$48.88 for USTA Singles!

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Craig Sheppard, May 11, 2007.

  1. tennis-n-sc

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    May I offer my apology and quickly admit my error of statement. In talking with our local tournament committee, there is indeed a sanctioning fee paid to the district(USTA) that varies with the tournament but may be between $70-$100, and usually a head count fee of $1 - $3. I was also told that some of the very well sponsered tourneys can make a tidy little sum and should be lowering the fees if they have strong sponsership.
     
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  2. JLyon

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    I know we had to pay a $25 Tournament Sanction fee in AR, but am not sure on head fee (I have a probablem with this fee since USTA does none of the work).
     
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  3. soyizgood

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    I paid $36 for the tournament I'm playing next week (3.5 level). It's $52 for the Men's open singles, but then again there's $2000 prize for that winner. And it's a 3 day weekend tournament.

    The tournament I signed up for has to be organized by some dumb folks. The only levels for prize money are at the 4.5/5.5/open levels. And they wouldn't allow for people to sign up for more than one singles division. So folks are mostly going to sign up for the money competitions, leaving other divisions with little to no competitors.

    I should have signed up for 4.0. With one more day to register, there's only ONE person signed up and he's on my local team. Instead I signed up for 3.5 where there's only 7 people in it. 27ppl for 4.5, 23ppl for open, and just ONE for 4.0!!!
     
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  4. Roforot

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    I only have experience w/ local/Austin tournies, so it was inappropriate for me to speak in generalized terms about Texas tournaments. It sounds petty but I swear that last time, I did not smell a whiff of pizza, nor I did receive the usual shirt, just a rag of a towel. Do you have to make it to the semi-finals for the pizza/beer? Do you have to be "in" w/ the coordinator?

    At any rate, my friend's dubs partner was injured so I'm helping him out. And I need tournament experience/match toughness. I've signed up for the Memorial weekend tournament ($33 for singles/$33 for first dubs/28 for each subsequent). I'm sure I'll have a good time.
    I'm doubtful for the WACO tournament; I'll kind of have to be dragged up there if some friends are going.
     
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  5. Jack the Hack

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    Just my 2 cents...

    I've been playing tournaments since my junior days in the mid-80s. Up until about 4-5 years ago, it was rare to see a tournament fee that was more than $20 per event. Usually, you would get a break if you signed up for doubles as well as singles. And finally, you almost always got a t-shirt.

    In the past 3 years, I've played in 34 tournaments (mostly sanctioned Open, Age Group, or NTRP). Based on the receipts I have available (which includes almost all of them), the average sign up fee for singles was about $27.41 and doubles was about $19.71. The lowest entry for singles was $15 for a non-sanctioned event (which provided a t-shirt, trophies, and consolation rounds) and the highest (so far) was $41.35 for a sanctioned NTRP tournament that had no t-shirts, no trophies (winner got a racquet of their choice from the pro-shop), and no consolations.

    While the fees have definitely escalated, it seems to me that tournaments have gotten worse as far as the goodies go. Of the 34 events I've played, only 8 have given out t-shirts to all participants... and some of trophies have either been very small or they have given lame prizes (like a wine glass, tote bag, or towel) to the winners. 12 of those events didn't even offer consolation matches (including the two most expensive ones), although the more expensive tournaments usually did have prize money for the finalists.
     
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  6. J011yroger

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    I played the final of a mens open last weekend. So after the match we are standing there looking at the tournament director, and the guy who beat me says. "Do you guys have any food or anything? What do I win?" And the tournament director is just standing there. He says "There are some bagels left over from this morning".

    Nothing, not a T-Shirt, not a trophy, not a whiff of food or drink.

    The other tournament I was runner up in, I got a tiny plaque. 4 others I went out in the semis or quarters, and got zero. I got one lame white silkscreened T-Shirt for playing the U.S. Indoor Nationals, a Cat I National open, and it is so cheezy looking I wouldn't use it to wax my car.

    So far I have probably spent $400-$500 on entry fees in 07, and have not gotten anything in the food or goodie department.

    So you are talking about a $50 entry fee, average $100 in string depending on how far I go.

    The only things that make it worthwhile are the people I meet, the ranking I get, and the occasional kid who comes up and asks if I am Jollyroger from the boards.

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  7. CrocodileRock

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    You've got something better, Jolly

    Jolly, I would trade all of my t-shirts, towels, and cheap plastic trophies for your ability to play competitively in the open divisions:)
     
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  8. waves2ya

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    Way to go JR - hope I run into ya one of these days; you sound like alright people...

