5.0 Male Player vs Date Krumm

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  1. The Meat

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    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=402412

    13.5oz(385g), I believe that was also the same weight as Sampras's stick. Not something that most women would play with nowadays. One of the last wielders of heavy racquets in the modern game for women. :(
     
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  2. LeeD

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    ATP 800, someone like ClintThompson when he was still playing, could easily double bagel any current 5.0, and probably shut Date down to 2 or 3's if he cared to try.
    Using a 400 gram racket doesn't make her better than her ranking. 75 in the WTA.
     
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    Exactly LeeD, believe what you want. Please make me believe that my 6 yrs old can beat her too, relatively speaking. Geez!
     
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    How would a 5.0 fare against a top male Junior... Double bagels again. If lucky would get 2 points in a row.

    This is the level we're talking about. A 5.0 is no where near the pro ATPs that can beat 100 ranked WTA players... They're not even the same species...

    On court with Date-Krumm a 5.0 simply wouldn't exist.
     
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  5. The Meat

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    LeeD gives us all hope that we can one day beat Date Krumm :)
     
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    Relinquis is 100% correct - a 5.0 simply wouldn't exist on court against Date-Krumm. Nice to hear another voice of reason.
     
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    When she is 85
     
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    The Meat - you mean the imagination we could beat her. By the way, love your avatar. I love that show.
     
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    I miss Doakes, he made Dexter awesome with all of his hilarious lines....:cry:
     
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    Well, I agree with you guys, if your idea of 5.0 is like those posted here on TW of those 5.0 guys in Texas.
    Date would bagel them.
    But that is not my idea of a 5.0. A 5.0, to me, is a rising 19 year old, trains full time, on his way to singles Div1, and has played competitive tennis for 10+ years.
     
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    Ands works at Dairy Queen?
     
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    OK, you stumped me.
    Most of you guys don't seem to think a 5.0 adult male is a very good tennis player. OK.
    My thinking is, a 5.0 male tennis player can be an old fart, slow and weak hitting, very consistent, no big shots, no real winners, and typical baseline rightie.
    BUT, a 5.0 can also be an athletic lefty with a big serve, who's on his way to playing 5.5 tourneys and going several rounds, can volley really well, and NOT fall into the trap of baseline consistent play, which GROOVES the baseliners to hit better groundies.
    And for sure, first meeting ever, the 5.0 get's beat. After maybe 25 hitting sessions, the intimidation goes away, the 5.0 loosens up, hits his shots that work against MALE 5-5.5's, and can win sometimes, lose most times, but every match is close.
    YOU guys pick the worse of the 5.0's.
    I already conceded the breadsticks to the worst, and 2-3's to the middling, but a good 5.0 is another story.
     
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    I have missed out in the last few seasons but as you know every Friday night I have been catching them all, even the early seasons that I seen before. Just like you, Doakes was the bomb. Well, outta go - GO FEDERER!!!! Oh hey, I think I can beat Federer and Nadal put together since I am a tournament rated 4.5 LOL!
     
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    If you're a solid 4.5 male, you can compete on even footing with 5.5 females.
    A 5.0 male will thrash you. So he'd compete evenly with a 6.0 female.
    Date is #75 in the WTA, not top 5.
    And to hint a 4.5 can beat Fed/Nadal, maybe you're right, if Nad plays rightie and Fed plays leftie, and you tie them together.
     
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    Date Krumm isn't a run of the mill WTA... Also, unlike some WTAs, she doesn't rely on a big serve to be competitive. She plays real tennis and has a complete game.

    It doesn't matter how much you polish a 5.0 rec player, he's still a rec player and would be double bageled by a top junior.
     
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    LeeD, it is all good. somewhere love is around.
     
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    Lots and lots of talk from guys who NEVER have hit with A/Open or better female players.
    So far, only Timbo and I have hit with that level of women players, as 5.0's.
    I speculate I would have been a 5.0 because I won a big draw C or 3.5, and consistently went more than two rounds in most of the A/Opens I played in.
    You can call me a 4.5, because I never officially entered any 4.5 tourneys.
     
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    LeeD, if a 5.0 can beat Date-Krumm then I "know" I can beat Federer or Nadal. You are a trip.
     
