5.0 Male Player vs Date Krumm

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  1. Avles

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    Well maybe he's not quite that good!--though NTRP seems to get kind of fuzzy (and pointless) up that high.

    Actually I think the really important question is this one.

    Not sure why "rec player vs. female pro" is such a forum mainstay...

    Edit-- Here's another example . There's an interesting article on page 2 of that thread about a 5.5 playing a top 30 WTA player back in 1979.
     
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    back to your question, 4.5 vs. Caroline depends on how well 4.5s can deal with moonballs ;)

    i kid, i think the 4.5 would lose pretty badly. Now, back to JRB's thoughtful post...
     
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    That looks about right to me.

    If you told them to play full out, don't worry about winning or losing, I suspect you'd see the quality of the good points go up a bit, but you'd also see more UFEs.
     
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    if I ever get the chance to play a full set against a WTA pro, I ll make sure to video it and post it here. might happen some time this summer
     
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    How are you going to approach it (if it happens)? Swing free and go for it (i.e. nothing to lose), or play more within yourself?
     
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    play the same way as against D1 and ATP players Ive hit with:
    hit lines with the serve. not sure about the rest. prolly wouldnt matter
     
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    if you get your serve broken start moonballing pretty badly... if it worked for caroline, it should work for you!
     
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    Don't think that would work too well unless you are already the master moonballer, winning open tourneys with that style.

    When i played the former NCAA #1, I was so nervous that i might lose to a girl with everyone watching that it took me way out of my rhythm and i was playing like crap and still won a TB first (2) and ran away with 2nd. .

    I think it would be much easier mentally to play a girl who had won millions of dollars playing tennis, because I could swing out without worrying about losing. No one who knows whats up would be expecting a 5.0 to win that match so there would be less pressure. Therefore, i might be able to snag a game or two if i had a really good rhythm on the serve.
     
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    Could a top tier 3.0 singles specialist beat a Nationals 3.5 doubles finalist?
     
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    Could a wheelchair olympic gold medalist beat an able bodied 3.5?
     
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    So many delusional MFs.
     
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    He has no chance in hell.
     
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    Go to the us open qualy rounds week before main draw. See lower ranked wta pros play. Go to an men's usta open or 5.0 match. Watch them play. Then post the answer. The wta women hit harder and are faster plus more consistent than any 5.0 male.

    Regardless of the silly rising falling idea.
     
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    I know you're joking, but I'll give my 2cents in on this.

    Every week, I play with an NCAA Div 1 Wheelchair player, who played number 1 singles, along with ITF events such as futures and challengers. Dude is really good.

    Normally we have competitive sets with us splitting them 4 & 4 / 3 & 3. I can take on 5.0's on a good day. Just to put it in perspective. :)

    -Fuji
     
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    Played best out of 5 tb's with JoelDali's favorite 4.5 blobber and took my low level 4.0 game up a notch to take 2-0 lead but 4.5 game was just too strong. The epitome of this was at 1-4 in 5th tb, facing a second serve I ripped a d3o-loaded forehand inside out and the cobbler stuck out his basalt-free ncode 6.1 95 (18x20) and flicked a wicked onehander sharp angle off the court as I yelled "get out of here" in utter disbelieve as it was just out of reach.

    After the match, my trainer from the Jolleteri Academy said I couldn't enjoy my customary post-match McDonald's shake so I cried a little driving home on the parkway until when I arrived home and opened the refrigerator to see the remainder of the GOATest banana cream pie. I ate half of it. I think I have diabetes.
     
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    Fuji, that's awesome. I'd love to see a video of that.

    The NTRP self-rate guidelines I linked to above say that world class wheelchair players are around 4.5, so that sounds about right.
     
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    Yes I think Chris or Spence could take games, if not sets of Date Krumm, and I'm sure beat her on a given day. Nothing against the "pros", but yes after watching the moonballs and lack of attacking winners, a very very good 5.0 could give Date Krumm and a lot of the WTA competition. period.
     
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    LoL

    10 Rec players.
     
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    A 5.0 is a 5.0. A "very very good" 5.0 makes no sense.
     
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    Can a 3.5 beat Patrick McEnroe if PMAC uses a wood racquet? I think so.
     
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    We have a very strong 5.0 at our club and a WTA player who trains there when she comes into town. I think they train together some, I will ask him his thoughts.
     
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    I'm surprised this didn't get more attention but I've not seen anyone subsequently mention it.

    A 60+ year old self-confessed 3.5 singles player getting 5 points, much less 5 games, from a D1 varsity woman is worth discussing.
     
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    So you played The Immortal V who wields the Ncode?

    He would destroy Date!

