5.0 Male Player vs Date Krumm

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  1. Fuji

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    I want to come down to the states so badly, and be 2.0 National Champ. I have a feeling I would choke and lose in the first round of playoffs however. The pressure would be too much for me to sandbag my team to victory. :(

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  2. JoelDali

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    When my team won districts I had like 25 4.0 and 3.5 league guys watching my last match and I felt like I had come around full circle with my game and the years away from the Tour and ATP were a good thing for me. When I was a 7.0 I just wanted to get bumped back down to 4.5 and be a regular guy. The pressure of maintaining the 7.0 rating was insanity slash epic. I also couldn't deal with the pressure or the travel or the constant dope testing during my 'experimental' days. Glad to be back at 4.5.
     
  3. Fuji

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    I can't even understand the pressure you must have felt. You must have had the Golden Eagle of Sexxi Rog to protect you.

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  4. Relinquis

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    what is this "rising" nonsense?

    5.0 is 5.0... a very good recreational player, but still ultimately a hobbyist... would get schooled by Date-Krumm... badly.
     
  5. maggmaster

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    I don't understand why people need to think that they or any other hobby player can beat a professional who does nothing but train, eat and sleep. These girls aren't housewives going to the club to hit the ball around, they are trained to play tennis at the highest level that their physicality allows. Unless you are able to blow them away with superior firepower, they will beat virtually any male player( Save some rare talents like Fabrice Santoro) A 5.0 just doesn't have the firepower. There may be some rare exceptions of mis-rated players but not a lot.
     
  6. Red Sunset

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    Agreed...............
     
  7. Fuji

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    I concur good sir!

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  8. arche3

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    Agreed. Leed thinks he could beat wta pro when he was younger so he perpetuates this myth. I don't even think leed was ever a 5.0.
     
  9. slowfox

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    These kinds of threads always pop up, like the McEnroe vs 5.0 from last year. Sigh... I don't get it. Date-Krumm played in a grand slam recently (at 42 yrs of age) AND won a match in the main draw. She's good obviously.

    5.0s? Glorified hackers.
     
  10. LeeD

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    Arche3, I used to think you were one of the guys who could understand what they read.
    Read.... I claim 4.5 during my playing days. Yes, I played a bunch of A/Opens, but knew I had no chance to go 5 rounds or make the finals.
    I also said I made finals of first tourney, WON the next tourney, a big draw (128) C tourney, making me eligible for play at 4.5 levels.
    Now, the next thing. Having 7.0 women, and some 5.5's as practice partners, I did have some experience in the subject. That's more experience than ANY of you guys out there who nay say.
    I never said I could beat a WTA player, as I was really in the lowest of the low for Open tourneys. They guys who kept on progressing, when they were at my level, certainly COULD. Some of them went on to become solid singles level 5.5's the year after playing in 4.5's.
    We already established a top level Div1 player, what you call 6.0, or what I call top level 5.5, can give Serena a run for her money.
    Kimiko is #75 in WTA, not #4.
     
  11. JoelDali

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    I saw a teaching pro today who was a solid 4.75 and he was actually teaching using LeeD Methodology.

    Don't laff at LeeD, people are starting to recognize his strategizations and impregnating them on the courts.
     
  12. luvforty

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    Lee. It's been established that arche has reading comprehension challenges
     
  13. arche3

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    After all you've written I can't keep track. All I remember is you say you went few rounds in top level. So I'm assuming you claim tennis greatness.
     
  14. arche3

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    Just stop the trolling. Where are your little pictures and stuff?
     
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    Ok, just to clarify, since I never know with your posts. Are you saying that those 14 top 10 NorCal juniors are nowhere near your level because they are lower level compared to you? Or that because they are higher level.
     
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    I know for a fact that several of the wealthy Top 10 Eastern Juniors consistently seek out sage mystic 3.5 Internet Tennis Rabbis for training.
     
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  18. Red Sunset

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    LeeD claims greatness in many things, not just tennis. He's like one of those joke auditions on American Idol. They actually believe they can sing. When the experts tell them they can't- it's the whole world who's wrong.
     
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    Many years ago, a friend of mine played Louise Plemming who was WTA player ranked about 150 in the world at the time. My friend was in his late 20s and had just completed his coaching qualifications. His family owned the tennis club that I learned to play at. He would have been around 5.0. It was friendly 'practice' match, but he couldn't make a dent in her game. From what I can remember the score was 6-1 or 6-0 to her and she didn't even look like she was trying. He came off the court saying everything she hit was deeper, more awkward, more angled and that she used the whole court more than anyone he played against before, as well as being to read everything he did.

