70 Vilas vs 80 Edberg

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  1. kiki

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    It is also a very interesting contrast between relentless S&V attack (Edberg) and top spin defensive baselining (Vilas).Really, two attractive people and nice looking men, as well.

    Indoors, hard and grass, it is Stefan ( 2-1 hard, 2-1 grass and 3-0 indoors) while Vilas wins 3-0 on clay.

    Edberg should play his best because Vilas wouldn´t beat himself.

    But the 80´s are now leading by 3-2
     
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  2. treblings

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    Edberg on everything but clay. even there it´s not clear cut.
    Edberg was one of Musters most feared opponents, and i can´t help comparing Vilas to Muster. similar styles
     
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    That is what I would predict.On Aussie grass, with high bounces, I still think Vilas has a chance to grab a win; Edberg won twice and Vilas won twice ( plus the Masters)

    Yes, me also sees some similarities in styles and focus between Muster and Vilas
     
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    Similar styles, but not similar results !
     
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    true, agreed
     
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    However there was a big diference between both and it fully explains why Muster has such a poor record against great S&V players: the passing shot

    Vilas is one of the best artist of this shot I have seen ( specially on clay).Muster didn´t have one .Muster was, however, a better server than Vilas.

    But the passing shot made possible for Vilas to win very important grass court tournaments while Muster never ever got to a final on anything faster than clay.
     
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    i agree about Musters passing shot being a relative weakness.
    on occasion he was able to raise his game on fast courts, like Essen indooors in 95, where he won the tournament, beating Sampras in the semis.
    those where rare exceptions though.
    Vilas had to deal with lots of s&v players in his time, which probably helped him to develop his passing shot out of necessity.
     
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    You are right, but the 90´s was also an era with great S&V players, only that Muster didn´t play enough of them for he concentrated almost exclusively on clay, while Vilas played a lot more of fast court indoor tourneys.

    That may have made a big difference.

    Muster problem was not he was unable to hit a good passing, but he had a tendence to hit them relatively too high, and that was Edberg´s delight.A relatively high passing shot to his BH volley...
     
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    I agree with most of your assessment other than the grass. Old school grass I see Edberg winning 3-0. Edberg won 4 majors on grass and I don't see him being beat by a clay raised baseliner on grass. He also lost to Becker in another Wimby final otherwise it would be 5 majors on grass.... IMHO.
     
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    One of the grass matches played at Kooyong, it is a clear toss up.Vilas won 3 majors there, as opposed to Edberg´s 2.Plus a final and a semi.Vilas mastered that rare grass.

    Now, if we talk about Wimbledon and Newport, then Edberg is the favourite.
     
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    Even late 80s Edberg (and dont even get me started on early 90s) would smoke Vilas like a Cuban cigar on anything but clay. Vilas would win most, or all, clay matches.
     
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    Well, Guillermo once beat Newcombe on grass, in Australia.And you guys probably know that Newk was a superb grass courter...

    Vilas also has a good chance if the hard court is slow enough, he won some hard court tournaments but it is true that indoors were far more widespread than hard courts when Vilas was playing.
     
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