98+ with best feel?

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  1. corners

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    What 98+ square-inch frame has the best feel? I'm interested in your opinion.

    Most players feel that midsize frames offer the best feel and feedback. TW's Chris, for example, typically gives midsize frames about 5 more points than mid pluses in his ratings.

    His 98+ feel champ seems to be the Volkl C10 Pro, which he gave a 90 score in the feel category. I think the next highest score he's given a 98+ was 83.

    What 98 or larger frame did you feel most connected to the ball with?
     
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  2. P.Floyd

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    With or without modifications? A real 98 or a Head 98?
     
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  3. mad dog1

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    Pure Storm Team @ 100 sq in...sublime feel.

    TT Rad Tour OS @ 107 sq in...in stock form, a bit too hefty for me, but the flex and feel is just delicious.
     
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    Pacific X Force
     
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  5. travlerajm

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    From the first hit, the BLX Blade 98 just felt right. But there are probably lots of other frames that are similar.

    I've gone up in down in head size over the years. I don't think OS frames feel that much different than smaller headed frames if you adjust the tension to match stringbed stiffness, and match weighting.

    OS frames are certainly more forgiving, which can be a big advantage if you don't play very frequently. I think the disadvantage of OS frames is that the modern type of strings (that take advantage of snapback) are not made to be strung very tight. If you try to string an OS frame with poly at high enough tension for good control, the string will lose tension very fast. The smaller the head, the lower the tension. The lower the tension, the more consistent your stringbed will play over time.

    Also, I believe strings like poly start to lose a lot of energy return at high tensions (at least that's my perception).
     
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  6. zapvor

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    you are asking which head size over 98 has best feel?????
     
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  7. Ross K

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    Well, it's very individual how one interprets feel, but for me and in my racketaholic roaming over the years LOL some that come to mind would be... let me think now...

    Fischer red/silver Pro No 1... 320g and 330g red/black Pro No 1... X Force Pro... C10 Pro... Pure Control Swirly... Blade... and if I were to go a bit smaller in head-size I'd have to immediately bring in RD7, PSC 6.1, and various Prestiges.
     
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    With mods is fine. Real 98. I'm coming from Wilson 90s, and don't feel that a 95 (Head 98) offers enough extra real-estate to justify the trouble of switching.
     
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    Wow, lots of Fischers/Pacifics. Have you tried the X Feel Pro, Ross?
     
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  10. corners

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    The Team. I'll have to demo that thing. "Sublime Feel" are magic words.
     
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    I hit a K Blade 98 once and absolutely hated it. But it could have been the strings. Felt horribly boardy and dead. Good point about tension and tension loss Trav. Thanks.
     
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    A Volkl Powerbridge 10 MP might be worth checking out.
     
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  13. P.Floyd

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    That's a real shame how you answered the latter. If you were fine with a Head 98, which is more like a 95 from what's been posted on here, I'd have to say the Pro Tour series (either the 280 or 630) has had the best feel of any MP/OS racquet that I've tried.

    A lot of people are raving about the Technifibre Ltd 315, and its comparable feel to a Pro Tour in a 98 head size. While I have some reservation in that the racquet reaches this point through the use of silicone instead of actual design, might definitely be worth a demo.
     
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  14. mad dog1

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    the Team is great because it's light enough to mod it however you like to. some racquets are too HL and have high static weights so all you can do is add lead to the hoop to make it less HL and vice versa. the Team is light enough everywhere so you can add lead to the handle or to hoop or to both. and i love that the high 50s RA flex. so yummy.
     
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  15. mad dog1

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    the PT does have excellent feel but it's quite low powered. a bit too low powered for me at least.
     
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  16. RetroSpin

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    Feel is very subjective, but how can anything be better than the mighty POG?
     
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    I know very little about racquet specs. What does this mean?
     
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  18. movdqa

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    Head 98s are 95s.
     
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  19. Ross K

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    Never tried it, corners. Don't know much about it TBH. Are you a fan?

    Yes, mad dog and a few others on the diary thread have persuaded me to try and check one of these out soon.
     
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  20. syke

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    Hear hear...

    Better feel than the VC97, PST, Radical MP, Prestige MP...
    Gotta the love the flexy feel.
     
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  21. Chotobaka

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    Big co-sign. I have all of the Fischers mentioned. In addition to those: yellow/green M-Speed Pro No 1 (320g) and the red Air Carbon VT 98 (330g and the last of the Fischer ceramics) are terrific sticks. If the OP prefers lighter static weight, any UL version of the Pro No 1's and the X-Force play just as sweetly in terms of feel.

    I recently got the TF 315 Ltd -- it is very nice, too. Mine was a bit off spec, in a good way, coming in at 319.6g unstrung which was fine by me.
     
