90 sq in headsize

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  1. quest01

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    I was just wondering, why do some people prefer using a 90 sq. in. headsize over larger headsizes such as a 95 or 100?
     
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  2. Vixenbergen

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    It's more manuevarable, easier to swing, provides more control, etc. etc.
     
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  3. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    some people find the sweetspot of a tiny head far more satisfying than that of a larger head.
     
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    Got it?

    OK, it's the STYLE of play. I prefer 90 heads. Tried a 95 (Ti Radical) and didn't get along well with it. Tried a 100 (PD) and it's a no, no.

    Got back to 90's ... And even that I had to choose and experiment a lot until I found my current racket. Great stuff! For ME that is.
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    Because a tennis ball is only 5 sq. in., so why waste all that extra string? ;)
     
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  6. Will888

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    some people like the feel of a 90 and its great control. I use the ncode 90 and i have alot of control and feel, but I have tennis elbow and shoulder problems so I'm switching to the flexible yonex rds 001 98. really flexible. But I love the 90 no doubt about it. Hey I have a question, is it just me or do players with 90 or 95 sq inch racquet hit the ball flat or little spin and most with a continental grip? excuse my spelling, i'm tired....
     
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    I think perhaps with the larger head size what comes with that has been the more extreme grips. I think it's in this era of mid pluses that the common forehand grip has gone from continental to semi-western. (Sorry I have no hard science to back up this anecdotal thought!)
     
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  8. dacrymn

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    I've also heard that different head sizes of the same racquet play differently. I wonder why....(non sarcastic)
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    I think the rise of western grips has a bit more to due with the natural feel of these grips and the success of people like Jim Courier (who by the way used a PS 6.0 85). When I was young, my mom tried to teach me a continental forehand, which was the standard style at the time, but it never felt natural to me. Luckily for me, she didn't try to force me to use a style that, in the end, would prove to be less effective than what came naturally.

    Up to this day, I have stuck with rackets with 90-95" head sizes, despite the fact that I have a western forehand and heavy topspin.

    I think the only reason those grips didn't become popular earlier was because of the number of teaching pros preventing people from doing them and not the small rackets. I know these strokes can be hit with even wood rackets, because I've done so myself. It took the success of a number of pros with heavy spin shots and juniors who didn't have or listen to conventional coaches before the rest of the tennis community accepted these styles as being good, and this came through the late 80's and early 90's. Just look at the more recent switch to teaching pros who don't deride players for hitting off the back foot. That was never allowed when I was a kid; you always got an earful from a teaching pro for that.

    People have an idea of certain things being poor until someone proves them otherwise. If only that proof could have come earlier in history, you could have had some of the older legends hitting western forehands off the back foot.
     
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  10. wyutani

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    seriously, how are you gonna even hit the ball with just a 90 sq inch head?
     
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    I use 93, similar to POG Mid. I like the total balance of my frame including weight, flex...it just so happens it has a small head. Had Prince made my frame in 98in with the exact same stats, I would play with that as well.

    The only place where the small head really hurts the most is on my 2H backhand. I shank a lot of balls if I don't prepare early. Otherwise, small heads are amazingly agile and fun to play with.
     
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    Smaller headsizes just 'feel' better to a lot of people.
     
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  13. jackson vile

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    All this and overall has the most consitent feel/string bed, less tension changes ect also
     
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  14. alan-n

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    I don't see what the big deal with 90" heads are, ppl have been playing with 65" head wood racquets, a 90" head is more than plenty enough a sweet spot.
     
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  15. sureshs

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    Must be a huge deal, because only two pros (Federer and Hewitt) use them.
     
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    Why don't you send an e-mail to Federer, Sampras, Courier, Edberg, Becker, Connors, Borg, and Lendl and ask them for an answer? ;) LOL
     
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  17. BreakPoint

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    In addition to the hundreds of pros that use Head Prestige paintjobs, since Head's 93 = 89.5 sq. in.
     
