9 years old tennis player junior kid

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    This is pretty impressive for a 9 year old. Actually, it s just impressive! Feet always moving, weight transfer on the forehand is pretty advanced for a 9 year old. Obviously needs work on a one hander, but even there body positioning and follow through are still advanced for her age.

    The girl next to her in the black is also pretty good. Are these kids playing a 12's tourney?
     
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    it's not that girl that's in her 30s now but seems to lose another year everytime her youtube video is posted is it?
     
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    Thank you. Could you be specific please? where we need to work on? I really need fresh eyes to help me. appreciate!
     
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    Very nice little player mom and dad. Since you are asking for fresh eyes and some ideas....more core rotation on both sides. Check out Henin in this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBioEMX2IdM&feature=fvw

    Notice on her forehand she keeps her off hand on the racquet longer on the takeback and holds it a count longer than your girl.....she is getting those shoulders turned and loading up to unleash into the ball. Unless she is on the run, Lily needs to load up, get that racquet back and up and get those shoulders turned. Either keep that off hand on longer or point that off arm down the baseline. Thats how she will get coiled like a spring in that open stance.

    Also compare Henin's 1 hb take back and especially follow through. Much more use of the core.

    Your girl looks to have slimmer legs compared to Henin or the little girl in the black next to her in your video. Since much of the power comes from the legs, your girl will have to be an expert at using her core to bang with the stronger girls as she gets older.

    Your girl has a chance to be a special player....get her understanding and using her core and kinetic chain on her shots and as she gets bigger and stronger she will be a player to be reckoned with. Good luck.
     
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    ^^she does remind me of a little justine henin :) not only with the topspin 1hbh but also the slice, very similar playing styles...
     
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    Right on!!! Thank you for the input.
     
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    The first thing that struck me was that in the first exchange, she gets a short ball, hits a nice approach, then backs all the back out behind the baseline. She should come on in and finish at the net. For ninie years old, she looks like she will have nice height so should be able to get some good points at the net. Now is a great time to get her comfortable coming in. Don't let her become afraid of the net. All she did was start the point over behind the baseline. Nice player though - thanks for the video!
     
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    she moves her feet constantly which is a plus. Also, I noticed that she is not scared to hit the one hand backhand. Alot of players tend to resort to the slice or push when the get a backhand especially the ones that bounce up to your shoulders. This girl does not seem tentative at all.

    Some things to consider:

    -On her backhand followthru... she tends to drop her wrist/racket head on the finish. I would try to finish high.

    -1hbh requires alot of legs. To hit it effectively, have her bend her knees a bit more while turning her shoulders for the takeback. This should help with power and consistency for a 1hbh.

    Here's a good video of a 1hbh you might want to model after.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIJcdMC16rk&feature=related

    Notice the knee bend, shoulder turn and finish.
     
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    Congratulations, you have a very special daughter.

    As others have posted, she should not be afraid of coming to the net.
    Spend equal amounts of time practicing net play.

    Make sure she plays doubles, great way to make friends, and very important for college play.
     
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    what tennis centre is that ?
     
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    wow thats phenominal!
     
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  13. decades

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    don't take this as a slight but I think she should use a two handed backhand. I think her ceiling willl be higher if she develops a good one. the 1hbh is flashy and beautiful but I think a 2h is more solid and less prone to breakdown. It's never too late. I am way way way older than her and I just changed to 2h (kept 1h slice). the results are great and it's only been a couple months.
     
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    You have someone very special there; she is solid on both sides and the serve is advanced for her age (as she gets off the ground). Do you have any videos of her volleying, is she confident at the net?...I saw in the videos of her retreating on two short balls. What sectional does she play in if you don't mind me asking? And, good luck to her in the future!
     
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    Sorry, she started using 2hbh, here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LULHXfMcmjc
    it was in Jan2010. She decided to switch to 1hbh 4 month ago. I found she hit better.
     
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    I will shoot some video of volleying and overhead. be honest, I never thought net game was so important at this age. tourn out, I was wrong. I never spent much time training her net game. She won the 10U ann arbor junior open this summer in MI.
     
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    Lookin good! Nice footwork. I would try to get her to solidify her wrist and parts of her arm in order to allow more racquet speed with less racquet and arm flopping. I get the sense that she is a bit floppy in the arms and therefore cant get the racquetr acceleration that is necesssary because it would cause too many errors in combination. Kids this age often dont quite have the strength to be stable but relaxed in the arms, so it may just take time. I also think that she kind of "throws her shoulder" at the forehand a bit. Overall she is looking good and it is important to remember that all kids develop different skills at different times, but she is doing great!
     
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    Thank you!!
     
