A couple string tests

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  1. JT_2eighty

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    and if you do put the RIP tour in the crosses, it becomes one of the softest string setups ever. Seriously, I've tried that and it felt as comfy as VS, with less power. (also not a good spin setup, but great for flat hitters)
     
  2. Up&comer

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    Head intellitour with rip control in the mains. 56

    Stringing- just about the same as full rip control. You just have to be careful. This was the yellow one.

    Groyndstrokes- again, about the same as rip control. There was maybe a little more power, a little less spin. It was definitely more predictable than full rip. Not too much to say here.
    Overall- 9/10

    Serves- better than rip. Again, I always hate the thought of low power on my serves, but this did pretty well. Not great, but I could hit a pretty nasty slice serve with it.
    Overall- 8.5/10

    Volleys- darn it. I was hoping for it to play alot like rip. It didn't. It had that extra power on it again, and I didn't have as much confidence putting volleys away.
    Overall- 8/10

    Durability- its tough to say, but probably right about the same as rip.
    Overall- 8/10

    Softness- 1 being the softest, 10 being the stiffest.
    Overall- 3/10

    I really don't have much to say about it. It's a slightly more powerful, less spin friendly version of rip control.
    Overall- 8/10
     
  3. mikeler

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    Intellitour was just not that great for this player.
     
  4. Up&comer

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    Yep. It's just a lackluster multi.
     
  5. RyKnocks

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    Thanks for the review. If you could rate these in order of preference, how would you rate Thunder Blast, Full RIP, and Intellitour? I know you preferred Thunder Blast over RIP when I asked before but wanted to know if your experience with Intellitour has changed that. I'm going through a reel of Gosen Micro right now but when I finish it I'll be looking at using one of these three multi's.
     
  6. Posture Guy

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    and a follow up question, what would you consider your 3 favorite multis?

    most are pretty lackluster, especially in the spin department. At the start of my string search I figured I'd just end up with a good multi. Easy to string, easy to order, no messing with hybrid setups, blah blah blah. Well after playing Classic/MSV-Co-focus, so much for that idea. Don't think I could ever go back to a multi unless it was pretty special.

    Had a hitting session with full bed Tough Gut. Felt too powerful, hit a lot of balls long, but I suspect it will become a bit more playable as the bed softens from use.
     
  7. mikeler

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    Since you are a new user, I'm assuming you have not seen my thread with rankings:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=352048
     
  8. Up&comer

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    It would be thunderblast, rip control, and intellitour.
     
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    Xcel premium, thunderblast, addiction.
     
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    I'm only using it as a cross string. I might try it out full bed this winter but it just works so darn well as a cross with B5E.
     
  12. Up&comer

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    Your current setup is definitely better.
     
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    hi mikeler, yep, I saw them. Excellent thread!

    was just curious what U&C's thoughts/ratings were, and lo and behold, none of his top 3 are your top 3.

    What I find interesting is seeing how different people with different games value different strings. In reading U&C's thread here, I'm getting a feel for his game and what works best for him. I then have to 'adjust' that to fit my game. I want a bit more power in my stringbed than he does, for example. Kind of like movie reviews, get acquainted with a few reviewers whose thoughts mirror yours (like you and U&C) and then adjust to your own tastes.
     
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    Xcel premium is both of ours favorite multi.

    I like a lower powered and stiffer multi though.
     
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    somehow missed Xcel premium on your post above, U&C. My bad.

    this, mikeler's, and pvaudio's playtest threads are just goldmines of information.
     
  16. Up&comer

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    You also need to realize that we like different things in strings.

    Mikeler likes low powered and relatively soft.

    Pv likes having power and spin.

    I personally prefer to have low power and ample spin. I also like a stiffer feeling stringbed for the most part.
     
  17. Posture Guy

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    U&C...precisely why these reviews are so valuable. You, mikeler and pvaudio all have different tastes.

    Once we calibrate your tastes to ours, we can make adjustments and predictions on how we'll like a string setup based on your reviews. For example, you loved Classic/B5E so I tried it and really liked it, but had a nagging feeling it was just a bit underpowered for me. Based on that, decided to try the Classic/MSV Co-Focus option. You felt it was uncontrollable and too powerful, I figured with my slower swing speed it might be right in my sweet spot, and sure enough, it was.

    We can't just take what you guys say as direct input on how we'll like a string, we have to filter your reviews through the prism of your games and tastes.
     
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    I'd say I like low power and ample spin too. The softness is more a requirement due to injury but B5E/Thunder Blast is quite a bit stiffer than some of the soft multi setups I used to be stuck with using. It is still a relatively soft setup though.
     