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    Seriously, I think that if you can't hit a 5 sq. in. ball with a 90 sq. in. racquet, then perhaps it would be better to work on your eye-hand coordination or have your vision checked than it is just to switch to a bigger racquet. Imagine how much harder it is to hit a baseball with a bat that's about the same width as the baseball and weighs almost three times as much as a tennis racquet.
     
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  19. sureshs

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    But the most common headsize is still 98 to 100. I had the stats in another post for the top 100 men and women players. If 90 was so good, then players would be asking for a 90 underneath whatever PJ they use. You would see Roddick and Clisters and Nadal with a Babolat 90 painted to look like the Pure Drive (and most casual users would not even know it is a PJ). But they don't.
     
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    "The Size doesn't matter, its how you use it."
    -Austin Power's Father(forgot name)
     
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    Nigel. :D
     
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    ;)
     
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    "OH BEHAAAAAAAAAVE!" ;)
     
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  24. jackson vile

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    It is not as simple as that, a lot has to do with what racket they started out with as kids, or what their sponsors were, ect

    But also you have to condsider the use of poly strings, all the players that use rackets in the 100 below range use poly and at high tensions unless they use a ton of spin.

    So they are seeking the same effect a more controlled consistent string bed but for what ever personal reasons did not change rackets rather kept the same one and just increase tension and/or when to a poly.
     
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  25. onehandbh

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    I think one of the main reasons is that a lot more pros are using
    western and semi-western grips now. Try hitting a western forhand with
    a wood racquet. The more extreme your grip, the more the effective
    sweetspot of your racquet is reduced during the stroke.
     
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  26. sureshs

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    That is a brilliant analysis. Also, lighter racquets are better with the extreme grips due to the stress on the wrists. But given that no one hits a FH with a continental anymore, and even Federer uses a SW, it only proves that larger heads are needed in today's game.
     
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  27. skuludo

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    I am considering stringing up my 88 square inchs racket because I don't like cutting strings out and getting the racket restrung. Less stringing maintenance compared to a midplus racket.
     
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  28. AngeloDS

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    The difference in size between an 85 sq. in. head and a 100 sq. in. head is not that big of a difference and even so with a 90 sq. in. head.

    Take a Babolat Pure Drive + and a Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85, lay the 85 on top of the 100. It's only bigger by less than half of an inch around the whole racquet.
     
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  29. neo

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    No, that would only happen if 90 was best for everyone. And smaller head size has it's advantages as well as disadvantages. So, yes, it is "so good" for some players and not "so good" for others.
     
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  30. sureshs

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    Point is it seems to be good for only 2 players (other than the 93 which Breakpont pointed out). If it had such advantages, I woud think many more pros would be using them. We all know that they go to great lengths to get the equipment they want - special molds, customization by ****, etc. Darwinian struggle for the fittest would predict that many would migrate towards a 90 si if it held even the slightest competitive advantage.
     
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    Yep, only 2 other then 100 BreakPoint pointed out. Like he said, Head measures size differently. Head's 93 is Wilson's 90.

    But you are right, today more players choose 98 frames then 90. Still, there are both advantages and disadvantages to larger head size. You just need to decide which characteristics are more important for your game. There is no universal head size which is "best" for everyone.
     
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  32. skuludo

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    I use strings that are 2 or 1 months old. On a midplus racket it would become a rocket launcher. If I restring the midplus every week or 2 then playing with a PD+ would not be a problem.
     
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    You do it the same as with a 125 sq in head. Hit it in the middle of the racquet face!!
     
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    Reminding us that the simplest answer, is the best answer.
     
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  35. alan-n

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    And what did all the other pro's grow up playing with?

    Sampras grew up playing with wood racquets, Federer with the 85 the rest used modern oversized racquets and have always been used to it. That says nothing about 90 head size being at a disadvantage.
     
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    How did Sampras, Lendl and Federer hit the ball?
     
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    i can only express puzzlement that borders on alarm.

    i dunno. the minimum head size for me is a 100 or more. you think i should change, no?
     