    So I'd say a 5.0 against a top WTA pro doesn't have much of a chance. The only exception I can think of is if he had a huge (and I mean huge) S&V game, in which case, he probably wouldn't be a 5.0.
     
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    So, after 119 posts we are in violent agreement that she would crush a 5.0. Apart from LeeD who is convinced she might struggle against a 5.0 who is actually a 6.0.
     
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    She's as fit as a fiddle...hits a lovely bal, uses every part of the court, and has a ton of game intelligence.....
     
  22. Red Sunset

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    Hahaha. Well said.
     
  23. AtomicForehand

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    Pisses me off how women have to actually be twice as good as men to be thought half as good. Sexism runs deep.
     
  24. LeeD

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    Red Sunset, you're just a newbie...
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  25. luvforty

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    actually - i think in this country women have it easy.
     
  26. NoobWannabe

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    5.0 is not all that...
     
  27. AtomicForehand

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    You would be wrong.
     
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    Coming from Asia, i think he is right....
     
  29. AtomicForehand

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    You would also be wrong.

    There may be places where sexism is even worse than in the United States. Doesn't mean it isn't bad in the United States. As this thread (and so many others on this forum) shows very clearly.
     
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    He never said in the US was good. Sometimes people need to be less sensitive to analyze what other said before judging. And sexism runs both ways not just against women.
     
  31. Red Sunset

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    I rest my case.
     
  32. luvforty

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    you would be wrong - look where the consensus is right now.
     
  33. AtomicForehand

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    What consensus? About whether women "have it easy in this country"?

    Or whether a male 5.0 would be superior to Date?
     
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    5.0 v Date - by definition people have 100 IQ points do reach the right conclusion on trivial questions like this one.

    on the 'have it easy' part - the going overboard on the political correctness on this country has already swung the pendulum too far.... women are treated as minorities and given special favor.
     
  35. AtomicForehand

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    You have no clue.
     
  36. luvforty

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    also... in tennis... equal prize money is sexism against men... mind you.
     
  37. luvforty

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    what... you waving the white flag so fast?
     
  38. thejackal

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    at the rogers cup last year, I practiced with a wta pro who played doubles a lot with date a couple of years ago. note that my role consisted of standing around like a pylon and poach once in a while my friend and her dubs partner rallied crosscourt. got my racket on maybe 2 or 3 balls in the span of 15 minutes

    a 5.0 with a big serve can get a game or two per set if he serves great, but that's about it.
     
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    Can anyone post video of an actual 5.0? Preferably court level so we can compare.

    I don't know if there is any court level video of Date-Krumm around, but that would make things clearer.
     
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    Date has $3.12 million in prize money.
    Not bad. I would actually enjoy getting smoked by her.
     
  41. Red Sunset

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    Well, Mark Boone (tw playtester) is 5.0. Look up a review and see if you think he'd beat Kamiko. Don't think view is court level though.
     
  42. Relinquis

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    No chance...
     
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    I don't think so. 2 levels is a lot.

    I would say a man is 1-1.5 levels above a women.

    that means a male 6.0 beats her probably easily, a 5.5 will be a close match. however I'm sure that there is some major sandbagger 5.0 who could beat her.

    Isn't the ranking also dependent on the region? i would think that a 5.0 from alaska were you can only play 3 months a year and there are not many players to begin with is a lot weaker than a 5.0 from california.
     
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    the sand bagging part is a fallacy..

    get an ATP pro to wear skirt and sand bag as a WTA player, will the sandbagging 5.0 have a chance?

    very silly, right?

    so is bringing a sandbag 5.0 into the argument.
     
  45. Relinquis

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    what's the point of watching wta if some hobbyist from orange country can trounce Date-Krumm*?

    Thoughts?


    * the current no. 75th ranked women in world, who holds a winning 1-0 head to head against Maria Sharapova.
     
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    This guy is young but a strong 5.0 at best, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYp4SXxz-3U
     
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    Someone beat me to it. Domijan is most likely a 6.0. So you were only off by 1 level.

    There is some serious sand-bagging in the ntrp. The worst offenders are probably the ex-Division 1 players (i.e., 5.5s) who play in the 4.5s.

    In any case, these troll threads are good at getting people upset. Someone should start a thread asking if a winning men's 4.5 could straight set Wozniacki.
     
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    So more accurately he's either a rising 6.5 or lower level 7.0. So the original poster was only off by 1.5 to 2 levels. Good enough for government work.:twisted:

    Now let's get back to the important question. Could a rising 4.5 take Wozniaki in three sets? Did you see her moonball in the semi-finals?
     

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