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    What I was saying was that it was more of a priority for you rater than me, who doesn't mind a stiffer string setup.
     
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    I gotcha. Just wanted to state that I think we are both looking for the two same things out of a string (low power and spinny). Softness is a much lower priority than those 2 things at the moment.
     
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    Ruff code gets here Monday.

    I also recently tried my b5e/gut at 48/52, and it felt pretty darn awesome. It lost a little bit at net, but it played phenomenally from everywhere else.
     
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    Pacific Polygut

    Played with Pacific Polygut yesterday using an Aeroprodrive GT. The gut was in the mains at 56 and the poly at 53. (I think this was the tension but not a 100% sure).
    The feel was great for me. Great mix of power and control.
    My hitting partner was amazed on the shots I made and the string setup had a lot to do with it.
    I strongly recommend this setup.
     
  23. Up&comer

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    Ill do it with classic instead of tough gut.
     
  24. Boricua

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    I havent tried Classic but what I like about Tough Gut in this setup is that it is the gut not too soft or powerful and will not break that quickly ( I hope). Blends well with the Poly Force string also.
    Right now its my favorite setup.
     
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    I havent tried Classic but what I like about Tough Gut in this setup is that the gut is not too soft or powerful and will not break that quickly ( I hope). Blends well with the Poly Force string also.
    Right now its my favorite setup.

    (rewrote- got mixed up in prior statement)
     
  26. Posture Guy

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    question: if in demoing a full bed of Tough Gut I feel like it's a bit too powerful for my tastes, would Classic full bed be even more powerful?

    have only hit with the Tough Gut once, want to let it 'break in' a bit more before I make a final decision, but so far I'm hitting a lot of balls about 1-2' long that would be in with my hybrid setup.

    at least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
     
  27. Up&comer

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    Well, the classic crossed with co focus will be lower powered than either.

    In a full bed, I found tough gut to have the slightly more spin and lower power.
     
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    re the first point, I understand. Just wanted to see how these guts felt in a full bed before I committed to going the hybrid route. Knew they'd be more powerful, wasn't sure how much more powerful. The Tough Gut is moderately more powerful with less control than the hybrid. Figured Classic would be even more so.
     
  29. Posture Guy

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    one other question, U&C, you said on another thread your two favorite polys in a gut hybrid are B5E and Scorpion. I've read both your reviews on these hybrids but I'm not sure how they compare to each other in a gut hybrid setup. How would you say they differ? Is one more powerful than the other? Does one have more spin potential?
     
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    I haven't tested out scorpion mains with gut crosses yet, but in a gut main setup, b5e is lower powered and more spin friendly, whereas scorpion has a little more power and plays better at net.

    It's a tradeoff. B5e gives what a baseliner wants, low power and spin, whereas scorpion is more of an all court players setup. It gives you control, but lets you hit flat a little better and performs better at net.
     
  31. Posture Guy

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    thanks, much appreciated!
     
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    No problem.
     
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    Does that mean it's something you're planning to do? I'm currently testing both, with TB in the crosses. And so far Mikeler and your reviews have been spot on with this really economically great set up. And with scorpion cheaper in reel than B5E I want to see what you have to say
     
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    Why not? I'll do it Monday. Then I'll do the ruff code Tuesday.
     
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    Sweetness!
     
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    The spin of B5E would be hard for me to let go of versus what I read about Scorpion.
     
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    mikeler..have you tried Co-Focus? I find it has a bit more power than B5E (for me not a lot, but enough) and significantly more spin potential.
     
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    Not yet. More power is not good for my game.
     
  39. Uvijek Argen

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    Then you wont like the scorpion I think, cause it has double the power of B5E.

    Something I didnt like of scorpion is that you dont get to feel the ball how hard you are hitting. It just bounce and goes away without notice it. I like soft, but this was "no feeling soft". Anyhow, in my house nobody play with poly any longer (not even intellitour ..nothing than even in their description start with "poly") :)

    Mikeler, but if you still want to try them I do have 2 sets and half left of Scorpion 1.22(cut from reel), if you are interest it, I live in millennium mall area now, so I can sell you for cheap and I can drop it at OTC.
     
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    Thanks for the offer UA but I don't intend to stray from my beloved B5E.
     
  41. Up&comer

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    I don't blame you.
     
  42. Uvijek Argen

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    Its ok, Im just trying to get rid of this polys for once and for all.