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  38. Zets147

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    I want to try a 130 sq in racquet.. XXXOS lol
     
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    You're right. It's all pretty well relative. I grew up playing with racquets from 65 to 70 square inch head size, so from that perspective everything made today is oversize (in a relative sense). The racquet that I owned (and used) up until the early 1990's was a Wilson T2000 at 70 square inches. Even a 90 square inch racquet is almost a 30 percent increase in size over that. A 90 square inch racquet head is HUGE. ;)

    But I happen to prefer racquets even bigger than that these days at anywhere from 100 to 110 square inches.

    To me, it doesn't make a difference what size racquet you use, as long as you're comfortable hitting with it. Personally, I think it's fun to vary racquets once in a while just to see what different ones play like. (I'm having a lot of fun doing that now.)

    Fortunately, there seem to be great racquets available in nearly all head sizes to suit a huge variety of player skills and playing styles. There isn't any one racquet that will work for everyone, but if there was only ONE size and type of racquet available, every tennis player out there would figure out how to use it. And they'd probably have fun doing it. ;)
     
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    I hit some practice serves the other day with a 135 sq. in. racquet.

    It was interesting, except for the ones I whiffed. :p

    Actually, it WAS kind of fun but felt (and sounded) very different from anything I've ever hit before.
     
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  41. sureshs

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    I have seen Agassi's childhood pics with a wooden racquet. He used a 107 head till retirement. Why didn't he go with a 90 si?

    JMac played with wood and now uses a 98 on the senior tour and the ATP doubles he played earlier this year. Why didn't he go with a 90 si?

    In fact, most players on the senior tour seem to be using > 90 si head but they grew up on wood racquets.

    Why did Martina use a big head till retirement?

    It goes on and on. Given a choice, players are moving to bigger heads (but not more than 100).
     
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    If you like and can play well with < 90 head ... use it.

    If you like and can play well with > 90 head ... use it.

    So, what's the problem?

    Let's stop stuffing things that what one personally prefers down other people's throat. And don't say this pro uses this and that pro uses that.

    Just let the pros use whatever they want.

    Supposedly, if there's suddenly a pro who really likes to eat junk food, has big belly, gets drunk before a match, uses a BigBubba and could still beat the crap out of Fed or Nadal or anybody for the matter, does it mean we should follow the example to be a good player?

    (And if a pro likes a fat girlfriend, does it mean we must all have fat girlfriends to be like a pro? :) )

    Let's go out there and just enjoy our tennis the way we like.

    Makes more sense?
     
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    This forum needs more Anirut kind of people.
     
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    Can't hurt to try. The size of the ball doesn't change, after all. ;)
     
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    You'll notice that all the pro tennis players used the racquet blueprint they used during their amateur - pro development years. Agassi was always the type that like to switched racquets and try out different things, if he didn't use Luxilon it would have never been popular.

    Martina has her reasons, getting older, need more power from the baseline, losing a bit of swing speed from the baseline. She has her reasons, and business reasons (sponsorship and sales).... or the placebo effect that having a larger face racquet = more technology = makes her better player.

    McEnroe is still trying to learn how to hit a 90+ mph winner off his back foot. It couldn't hurt him to try larger racquets I suppose.

    Safin, Hewitt, Federer. Different stokes for different folks and racquets. Fortunately racquet companies still make these 85-93" racquet since there are pros on top of the game with them.
     
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  46. sureshs

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    Martina wasn't sponsored for anything last few years.

    If she (with 59 slam titles and her incredible fitness) needed a bigger racquet, wouldn't it be all the more applicable to recreational players?
     
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  47. alan-n

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    Funny how that 93 is smaller 90".
     
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  48. BreakPoint

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    No, because we don't play against other pros. We'll never have to return a 130mph serve, nor a 100mph forehand, nor deal with spin that kicks over our heads (a la Nadal).
     
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    No because recreational players do not hit like pros and the biggest limiting factor is their own fitness, technique and ability to hit through the ball consistently. Unless of course you are trying to sell that player a new racquet instead of tennis lessons.
     
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    NO! NO! NO!

    Because she's a very fit woman, does it mean we, men, must undergo sex change?

    And does it mean that lady-players must make themselves looking like her?

    Just grap your racket and your balls and go play ...
     
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