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  22. Ross K

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    How do you find the TF 315 compare to the likes of the old Pro No 1's I mentioned in my post or the X Force Pro re general ease of use? What's your fave Fischer as well?

    To the OP - sorry, don't mean to threadjack this. :)
     
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  23. Chotobaka

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    I have played off and on with the 315 Ltd. (16x19 version) and haven't really bonded with it yet. It is an extremely solid racquet and is quite comfortable. Plenty of pop off the ground and rock solid on volleys. But I keep putting it back in my bag and grabbing my Fischers. The TF is a really good racquet, but it doesn't feel quite as good in my hand in any situation. If I did not have my usual sticks, I might be happy with the 315, but there is a reason it keeps going back into my bag.

    My favorite Fischer is the M-Speed Pro No 1, by a slight margin over the red/silver and black/red. Maybe I prefer the M-Speed because I have been able to acquire several NOS and have had three of them in my bag for a while. The other models are just too hard to get these days, although I did manage to find a NOS 330g red/black a couple of months ago. I may try a Pro No 1 FT that I have a line on (at a fairly reasonable price), but have no experience with these. I also have the Pacific X-Force Pro, which I can switch to seamlessly. Aside from not selling pallets directly to customers in the USA Pacific is doing a great job.
     
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  24. McLovin

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    As a current VC97 user, and previous X Force Pro user, I can agree w/ that statement 100%. The only reason I switched was I'm a degenerate, and to retain my membership in the TT Racketaholic group, it was required...

    If I decide, after the "summer of Yonex", that the VC97 is not for me, my first stop will be an X Force Lite. From what I understand, this is the original VT98 mold, and can easily be leaded up to 320g.

    I haven't hit with one yet, but a flex of 55 must feel amazing...
     
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  25. rudester

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    Originally Posted by P.Floyd
    That's a real shame how you answered the latter. If you were fine with a Head 98, which is more like a 95 from what's been posted on here, I'd have to say the Pro Tour series (either the 280 or 630) has had the best feel of any MP/OS racquet that I've tried.


    This..........
     
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  26. syke

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    Lol... I am done with new racquets.
    Just this one year alone, I have changed 5 different sets of racquets and demo'ed many others. The feel of the Pacific is just like hot knife though butter. Smooth and flexy...

    I really liked how the Steam 99S swing. That's why I got the the lighter Xforce, built up the swing weight and balance similar to my 99S.

    It's definitely one of the best feeling racquet around.

    However, it's rather annoying having to explain to everyone it's not a Prince racquet. Pacific is just unheard of in my neck of the woods.

    The Xforce lite sounds like a good idea, but I really can't get pass that orange PJ. :p
     
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  27. J011yroger

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    Don't laugh, but I thought the Steam 99s felt great.

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  28. Ross K

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    Right. Time for me to check out some info on this frame methinks. :wink:

    Don't know if this is serious but IMO the 99s actually does feel pretty good. Surprisingly comfy.

    Really interesting. Big fan here of the 320g and 330g red/black Pro No. 1 and the red/silver Pro No 1, but I've never hit with a M-Speed Pro No 1.
     
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  29. J011yroger

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    No Joke, it is up there right with the Bablolat Aeros and The radical with the 100"ish frames that I like most.

    J
     
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  30. syke

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    I thought they felt great too.

    However, I did notice some arm pain after a long session, I reckon it's the open string pattern masking the stiffness of the frame.
     
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    I hit that racquet once - and I loved the feel - but somehow it fell off my radar, until now.
     
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  32. corners

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    Yeah, the specs show a perfect platform for modification - either toward high swing weight/low static weight, or the opposite. However, I just checked the TW Customer Reviews and saw a report of broken frames from serving. Gives me pause, although it could be kids throwing their racquets and not fessing up. But if I'm switching its got to be something that lasts. I just don't have time to merry-go-round frames.
     
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    Yeah, I've got my eye on the Tech 315, but the extra stringbed, compared to a Prestige, is in the throat. That's not useful to me. I need more width.

    The 280/630 has always interested me, and I've watched a couple auctions on the bay. But I've already rejected a great option at 95 - HPS 6.0 95 - so unless one falls in my lap I probably won't go that direction. But, "best feel of any MP/OS" just got it on my watch list. This here is exactly how racketaholics get started.
     
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    I'm aint laughin. It's on my demo list, and now I've got another reason to keep it on there. Thanks.
     
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    I just picked up a VC97 310 used, and despite a stringjob that doesn't suit me, I'm very impressed with it. Feel may not be sublime, but plays very, very well at such a light weight and low swingweight.
     