    Most top tier Eastern 4.5 males could beat most top 20 WTA players.
     
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    LeeD is an Epic Tennis Warrior high on Basalt Crystals.
     
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    I did notice, and was too shocked to say anything.
     
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    Can Fedor, if he came out of his MMA retirement, straight set a wheel chair Olympic gold medalist?
     
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    Again, it's 6.0's sandbagging at 5.0 that would be competition. I think that much is clear.
     
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    I really want to get video of hitting as well! (He makes my strokes look way better then they are! ;) )

    It makes sense in the fact that he can rally with 5.5 players since the serve is taken out of the equation. Serving is very very difficult from the angle he has to hit from, which makes his serve slower then an average 5.0 player. That being said, his serve is so ridiculously heavy off the bounce with clean contact, he does ace me every once in a while!

    -Fuji
     
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    Yeah, the big girls. Date-Krumm is tiny. What do you think her 2nd serve speed is? I think a real 5.0 would have a shot at breaking her every game. And I'm assuming his serve would have quite a bit of speed and spin; she'd get most of them back, but not with a lot on it, so he should be in good shape starting the point.

    No one ever says whether said match would be played in front of a huge crowd or not. 5.0 would fold up like a tent - or refuse to come out of the locker room if there was a big crowd.
     
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    5.0 would be soundly thrashed. 5.5 a small chance. 6.0 a good chance. 6.5 a strong favorite to win. 7.0 same as 5.0 but in reverse.

    A savvy vet of the pro circuit has an answer to whatever a 5.0 has to offer. Amateur "stars" have nothing on the pros.
     
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    A double-leg takedown would be a breeze, eh?
     
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    Remember that LeeD has 5.0 shots but is only restricted by his 3.0 mobility on hot summer days, resulting in a mean ranking of 3.5.

    Needless to say, it was clearly scorching out that day.
     
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    Yeah, it's heck trying to hit a serious ball, and find you can't plant the backfoot on forehands, and can't plant the frontfoot on backhands.
    Worse, coming to net, can't drive off the backfoot for forehand volleys.
    Lucky me, overheads and serves aren't affected too badly.
    Being a gimp is not the best way to play sports. It affects every sport, from snowboarding (backfoot) to windsurfing (can't land big jumps), to tennis, of course.
    Had a relaxed couple of sets with a 14 year old who just lost breadsticks to the national #22 16 year old girl. Lots of fun rallies, and fortunately, it was doubles so my acreage needing cover was about 3 sq feet.....:):) or one step, either of us.
     
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    There's a quadruple amputee with 5.0 shots that plays as a ringer for Metro 2.5 team.
     
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    Date-Krumm destroys the WTA 'big hitters' regularly and she doesn't resort to pushing either. Check out this video, she can generate her own pace quite easily and has no issues dealing with strong shots.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzJ9WVcIJlI

    Also, note her aggressive playing style and they way she works the angles.

    She has a leading head to head 1-0 against Sharapova. Your 5.0 boy would struggle to hold serve and would struggle to win points against hers. He'd be schooled.
     
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    Imagine 2 5.0s -VS- Williams Sisters.

    Epic LoL.
     
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    well, I did ask LeeD to clarify what he means by '14's NorCal top 10 juniors being nowhere near his level' - but he never responded. That is at least as puzzling as him getting 5 games off D1 varsity woman.
     
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    Someone needs to post the obligatory Uncle Rico pic *at this point* in the thread.

    I'm in the middle of a frenzied Basalt orgy with 6 Applebee's hostesses so I hope someone else out there can do it.

    Thanks.

    *when Internet Tennis Players exaggerate far beyond the tastiest epic fail sandwiches*
     
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    Very simple. A open level player top 100 is roughly is 6.5+.
    And usually women's rating is men's -1. So she is at least 5.5+. An average 5.0 player would have a very hard time beating 5.5+. He would have a chance under an extreme upset, but i won't bet on it. She will also have the mental edge. And a bonus on men vs women matches. Men cares too much about losing to a woman, even if she is a pro.
    Date is going downhill being 43 and all. But at least she is still top 100 and expect to beat people with ranking outside of 150-200 with ease (?).
     
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    Anybody notice she doesn't really use her non hitting arm on her fh?
     
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    Thanks for posting that video. Match stats are here.
     
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    As well sharopiva hits harder and is more consistent than 5.0 men. How anyone thinks if date krumm can actually beat sharipova and is still competitive with wta that a 5.0 man who does not train fulltime can beat someone who's job is to win on the tennis court is insane.
     
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    why do you have to use it if it's non-hitting?
     
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    It's true and the opposite is also true. The most able often downplay their abilities.
     
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    Is this a troll or do you really not know?
     

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