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    And by stabilizing the wrist, I mean laying it back, but not allowing it and the arm to turn/wobble etc. There is a fine line between a stable wrist that allows energy to transfer and a tight or too straight wrist. Do you have a coach you work with? Do you teach her?
     
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    yes, I teach both my daughters myself. I believe that flexible wrist is very important for faster racket speed, say Roger federer is good example. what do you think?
     
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    Ninaz,

    Since your daughter is only 9, look into having her play the Little Mo tournament. If she makes it through her sectional, then to regionals, she could possibly play in the Little Mo Nationals in Texas. It's a fun event!
     
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    Thank you. We only play all local tournament. I really do not think she will benefit too much by traveling far. plus it is way too expensive and time consuming. I always put her into higher age group. she can play tougher players that way. I do not think points is that important yet for her age. what do you think?.
     
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    I do not use the word "flexible" to describe the wrist to children, because I find that most of them need to stabilize the wrist more to prevent the racket from wobbling off course through the stroke. When the body and then arm are producing good torque and speed, a flexible wrist will follow the swing path without wobbling, but for kids it is common for the wrist to cause errors by deviating off course. I try to teach more about a stable but relaxed wrist. Really depends on the kid and what they need. Roger Federer and others have flexible wrists but there is a great deal of strength that is required to be so flexible, childrten dont tend to have that strength. So long as the wrist is laid back and not straight, it is good to develop a relaxed strength and stability.
     
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    Also, I agree about not going crazy with tournaments and travel, so long as she has people to play matches with. Quite frankly (and I do work with the USTA at times on JTT etc) i find the $50 entry fees for young kids in tournaments to be obscene. I dont get why I would pay $50 and then drive an hour or more to perhaps have my kid lose a match, feel bad, and go home. I'd sooner invest that money in other group playing opportunities at a local club, or JTT, etc.
     
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    IN michigan, it will cost about $60 application fee for a trouny. I always watch how many girls applyed before I put her in to avoid only 2 matches to play. I ask my daughters to play easy and practice the new stuff they just learn if the opponents is not that strong. This way, they do not end the match under one hour. so say 1.5 hour per match, 3 matches, 4.5 hours for tourny. It is about $13 an hour. not too bad. plus a cheap trophy. too many now, we do not know what to do with them. you can not sell or throw away, right?
     
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    If you are serious about your Daughters development in long term, you will enter her in higher age divisions where there will be more competition and less cheap trophies to collect.
     
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    Thank you, I always put them into highter age group like I wrote in earlier post. My older daughter won her first 14u torny when she was 10. Our local tournament, trophies for all age group are same, cheap ones.
     
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    Well I think traveling to regional tourneys to some extent is a necessary evil for the development of your child. The better she is, the higher her rank and more points. So she would be able to qualify for National level II or level 3 tourneys in time. I think it would be good for your Daughters confidence to compete with some of the top players in the country and succeed. Still cant avoid the cheap trophies however :).
     
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    Thats what we do with my daughter.We cant afford to travel all over the country.Until she can beat all the kids close to her age in Georgia i dont see the point in going all over the country chasing points especially since my daughter is only 8.
     
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    I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Cheap trophies....that's a whole nother topic altogether:)!

    As far as higher level tournaments, I agree, it will give your kid a good exposure on how good other kids are, coming from varying sectionals. I mention Little Mo (even though it is a non-sanctioned USTA tournament...and good only to 11 years of age) my daugther played a year ago and made it to the regionals. The kids from So-Cal were very strong and gave her a view on how much harder she has to work in order to play them.
     
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    You mentioned several times that the trophies are cheap. I don't think the cost of the trophy is important to the kids, most kids love to win and the fact that they are handed a trophy is very exciting to them. I hope your not
    saying this in front of your kids and putting a negative on their win.

    These junior trophies are a stepping stone to the next level when hopefully they are handing them checks lol.

    The tournament directors (at least the ones that I know) don't make a lot from the tournaments so they can't afford to buy elaborate expensive trophies.

    IMO - the cost of the trophy is insignificant - the thrill for me as a parent is seeing my kids face when the "cheap" trophy is handed to him. His smile is worth millions to me.
     
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    There you go, right on!! Ninaz may be a thoughtful and humble parent, but she gives the perception of being just a little arrogant, "with the cheap trophies and what do I do with them" remarks. Well said amtennis!
     
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    sorry, but believe me, sometime the trophie was too cheap, we played once at Port H..., the trophy was even a used one, there were scratch and dents, on the bottom, it was for different tourny. But again, it is true, it is always great feel when you see the exitement on kid face. but again, after getting home, my dilemma is there is no room for more, i can not give away or throw them. it will hurt my kid's feeling, keeping them will require lots of room. they are basicaly, same base, deferent color colum, same statue on top. what will you do?
     