    But you certainly put chasing any of these tourny's around in perspective.
     
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  9. Roforot

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    I'm glad I'm not alone in this feeling. Before I played tennis years ago, I went w/ friends to watch them play and it was a great environment, much like OldGuysRule depicts. There was a lot of joviality and cammaderie. I remember wanting to be part of it; though I was a student, who was just picking up a racquet, and had neither time nor money to participate. Flash forward to now, and what's left for you are cold bagels?
    I love tennis and want it to suceed and grow in this country. The way it's being managed by the USTA (at least locally here) makes me angry. They should be promoting tournaments to keep active players happy and to attract new players! Yes I know I could spend $5 and go to CiCi's all you can eat pizza buffet afterwards, but the point is that the USTA is raising prices, trying to nickle and dime us, and not putting out a better product or trying to improve the state of the sport!

    J, you have a good attitude towards this. I'm glad you're still getting something out of it!
     
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  10. JLyon

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    Played Doubles in a tournament this past weekend (results: I sucked) paid $28 for 3 matches Round Robin. Got a T-shirt and the TD provided beer keg and snacks for all participants. Chip runs a great tournament unlike many others. Also had nice engraved plates for 1st-3rd
     
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  11. Supracool94

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    Who is Rickson?

    I was going to enter this tournament, but the cost of the entry fee, gas, and room was to much.
     
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    DUDE PLAY THE TOURNAMENT!!!
    it's experience, take advantage of any tournament near you.
    EVEN IF IT COSTS 50.00!
     
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  13. drakulie

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    I just played a tourney this weekend. There were several levels of play including men/women singles, and doubles, as well as open, 35's, 45's, etc.

    Anyway, there was prize money for every category, including the winners of the consolation in singles and doubles. Throughout the tournament they provided bagels/chips, etc for breakfast and bottled water for all the players throughout the tournament. Every player also received a t-shirt.

    Not bad. I do agree with jo11y, that the best part of the tourney was meeting and hanging out with everyone.
     
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  14. pow

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    No!! Walmart is more like $4.88 (much cheaper!!)
     
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  15. smiley74

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    My upcoming tournament is a NTRP 3.0 and 4.0. I'm playing 3.0 singles and it cost me $43.50 to enter. I played this tournament already early in year for doubles but it was $28 and change (for doubles...and that's each player). It is Indoors on 4 courts. There was no food, t-shirt, etc. They just gave you a can of balls and told you what court to go too. That was it!

    It was my first USTA tournament so, for some reason, I thought it would be more "fancy"! LOL

    It is a singles elimination tournament with no consolation matches and no prize money.

    BTW- I'm in New England.

    Most 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 tournaments here only have 1 or 2 matches to decide the tournament. I think it is because the price is very high and people can play USTA League or whatever League a lot cheaper. :-(
     
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  16. duketennisgal

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    I'm playing in one this weekend and the entry fee was $48 for one event, an additional $28 for the second event and so on. The tourney is single elimination, no consolation and they aren't doing round robins for the smaller events. Because of this I can only afford to play in one event, there's only 4 teams in the event and no round robin so the most matches I will get will be two, if we lose in the first round we are done. For $48 you should get more than that.

    Imagine the money the clubs are making though, the tourney I'm playing in has almost 300 entrants, the majority seem to be playing several events.

    On top of that the tournament has a ton of sponsors so think about the amount of money they are making over one weekend!

    It's getting to the point where I might have to quit playing tournaments, I really don't want to but I just don't see how I can justify the cost. I already have to spend the night in hotels whenever I go because there really aren't many touraments close to me. So with hotel, food and then the tourament I'm looking at a couple hundred dollars each time.

    I know I'm not alone, not all tennis players are really wealthy people, unfortunately it's starting to get to the point where the wealthy are the only ones that will be able to play the tournaments.
     
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  17. boilerfan

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    I tried reading through this thread to see if there was a resolution, but it didn't look like there was.

    I talked to someone running the tournament afterwards and they mentioned that the price included singles and doubles I believe. I mentioned how nobody I knew was playing this tourney because of the price and she said something about the price being similar to how they price some junior events, where it includes multiple events.

    I mentioned that adults don't understand that method and she said that they realized that after it got posted. They lost of lot of players last year because of the pricing. I don't remember everything from last year, but it was something like $48.88 if you played singles and doubles and like $28 if you only played doubles.
     
