good and unbelievable.
    How big is the difference between their serves and yours before you ventured on this journey when you were a 4.5? What level was your serve at during this your 4.5 level of play?
    How much of a difference does exercise, fitness and diet actually matter?
    Thanks in advance and I apologize if these questions have been answered before.
    Good luck!
     
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    yonex,
    your passion for tennis and improving is remarkable.
    I completely respect your goal...
    I too am trying to get that 1 ATP point, however, my goal is to get it in doubles. If I succeed in singles, that will just be a bonus.
    Earlier this year I would consider myself a solid 4.5 player, now I would like to think I am an average 5.0 singles and doubles player (at least in the atlanta area).
    I will be 24 before the end of the year, so my singles time is running short, however doubles has many many years before I even peak.
    What do you suggest as far as starting the process of tournaments?
    I currently play USTA, ALTA (atlanta league) and Ultimate Tennis (flex league).

    I plan on trying to enter some ITF tournaments by the end of spring/start of summer, any suggestions on how to go about that?
     

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