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    I haven't tried it either. But I've always been curious since it came out. Thinner beam than the X Pro. Solid numbers at TW University: Low flex, decent power. Good platform for customization. The Magnetic Tour progenitor looks sharp and can be found NOS. But nobody's mentioned that stick here. I'm not thrilled by the Pacific graphics. Silly, I know.
     
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  37. corners

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    LOL, that's not hijacking! As long as we're talking about good feeling sticks we're on track. :)
     
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  38. P.Floyd

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    Yeah, it's a very special racquet. I slightly prefer the CAP'd 280s as it marginally stiffer and, to me, better at net and for touch shots as a result. I've only tried the Austrian built variants, but heard the Chinese versions are close although slightly heavier.

    As to width, I'm a heavy top-spin baseliner and never had issues in generating spin. Don't think it lacks too much pace, and yields very precise and heavy shots.
     
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  39. Ross K

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    +2 on that, or certainly on a bright orange colour way.:eek:
     
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  40. coolblue123

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    I guess most frames with a thinner, flexier beam fits the bill.
    Some frames include:
    Prince Graphite OS, BB London, Donnay's just to name a feel.
     
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  41. TennisCJC

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    I like the feel of the volkl o10 295. Mine is custom 6HL, 12+oz, and 333SW with multi main and poly cross 52/48. The feel is muted but I like it. Not too crisp and not too flexy.
     
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  42. Shangri La

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    Feel has always been my top priority when picking up a racquet. Bio 200G Max has a very nice ball feel with modern racquet all-court performance. I've also heard great things about the latest Blades; need to demo one.
     
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  43. J011yroger

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    Not the blade 93 I hope lol.

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  44. JT_2eighty

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    Well yes! The PT280/630 is definitely amazing for feel, but I don't want to suggest it so someone has to search for a used one or pay ridiculous amounts for the few new ones still floating round the bay.

    I'm always on the search for the modern equivalent, and so far the TecLTD 315 is very close; as is the BBecker DC London Tour. Still, nothing has quite that buttery-amazing feel of the PT280. I think the TecLTD315 is a nice racquet, and the 16x19 also does a great job of staying soft and flexy with a larger sweetspot for those who find the 18x20 lacking in power. This additional fact that they offer both string patterns to a similarly spec'd frame is also really cool, and useful to reach more players.
     
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    Head Pro Tour 630
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    Donnay X-Blue 99
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  46. travlerajm

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    Going by the OP's definition of feel - i.e., "most connected with the ball":

    Racquet characteristics that make for better feel:

    1. Maximum mass in the head (the more plow-through the better).
    2. Appropriate mass in the handle (for relaxed swing).
    3. Some flex to the hoop (enough flex to increase dwell time, but not so much that the hoop buckles on offcenter shots).
    4. Tight, stiff stringbed - the less the stringbed "dents" when the ball hits it, the more connected the feel. It shouldn't stretch too much in normal direction. Denser pattern = more feel.
    5. Stringbed that stretches maximally in lateral direction - good bite important for good feel. kevlar 18/syn gut 15 = high ratio of lateral/normal stringbed compliance = most feel.
    6. Rigid connection to the frame. Soft grommets = less feel. O3 = out-of-plane string movement = less feel. NXG = rigidly anchored stringbed = more feel.

    If I were picking an OS racquet based on feel, the NXG OS would fit the bill when strung very tightly with kevlar/syn gut hybrid and weighted with lots of weight in the upper handle and lots of mass in the head.. However, it's feel can vary more than any other racquet, depending how it's weighted and strung. At lower tension, it's feel can become "extremely grippy in a slingshot sort of way." At stock weighting (way too HL), it's feel can get too noodly (which is probably why the racquet never took off mainstream).

    Another larger-headed frame having good flex and dense string pattern that I have tried was an Aluminum Weed frame. IT has 135" head size, but with a 29x22 pattern, it's the densest string pattern in my collection. When I strung it up with kevlar/poly at 68 lbs and added a bit of weight to the hoop, it had a very connected, very controlled, easy-to-play-with feel. The only real downside with that racquet was that the center of the stringbed was too close to the hand for serving, giving little leverage.
     
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  47. anubis

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    Technifibre 315 Ltd. 16 mains.
     
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  48. corners

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    Any others in 98 or larger headsize that impressed you as having great feel?
     
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  49. Shangri La

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    I just discovered the T fight 315 limited thread and the consensus there seems to be it is as close to a pro stock racquet as you can get in terms of precision/performance, and most importantly its uber feel. Seriously thinking about blind buying one.

    PS - I was also pleasantly surprised by the Bio 400 tour - feel/stability/control/power, with a bit of lead.
     
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    TFight 315 LTD all the way. I switched to the 16M from Bio Max200G's and have never looked back.
     
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