70 Nasty vs 80 Becker

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  1. kiki

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    Well, what an interesting match up¡¡¡

    Becker wins 2-1 on grass and 3-0 on hard, while Nasty wins 3-0 on clay and 2-1 indoors.But in spite of Nastase´s best distribution of titles, I still pick BB for his Wimbledon wins.Both stayed one year as number one, and while I consider Ilie to be the most complete of both, he didn´t have the huge firepower of the german.

    And now it is 2-2 in the interdecade´s competition
     
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    Of course, the mental side would be determinant in the final outcome, since both could beat the other.Becker was more solid and tough there, that is the ultimate reason why I picked him to win on the long run.
     
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    i can´t imagine Boris with a wooden racquet.
    he wasn´t too far removed from that era
    In 85 i believe there where still some players with wooden racquets competing in Wimbledon
    i don´t believe he would have been that successful with a maxply
     
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    treblings, me neither.He was one of the pioneers in racket changes.But I tend to equalize those factors and play with a rather neutral situation,
     
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    I agree it is a colorful and intriguing match up. I always felt these two were worth grafting into a superplayer who would beat borg, mac, connors, lendl, wilander and edberg.

    Looks like you are saying they play three matches on each surface?

    My totally unfounded numbers:
    Now, i do not see boris losing indoors, his best surface. But i agree with your assessment that Boris wins twice, and nasty might get one.
    On grass, i think we have becker's achilles heel. He really only loses to guys who chase things down well and can drop volley (Edberg, stich and sampras). the '72 forest hills champion's footspeed and drop volleys would be too tough for the big man. Ilie takes one of the matches. Becker's massive serve and return game gets the better of ilie twice.

    So far it is 4-2 for becker.

    Clay, like you said, nastase winning all three times in long, physical battles.

    Right now, in my book it is 5-4 nastase.

    Hard courts would be the mystery. becker's movement is less of a liability here, and nastase's variety will be muted here. I am thinking boris wins two and goes up six to five.

    in the deciding twelfth match, what if boris sees a fine sister or two in the crowd? What if ilie comments on boris' choice in women? Or makes fun of his coughs and his overall appearance? What if they walk by a crystal ball on the change of ends, depicting their future midsections? Nasty might handle this crystal ball better, so i am betting Ilie (everybody's favorite, slightly racist uncle) takes one on hard courts against everyone's favorite drunk uncle, in a match our grandchildren will cringe at for decades.
     
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    i think you need to equalize that, otherwise the modern technology is too much of an advantage.it ruins the fantasy
    do you see Boris winning Wimbledon in the 70´s with a woodie?
     
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    In which corner would be Tiriac? Could be deciding.
     
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    Thanks for this highly entertaining post.

    I may agree with all of it, including a merger Nastase/Becker that could result in a superplayer.

    And, yeah, the series may never end up because a quarrel may happen in the last, deciding match
     
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    He could with a Tanner or Ashe metalic racket.
     
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    Tiriac never really coached Ilie.I don´t think Nastase could be coached.Unless a heart attack prevention policy is signed.:)
     
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    This may be true. But Nasty had a habit to look up to the stands and communicate with people there. I think in the Wim 1972 final he had a silent agreement with Fred Perry. When Perry suddenly left the stands, Ilie was outraged and lost completely his rhythm and a set. He also was high strung and nervous. In that same final he constantly changed rackets. So it would be a good chance for Tiriac, who knew him in and out, to do a bit hoodoo and psych Nasty out.
     
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    Nastase coached Borg and improved his serve right before the 1976 Wimbledon.

    He probably still curses himself for that altruist act.

    But that talks volume about the good side of Nastase
     
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    Can you imagine the gamesmanship in this matchup?

    WWTD? What would Tiriac do?
     
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    Maybe to counter Tiriac, Nasty should bring in Brooke Shields.
     
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    Women on stands would play a big role on the outcome
     
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    On grass or carpet Becker is both too powerful and too tough, clutch on important points, to have any real trouble with Nastase.

    On clay Nastase would have the clear edge.

    Hard courts is where the matchup would be interesting. I tend to think Nastase's playing style, and lack of concentration, is not what would beat an in form Becker who reached a late round for a hypothetical match with prime Nastase, very often.
     
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    Nastase has one of the best indoor records of the 70´s, probably the best one.If Becker doesn´t serve really well, he is finished quickly.Ilie was heads and shoulders faster and more versatile.Both very good, but not super volleyers.
     
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    Just for folks to aknowledge.

    Ilie Nastase gave Bjorn Borg its most humilliating ever defeat at the finals of the 75 Masters, held at Borg´s backyard, Stockholm.A real fast court.
     
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    Nastase won 4 indoor majors and so did Boris.
    It certainly is a match,or better,a 3 match series I wouldn't miss
    Nastase beat Ashe,Smith,Laver,Borg,Connors,Vilas and BB beat Sampras,Wilander,Jmac,Edberg,Cash as well as Lendl several times.
    Two great,yet different indoor players
     
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    BB on the old fast grass or carpet destroys Nastase. Nastase won 2 grand slams only.
     
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    Women in closets, you mean.
     
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  22. kiki

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    For Becker, sure it is

    Nastase married a french aristocrat
     
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