    Amazing how different I am from you, U&C, pvaudio(the most common reviewers) in string taste. Most of the string that you guys like, I dont and vice versa. Bought that B5E right when it came out(hybrid with maxim touch, and saw the scissors same first day. (Hybrid of Big ace/maxim surpass it in playability, but the main die fast and fun was ovah..:()
    From WC only thing was Mosquito Bite(blue) and didnt took long for elbow to said "Enough".

    And lets not talk about soft low power string....like Dgoran said, "those are silent killers for the arm", and I agree.

    GUT GUT GUT. Only thing that will keep me playing competitive. :neutral:
     
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    Scorpion definitely doesn't have 'double the power' of B5E. No way. It could never be described as a high powered string. B5E is low powered for a poly. Scorpion medium powered. Something like BHBR17 (as opposed to BHBR16) high powered for a poly.

    I also don't agree with with you that Scorpion is "no feeling soft". Feel is pretty good for poly, in fact, it feels alot like a stiff synthetic gut. No poly gives a huge amount of feedback regarding how hard you're hitting compared to non-poly strings. The relative stiffness is too high for that. The ones that tend to you give you the most feedback in that regard are the ones that are the most elastic, such as BHBR. Feedback with Scorpion is 'okay' - you can feel some give in the strings but there is a point where you hit a wall in terms of the string's power production and the amount of 'give' you feel from the stringbed. With B5E, that lack of give comes much sooner, obviously because its a stiffer string. With Scorpion, it comes later, because you feel the 'give' beyond which you don't feel the stringbed bending anymore.

    The impression I get is that you're comparing alot of these strings with natural gut (or at least have natural gut in the back of your mind), the characteristics of which are very, very different.
     
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    No Torres, I'm not comparing anything with gut, if you read the BHBR thread that you type all the time, right in the first page I was one of the first one that use it, so I know about power. I know what I said when I'm feel something. What you need to understand its that everything about string is subjective. What you like I don't and the opposite. So you have to keep in mind every time you read somebody feedback.
    I don't have feel with scorpion( and some of the central florida chapter that played with me know that Im good on net and touch), so what to said? That I'm wrong?..no... Just take it as it is and that's all.:)

    Your impression in regard gut wasn't that accurate, Mikeler know that I got TE back again, so when I said "GUT GUT GUT" means, that's what I will play for now on.

    And to be honest, having a talk about plastic strings.......well.....I don't get too into. Usually I skip those topics when I read.
     
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    You really shouldn't get so defensive.

    If your comments aren't an accurate representation, they aren't an accurate representation. Not in a million years is Scorpion "double the power" of B5E for instance. Call it subjective all you want but that's just nonsense. As for "no feeling", I'll put that down to you either having arms made of metal (if you can't feel the ball on the strings) or insufficently precise language on your part.
     
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    Completely agree with this.
     
  47. Posture Guy

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    How would you guys compare Scorpion to MSV Co-Focus?
     
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    Its not defensive and sorry if you got it in that way. This will be my last post in regard this topic...ok?
    First BHBR we know its powerful..right? I had strung at 48 pounds,50, and 52. From 48-52 I didnt see a different in power, feel or feedback. String played the same for a few days until started to feel dead. Which is normal..right?

    From all the polyester I tried WC is the more sensitive in regard tension (by the way do you even ask at what tension I did it??). I strung Scorpion at 48. First day was like you said, mid tension, but second and third(I stop in the third day since I didnt like them any longer) it was totally different. Either I hit the hell out of them the first day and lost all the tension or something, but by second day I didnt even finish my swing and that ball was in my partners baseline. Thats what I consider "double the power". The string is soft, and dont feel the right impact like it does with Mosquito Bite @ same tension. In the net, same crap, I volley and that thing just lunch with no sense or where I suppose to put it.

    So you know how sensitive is WC my temporary beloved Mosquito Bite was perfect at 48 pounds from the get go. I have all the power and control I want, but then I decide to string it at 52, and was the worst string I ever use. So its the possibility before jumping to conclusion that Scorpion didn't work for me at 48 pounds. I didn't try it again at other tension, cause I was developing a twitch in the elbow back again by those times.

    You think that I agree with every poster in regard string that I have used? No. But I dont batch them telling them that is "nonsense" and such (cause its sound like you are bullying). To give you example U&C and Mikeler didnt found too much spin on Intellirour which I played from summer until now. I my case I found spin. More than Rip, but I dont tell them that they are wrong. I understand thats how they feel and play with the string. And thats the part that I try to illustrate you.
    Everybody is different....That's all

    But one thing I agree with you 100%....my english suck!! :)
     
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    You are dead wrong. Intellitour sucks. Just kidding buddy. :)
     
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    ^ players have different game styles....nuff said. ;)
     

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