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  18. paulmaben

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    anyone here who actually runs a tournament and can chime in on the costs of a weekend event and why they have to charge so much?
    I run a few community tournaments and get local sponsors who chip in $500 for each tournament. We charge $10 for singles $20 for doubles. Trophies to winners/runners up. Microfiber towels or hats to all entrants. Round robins for small draws. We had 35 entries for each tourney and barely broke even. If I was collecting a director fee the tourney wouldn't go. I'd love to offer shirts but here is the challenge. You need 3 weeks in advance to get your shirts printed. A shirt is about 7-8 bucks. You can't undershoot and if you overshoot, you've got to eat those shirts!.
     
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  19. paulmaben

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    anyone here who actually runs a tournament and can chime in on the costs of a weekend event and why they have to charge so much?
    I run a few community tournaments and get local sponsors who chip in $500 for each tournament. We charge $10 for singles $20 for doubles. Trophies to winners/runners up. Microfiber towels or hats to all entrants. Round robins for small draws. We had 35 entries for each tourney and barely broke even. If I was collecting a director fee the tourney wouldn't go. I'd love to offer shirts but here is the challenge. You need 3 weeks in advance to get your shirts printed. A shirt is about 7-8 bucks. You can't undershoot and if you overshoot, you've got to eat those shirts!.
     
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  20. JHBKLYN

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    I got tired of the $60/$70.38 (what's with the .38 cents?) fee for singles tournaments with the one and you're done deal that I'm currently running my own tournament with prize money. :)
     
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  21. J011yroger

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    ^^^ At Alley Pond???

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  22. SteveI

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    Face it, The USTA is a top-heavy, do nothing, take your cash and run organization. They still can't figure out why we (USA) are getting out butts kicked all over the world. Our junior programs are a mess and not getting better. The USTA is not helping tennis in the US.. they are making it harder to play organized tennis. BTW.. NOTE to USTA.. I do not care what your BS stats are telling you. Tennis is not growing in the US.. maybe worldwide.. but not here
     
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  23. ledor

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    So. California tournaments for singles cost about 33-37 bucks. Don't know how you can survive at $100 bucks per month to join a quality tennis club, but i guess it's a rich person's sport.
     
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  24. goober

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    Well you don't have to belong to a private club to play tennis. I know a lot of good players 4.0-5.0 that play public courts and local leagues that spend very little per month.
     
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  25. Roforot

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    This is why I get very frustrated and angry w/ the USTA.
    I wish they ran their programs better and were more forceful in putting out a good product. I realize that clubs/tournies are free to charge whatever they feel is worth, but the USTA should not endorse or sanction a crummy cheap ass tournament.

    BTW, I refuse to enter or play any tournies that do not guarantee 2 matches.
     
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  26. goober

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    Preaching to the choir. :) This tourney director upped his tourney fees to $39 and with the USTA processing fee it would have been $42 which is high for this area considering he gives out- no trophies, no t-shirts, and has crummy courts. His "food" consists of putting out a bowl of stale potato chips and pretzels. His start times are often at 5-6 pm which working people have a very difficult time making with traffic and he will not budge on them. All this for possibility of playing one match. So his sign up this year was very low. In desperation he is calling people left and right to get them to sign up. I told him straight up his tourney is over priced and not only that it is one of the worst tourneys in the area. There was a very awkward silence before he hung up:)

    In contrast some nonUSTA tourneys charge $15 and are 10 times better- trophies, t shirts, better courts, water and food. True the USTA doesn' t determine what the tourneys charge, but many TD think because it is "USTA sanctioned" they can double the price.
     
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  27. zapvor

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    wow....thanks for posting this. you guys should have told me before i signed up haha. hopefully the USTA will get their act together.....someday.
     
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  28. goober

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    actually that was a rant about a specific TD and a specific tourney. There are some good USTA tourneys no doubt. I still think that in general they overcharge for them which is why the USTA is losing ground in some parts of the country. There are now many competing leagues in my area where you can form teams, just play singles or play doubles for a much lower price. Tourneys use to be USTA stronghold but even that is changing I see as many tennis centers are running their own tourneys.
     
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  29. Rob_C

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    In Vegas, for the Opens they like charging $55-60 for singles, and then they wonder why the events are always cancelled for lack of entrants.
     
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  30. equinox

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    It's now $50 AUS dollars to enter national ranking singles event. A $5 tax goes straight to the tennis association to pay for the staffers holidays.
     
