A billion Reasons why Sampras is the GOAT.

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  1. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    I tend to agree. If the minimal requirement is winning all four majors at least once, then you'd have to leave out of the discussion Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, Borg, and Sampras.

    If your make this a requirement, then your list is Perry, Budge, Laver, Emerson, Agassi, and Federer.

    As much as I admire Budge, Perry, Emmo, or Agassi, I would not place any of them above Tilden, Gonzales, Rosewall, or Borg.
     
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    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    This logic fails on several levels. Sampras was never the GOAT. If he was, the Emerson was the GOAT befopre him. And who said Sampras gets to decide? Is this because Sampras is the world's leading tennis historian or tennis statistician? I don't think so.
     
  3. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    Here's your ultimate GOAT-list based exclusively on titles won in the four GS majors (and nothing else):

    1 Roy Emerson (AUS) 28
    2 John Newcombe (AUS) 26
    3 Frank Sedgman (AUS) 22
    = Todd Woodbridge (AUS) 22
    5 Bill Tilden (USA) 21
    6 Rod Laver (AUS) 20
    7 Jack Bromwich (AUS) 19
    8 Neale Fraser (AUS) 18
    = Jean Borotra (FRA) 18
    10 Fred Stolle (AUS) 17
    = John McEnroe (USA) 17
    = Jack Crawford (AUS) 17
    = Adrian Quist (AUS) 17
    = Ken Rosewall (AUS) 17

    "Interesting what statistics will tell you, depending on which statistics."
     
  4. Steffi-forever

    Steffi-forever Semi-Pro

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    LOL Still 13 Roger!
     
  5. Steffi-forever

    Steffi-forever Semi-Pro

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    Top 5 to me :
    1. Federer
    2. Laver
    3. Sampras
    4. Borg
    5. Gonzales
     
  6. pc1

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    Hoodjem,

    I couldn't put it any better.

    A GOAT candidate is a player who is terrific on all surfaces and everyone you mentioned with the possible exception of Sampras on red clay (and even then Sampras did win the Italian Open) was superb on all surfaces.

    Again, an excellent post. You have to put stats in perspective.

    It drove me crazy years ago when people were talking about how players had a large number of major titles and how far superior these players were to the players of the past as far as achievements were concerned. They didn't mention the players in the past turned pro and couldn't play the majors and how the players today can play every majors from the start of their careers to the end. Of course players today will eventually win more majors, they entered a lot more. They may be better but more majors doesn't make them automatically better.

    I love the fact Todd Woodbridge is there among the great names. lol.
     
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  7. jimbo333

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    Even though you are joking, numbers don't lie, Emerson is clearly underrated:)
     
  8. Mahboob Khan

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    I am not going to take away anything from Pete Sampras. I enjoyed his game.

    But I think during those years the Americans made fun of Spanish players: "O, these dirtballers only win on clay and not at Wimbledon, and that their game is one dimensional, and that they should not be seeded at Wimbledon based on their clay court records". Well, this uncalled for American accusation was answered by Nadal years later by winning at Wimbledon beating my favorite player, Roger Federer.

    Sound familiar? Dirtballers as opposed to clay court specialists?
     
  9. samprasvsfederer123

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    I'm tired of the fn *astards that keep saying 999,999,999 more to go, can you be mature for once in your life you idiots, you cant take down your throats my figure of speech?
     
  10. Mahboob Khan

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    How about Jimmy Connors with 109 titles overall? Where will he fit in your list? And head to head Borg was better than Laver? No? I saw Borg beating Laver and Laver whining after the match, "O, Borg hits the ball with lots of topspin which prevented me from going to the net".
     
  11. leeroy85

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    If Sampras and Federer played at same age, there head to head across varying surfaces will be very close to 50-50. Would not be surprising if Sampras actual leads in the head to head. Both are great players and am a fan of both Federer and Sampras. But I think too many remember the old 30s Sampras and forget how great he was in the mid and upper 20s.
     
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    amen :mrgreen:
     
  13. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

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    OK. Lose the potty mouth you rebellious 13-year-old, hyperbole and expletives will get you nowhere on here.

    Try "Twenty Reasons Sampras is the GOAT" and we will help you.
     
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  15. papatenis

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    I don't think you can have a "GOAT", but I think you can have "GOD",
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    You can't compare players of different era's, because there are too many variables involved. Such as; equipment, physical size, athleticism, court conditions, number of players playing, money, evolution of game.

    There are many that will disagree, but...
     

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