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    Whats worst is the trophy has the wrong sex gender on the person posing. I've seen quite a few boys trophies engraved and labeled correctly except the only problem is that the guy posing the trophy positions is wear a freaking skirt. thats worst than cheap. The last thing i want is a gay trophy
     
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    Move to Florida or Socal! Just kidding, but if she is winning that much you have to find better competition. Kids can get stagnant in their development if they battle lesser foes all the time.

    I am sure you have plans down the road to get her to where the competition is much, much stiffer than MI. It can be quite an eye opener for kids when they see how advanced the SoCal, GA, and FL. kids can be from both a technical and tactical standpoint.
     
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    sure, we d love to. but traveling expenses keep us stay here and play up.
     
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    I really try not to put too much importance on the trophy itself even though its a symbol or testiment for how well your Daughter competed. I try not to base everything on a trophy, and put importance on how my child competed such as, did she give her best effort, how well did she serve and so on.

    I think as your Daughter competes more and continue to have success, she will value the trophy less and less. And put more importance on how she competed and how her overall play held up in a spirited match.

    I dont know your family situation , but my relatives are overjoyed with delight when we give them trophies and other gifts from tournaments.
     
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    we have same philosophy. I would rather they just give a piece of paper saying she won. or she learn from some match made me happy too. but those trophies take too much room and you can not just simply throw away. i can give grandma or pa one. but it is kind of "showing off" when giving to friend's kid.
     
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    Checked the record on this player and the OP seems to be embelishing just a bit!

    2008 No Wins = No Trophies

    2009 1 Backdraw Win 10U
    2 10U Win
    1 Finalist 10's
    4 Trohies Max

    2010 2 12U back draw wins
    2 10U Wins
    1 finalist 10U
    1 12U Win
    6 trophies max

    And not so much speaking strictly about the trophies, however, she's not really winning as big as OP says. Also not really playing up. As TCFL says - come to a stronger section and you'll see how the girls are practicing and playing.

    All the tournaments were basically local Detroit MI tournaments. Not to knock Detroit but they weren't even Designated or Sectional type of tournaments.

    And losing quite a bit in the 12's and some in the 10's.

    I am not critizing the player - just pointing out to the Dad that although he
    has a daughter with quite a bit of potential, she has a lot of work to do before speaking that "she's winning too much" etc etc.
     
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    The trophys shouldnt be looked at as cheap they should represent what your daughter has accomplished.I remember in the juniors how much my trophys meant to me!!! I never looked at them as being cheap i loved them for what they were.
     
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    I never said " she won too much". all I said i just has no room for displaying trophies, what can I do? here is a picture of the trophies and some bowl, crystal and plate trophies are still in their boxes. I believe my daughters gave grand parents and close friends about 5-6 of them.[​IMG]
     
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    I was only addressing the 9 year old.
    You stated "daughters" so I was not speaking about your other daughter and your son. Just commenting on the issue that you stated about winning too much and competition. The 9 year old certainly doesn't fall into this category. Yes, she looks like a good player at 9 but you have a ways to go before your complaining about lack of competition.
    Like TCFL states, go to Florida or Georgia.
     
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    Just by watching the one video i saw of her hitting i would say she would be a top 15 player in the 10 and under girls division in Georgia.
     
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    Right,

    And I want to be clear to the OP and others, I wasn't saying she wasn't talented, just addressing the fact that since she is losing in the 10's and 12's in his area - he then still has good competiton for her there. Maybe shes's getting past the 10's division but still much room for growth in the 12's and certainly lots of hitting up in the 14's for a while.

    Hey ga tennis - lots of good players coming out of Georgia now huh?
    I saw where Laura Herring just won a 10K - shes out of RCST right?
     
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    Tennis-silver, could you tell me where did you get my statement "winning too much and competition." and "complaining about lack of competition."? :)

    Thank you for previous input about Lily's play. I was really exited when they won the first couple trophies. then I really did not care about that too much now in local tournies. All I care has been if they did what we practiced. Lily still have one more year for 10U. you probably noticed I always put her into 12U, 14u one time, even during the transition from 2hbh to 1hbh. I know both of my daughters will have long way to go. but i am really proud of where they are now. Let us just drop this trophy thing and focus on tennis.
     
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    OK sure np!!!

    And you should be proud! She is a good player and seems to be so focused on the match - thats great at 9 years old.

    And good for you to be so involved in your childrens lives - so many parents do not provide any direction for their kids these days. Your a great dad!!
    Good luck to you always!!!!!

    (edited for typo)
     
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    Are you talking about Laura Herrington?? She is from North Carolina.Yes their are a bunch of good players coming out of Georgia.Atlanta is still tennis crazy!!!!!!
     
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    Lauren Herring is her name:

    http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=242082

     
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