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  31. 10sjunkie

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    I also played in this tournament and have for the past several years. You did not mention that the entry fee also included a t-shirt (and a few other giveaways), dinner on Friday night, breakfast, lunch and dinner on Saturday, breakfast and lunch on Sunday, beer and wine all weekend, bottled water and Powerade, a band on Saturday evening, and nice prizes for the winners and finalists. The courts are swept between every match, matches are usually on-time and Mike does a fantastic job running the event. The people are great (I've made several friends) and the matches are fun and competitive. Yes, this is a single-elimination event, and at first glance the price looks outrageously expensive, but it is worth every penny. I gladly make the 3+ hour trip for this event.

    Compare this to our local tourneys...rising entry fees, cold pizza on Saturday afternoon, no drinks, cheap trophies and playing the same people over and over again. I'd rather go back to MB!
     
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  32. duketennisgal

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    Mike did not do a very good job running the actual tennis portion of this event. Because he was actually playing in the tournament himself when a problem arose there was nobody of authority to figure out how to fix the situation and therefore people had to sit around for a couple of hours waiting for him to come off the court.

    I didn't mention the other things b/c I didn't know about them in advance. All the extras were fantastic, I agree, although a bunch of drunk idiots playing beer pong and making crude comments while little kids are running around is not my idea of a great tournament.
     
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    Sorry you had a bad experience. Fortunately, I didn't run into any of these problems and had a great time. I'm looking forward to their tourney in September. You ought to give it another try. I'd suggest playing more than 1 event, though. I did the 1 and done my first year. Not as much fun to sit around and watch tennis as it is to play.
     
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  34. Djokovicfan4life

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    Haha, that 12 cents would REALLY be unreasonable!
     
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  35. duketennisgal

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    I wasn't the only person, as I was at the tournament desk waiting for an explanation and telling the person that it was 4:00 and I had been waiting since 12 another lady came up and said she had been waiting to play since 10 am, she got on the court about 7:00 that night, I didn't get on until after 8:30.

    The reason I tried this tourney was b/c my friend played the state closed one in the fall and he loved it, I can't play that one though b/c I'm an NC resident.

    I will probably give it another try, I really didn't have another event I could play b/c nobody signed up for the 4.5 singles, maybe next time I'll have better luck.
     
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  36. 10sjunkie

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    Try the tourney in the fall. I think it is at the end of September. There usually aren't as many people signed up for that one, but it still has all of the bells and whistles. The only delay I had in any of my matches was my 8 AM match. It was delayed as the courts were soft from the rain the previous night and we had to wait for them to dry. With so many people in the tournament, I can see how that would start backing up courts throughout the day. I guess that is the only positive for early morning matches!
     
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  37. Drona

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    Hi,
    I live in Austin now w/ just a rare trip back to SLC. However, I've heard that the tournaments in San Antonio are much better to play? This is in terms of friendliness, organization, and food/socializing.
    I think they actually have a player's night or party even w/ pizza?

    Does anyone have any comments or feedback? I've played one tournament in Austin last year and had fun. I think they had powerbars and banana the first day.
     
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  38. Hank Hill

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    Drona - Have you not had good experience of tennis tournaments in Austin? I'm moving back there this year and that is disappointing to hear.
     
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  39. zapvor

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    ok. but i think thats ageneral rule of thumb....or not. i dont know
     
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  40. Drona

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    Well, Hank Hill, my experience was limited to one tournament last year.
    I faced some good fair opponents and didn't have any complaints about the matches, but there wasn't much for the socializing aspect..

    It may be that I did not know the right people? On the other hand, in previous tournaments (5-6 years ago) I remember having a mixer night. I think they had beer even (I didn't drink back then) and pizza. They also had their teaching pros play a practice set and then invited people to play. Someone told me the San Antonio tournaments were run like this. Also for those who care I think San Antonio offers more points.

    Good luck on your move. I will say that Austin is great for tennis. Half the time the courts are booked on the weekends. There are 2 leagues (USTA and Austin Tennis League) and on top of this there is a great tennis ladder (really well organized) for singles and doubles.
     
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  41. JHBKLYN

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    I encourage players to schedule matches with one another but I get court time at National Tennis Center and Queens College so I can get my 3 cameras rolling. We can do Alley Pond also but NTC and Queens College are much closer and more convenient. I think Alley Pond's bubble will be coming down soon if they haven't already.
     
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  42. J011yroger

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    Cool, I thought you were one of the pros at alley pond.

    We should get out and hit one of these days.

    I have a friend who plays for Queens, and she said I have to come and check out the courts there. She says that they are lightning fast.