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    I"M a trip?
    Did I ever say ANY and EVERY 5.0 can beat a top 100 WTA, or did I qualify it to specifics, and concede that MOST 5.0's would lose 2-3's or breadsticks?
    Can you read at the 3rd grade level?
    Are you better than a 5.0? I suspect you're another 3.5, like most on here...which is where I lay.
    If you're claiming better than Fed, you must be a 8.0, or better.
    And you say I am on a trip?
     
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    OH, for all your newbies on here, which seem to predominate in disagreeing with LeeD, it's a consensus here that Serena would have a good match with a solid 5.5 player.
    Kamiko is nowhere near Serena level.
     
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    You claimed some or a few 5.0 can beat or even compete against her. I contend no way; not even close regardless of have often they hit, 25 times or more. Its ridiculous but its clear you believe it such - good for you. I don't think a true 3.5 like you would believe such a thing so maybe you are a beginner and never seen in person a pro tennis match. I used to hit with Bettina Bunge a few years after she retired and her game was too much to handle. Man, you are tripping out.
     
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    Tripping....
    I loved the way BettinaBunge looked, and played, of course.
    I've been hitting partners with PeanutLouie, her older sis Marcie, have hit with IllanaKloss, Rosie (that mostly doubles play), CeciMartinez, several A/Open women in the SanFrancisco area, and several women singles players for UCBerkeley.
    I might be a 3.5 singles player NOW, but I'm 64. I was not always 64 years old.
    Currently playing twice weekly with a couple of NorCal top 10 ranked 12 and 14 year olds.
    Your post # reflects your knowledge of the other poster's on here.
     
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    I've played with a female player who has played at IW within the last 10 years. Got a couple games, but lost pretty solidly. And she was no where near a top #100 pro. I've seen some young 5.0's that would give a WTA pro at least some serious exercise.
     
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    See post #41.
     
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    Yes, something we can agree on. Bettina had a beautiful game as well as a true natural beauty which most of the time I caught myself simply staring at her and to my embarassment, she noticed a few times. I also loved her german accent. I too am older, 50, but used to be an usta rated 5.0 but age slows everyone down and with two bouts of defeating cancer well ... Anyway, I have seen a few of your videos and I must say you have a nice game. I do hope to compete as well as you do when I am in my 60's I hit regularly with the great JackB1, I think we all know that character, and I am sure he can attest to my ability or lack of. I wonder what racquet he is on now???
     
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  26. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    what time is it?
     
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  27. Relinquis

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    5.0 is just that, 5.0

    i don't see how slicing and dicing 5.0 into separate levels makes sense when we're comparing them to a different species. not just any wta, but a top wta like date-krumm. we're talking a best of three match, not a serve contest.

    Question:
    how would a 5.0 fare against a top junior (male)? How would a top junior fare against Date-Krumm?
     
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    1. Depends what you mean by 'top junior (male)' A 16 year old on a path to college tennis (but not there yet) is probably a good match up for a 5.0.

    However, someone good enough to bypass that route on the way to a pro career (Felip Peliwo, for example) would be far too much for a 5.0 to handle

    2.someone like Felip Peliwo or Luke Saville should be able to beat her handily

    although there were some media reports of Sharapova hitting with some of the top Australian boys (who mostly made the Q/F or better at the AO juniors this year) and hammering them..

    mind you, they are 16 - 18 year old boys, they may have been, ahem, 'distracted'
     
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    I'm thinking someone ranked top 30-50 in the world (ITF boys), not a superstar like Peliwo or Saville, but not just a kid trying to get a college scholarship.

    I think that kind of player would destroy a 5.0, but not too sure about the result against Date-Krumm.

    But we're going off on a tangent here due to my question (apologies)...

    If a 5.0 can beat Date-Krumm (who has a winning 1-0 head to head record against Maria Sharapova), then there really is no point in watching WTA, or using them as examples of world class tennis.
     
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    there is just no way in the world any 5.0 can beat Date-Krumm, it is a silly premise in the first place
     
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    Lee - Something wrong with your keyboard's space bar? :)
     
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    I was curious because watching some of the TW playtesters like Troy,Chris & Mike who have solid games and who they would fear against Date Krumm.
     
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    I( a 4.0) have hit with and played mixed against a women who played at Wimbledon in the 70s, she kills us in mixed. Her shots are textbook perfect and land exactly where she wants them too and she never made it much beyond the top 100. There is an open player in my area who won several 10,000$ prize money events( non sanctioned) he is a regular hitting partner for one of the new American girls when she is in town, she kills him and I don't believe that she has broken into the top 100 yet. This open player hits a hard heavy ball with great placement and he can't hang with a relatively low ranked pro woman. Everyone who thinks that a 5.0 has a prayer against a top 100 pro is delusional.
     
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  35. Relinquis

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    Date-Krumm could straight set a 5.0 while talking on one of her numerous mobile phones...

    She'd need the hands-free though as she has a double handed backhand... Henin wouldn't even need the hands-free, i think she has fewer phones as well...

    [​IMG]
     
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    good one - here is how it goes

    Hello!
    Moshi Moshi (while she double bagels the 5.0)
    Sayonara !
     
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    LeeD, I am rated 5.0, recently got bumped back up after appealing down to 4.5.

    I recently played a 32yr old former NCAA #1/UCLA #1/WTA #750 who wouldn't get a game off Date Krumm. I had a very hard time winning 76,62. I was getting pushed around off the ground. My best win ever is off former UCSB #1, who still plays / coaches regularly and is close to 30 years old.

    I might be able to get a game off Komiko if my serve was on fire, but i learned a lot about playing high level females. They can ball.
     
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    Given the extent of sandbagging, there are probably 5.0 rated men players who would beat her. But the general 5.0 is not going to have much of a shot against a woman 7.0.

    People need to remember that the professional women tend to practice against men who are better than 5.0, so these women are going to be completely unimpressed.
     
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    I don't think any true non sandbagging 5.0 can hang off the ground with her. Tournament 5.0 player gets bageled, a usta league 5.0 gets like 2-3 games a set. Go watch a top pro man or woman they hit 50 decent non attackable (to a 5.0) rally balls in row during warmups.
     
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    The top 4.5 male in Queens could go toe to toe with her. He had a 10-0 record last year. I project he would win in 3 sets.
     
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    GraniteChief...
    You self admitted to LOWER 5.0, since you appealed for 4.5, right?
    You are old and slow, compared to 20 years ago.
    You DO have a big flat serve, but most women practice against that using men as partners.
    A top level, rising young 5.0 might breadstick you, and give Date a tough match.
     
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    Elena Baltachas trains at the academy I work at and our best academy players wouldn't beat her, they may get a few games but it wouldn't be close. Our current performance coach who is a lta 2.1 could beat her well though
     
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    How many times has Elena Baltachas beaten Maria Sharapova? Date Krumm has done so... That's the level we're talking about... not just a WTA.
     
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    Kimiko is #75 in the WTA.
     
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    Yes I'm older and slower than 20 years ago, but I've also beaten a #1 DI player within the last year so i'm definitely not a bottom of the barrel 5.0 and I think you don't really have a firm grasp on the levels.
     
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    You might be correct, I don't have a firm grasp on the levels.
    Been playing with a couple of 12's and 14's NorCal top 10 juniors. Nowhere near my level, and I suck.
    Last time I played a singles set with a UCBerk Varsity singles woman was 2 years ago. Close, 7-5 loss for me.
    Last time I played with the then No.2 singles for Harvaard, bagel and heading towards another when thankfully, a doubles pair showed up.
    Aba was considerably better, lightyears I'd say.
     
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    And if you recently appealed to drop down to 4.5, why would you not consider your win against this Div1 No.1 ?.
     
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    I know a nationally ranked 40 yr old working person but he plays a lot . He's maybe higher than a 5.0 without a big serve that plays a WTA player ranked in the 40's almost even and took some games from Wozniacki.,,He doesn't like big heavy topspin so Date Krumm's ball would not bother him...But he is just as fast as her.....it is possible depending on the styles
     
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    I know a guy that won 3.5 Nationals that got a Donnay elite player discount. He is more like a low end 4.0 though. Top tier 3.5.
     
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    To actually win 3.5 nationals, you have to be about a 5.0. Maybe not a rising 5.0 who's actually a 6.0 and could be a top 100 WTA player, but if you're not a sandbagging 5.0, you're definitely not winning 3.5 nationals.
     

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