    J
     
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  43. Fay

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    The few tournaments that I have played on clay in Sedona and on hard in Phoenix have been very positive experiences. Some were USTA and some were not. Not cheap but not over-priced either. It is sad to read that people are not playing tournaments for various reasons!
     
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  44. hewitt20

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    I have paid that much but only in prize money tornys
     
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  45. DangerDan

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    After reading this thread it appears that no one from the USTA Mid W or my own District S.E. Michigan has chimed in.

    So here I go! First I'm extremely jealous of other parts of the country such as Texas, FL, SC & NC. Your variety of trnmnt divisions & entry fees are great & seem like a bargain by comparision.

    Here in SE MI most of the tournaments are for JR's. Jr. Trnmnt Fee's last year seemed to be the $48.88 area +/-, this year most are $55 - $60 even $75.00. Prices like this even in the summer, often outdoors & (if at an indoor facility the're dead this time of year anyway), are crazy! With Detroit's economy I wouldn't be surprised it participation is way down this summer.

    We have a 17 yr old son whose been a ranked player since the 12's. This year he's really working on his ranking with an eye toward a college scholarship. So he'll be chasing points and experience hopefully by making it to the later rounds & playing some of the best players in our area. Since he'll be playing as many tournaments as he can handle for the rest of the year we're probably going to invest around $2500.00 in tournaments this year. Just for him, Ouch!

    Not to mention the Father/Son, Mens doubles that I want to play with him before he goes off to college. Of course there's very few of those available in our area. You guys in "Tennis States" seem to have one every weekend within a 100 miles or so.

    As far as freebies, most of the time he receives nothing, when he does get a T-Shirt it's at an outdoor summer tournament and thats not universal. As far as food, there's only one tournament we've ever played with fruit/bagels/snacks, one we travel 225 miles to and play FS & Mens Dbls in for the past 3 years.

    What we need are more non-sanctioned trnmnts. There are a just a few tournaments I'm aware of in our area, they cost a more reasonable $20 -$25.

    Unles your a Jr chasing a ranking, I think there needs to be more alternatives to expensive USTA sanctioned tournaments in our area. In our district unlike some others we can't even list a non-sanctioned tournament on tennislink. Maybe there's some other web based solution to get the word out & take registrations w/o the high USTA fees.

    I don't care that much about food, T-shirts, towels etc. (beer does sound good though I've never seen that at trnmnt:D) I'd just like some good friendly competition with out the crazy high costs. More divisions would be nice, ie NTRP, Husband-Wife, PC, FS, MD, 100 combined etc. Might also get more people playing.

    Prize money? Haven't seen that in our area for maybe decades? Can't imagine competing for $$$.

    Maybe I'll have to team up with some public courts and offer my own tournament.:confused:
     
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    Danger Dan, tell me about it. I recently moved up to Northern Kentucky from South-Eastern Kentucky and changed from the Kentucky District/Southern Section to the Ohio Valley District/Mid-West Section. And let me tell you, I totally agree with you. There is ONE NTRP tournament this year that is close to me (and not even my division is offered). The others are 3 hours away, and that is in my own district! The ******* section doesn't rank players in NTRP either. That's a bummer. I am having to drive an hour and a half to 2 hours to play in NTRP tournaments in Central Kentucky in the Kentucky District because none are offered up here and we are even right next to Cincinnati! It's a shame. This summer, I am going to play tournaments offered by a Community Tennis Association. It is family oriented, they offer 16 tournaments throughout the summer in 7 cities, and they charge 15 for singles and 10 for doubles. Can't beat that!
     
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    Jo11yroger you should check out the tournament in Yale in the summer, if you win the Open you get a wildcard to the Pilot Pen. The atmsphere is great and the field is pretty deep. You will have fun there.
     
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    Sweet! A road trip and an asskicking all in one shot!

    I don't usually check the new england tourneys preferring to stay in eastern/National, but that for sure sounds like fun. What month is it in so I can look it up on tennislink?

    J
     
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    This year I think it runs around July 10 to 13. You get to play on the same courts for the Pilot Pen.I really think you should give it a try, good environment, good players and New Haven's not that bad either lol. I play in the 4.0s so if you sign maybe I will see you there. Who know's maybe you will win the whole thing and make it to the main draw of the Pilot Pen. BTW depending on the size of the draw the men's open doesnt usually start til Friday.
     
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    I can totally picture playing out of my mind for the whole week of the tournament getting into the pilot pen, and getting bageled by james blake in 17 minutes in the first round on tv.

    J
     

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